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wkk5159 posted on 5-4-2013 08:02 PM 
A true faith in my opinion should fullfill these criterias;
1. The doctrines and teachings of t ...
Truth.8:
A true faith in my opinion should fullfill these criterias;
1. The doctrines and teachings of this faith must be able to provide eternal salvation to the mortal soul and they would truly reflect the image of God just as God created them in the garden of Eden according to His image.
2. It shouldn't contradict with the very fundamental value of human right.
3. There shouldn't be any taboo in consuming any food as it is unscientific.
4. Its effect on humanity as a whole must be positive.
5. The over all personalities, qualities and characters of the followers which associate with that particular faith.
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mashimaru83 posted on 8-4-2013 08:13 AM
How can we arrive to these criterias? Should other people use the criteria that you provided or ...
These are just some of my personal takes on the Bible based on my understanding. I just extracted some which i think are the crucial one which conform to the Bibile.
Criterias from God ???? It is still very subjective depending on whom you are worshipping.....criterias from Jehovah definitely differs from Allah.
Likewise, the atheist like Buddhist will be refering to Enlightenment from Buddha as their criterias in judging the faiths.
Now, mind telling me what's your ideal faith is like ????
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Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less productive. religion makes peoples emotion. Religion makes fight among themselves and list goes on...
Jesus promote love and peace
Gautam bring positive moral teaching.
Moses bring law of God commandment
Mohammad??? u judge urself
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 12:49 PM
Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less p ...
Well said........
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wkk5159 posted on 8-4-2013 03:37 PM
Well said........
last but not least....Religion makes disaster to human kinds...
The way of life is the best choice to all humans : Belived in Supreme , Bible and Jesus our saviour...
Amen
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wkk5159 posted on 8-4-2013 09:22 AM
These are just some of my personal takes on the Bible based on my understanding. I just extracted ... wkk5159:
These are just some of my personal takes on the Bible based on my understanding. I just extracted some which i think are the crucial one which conform to the Bibile.
If I understand correctly, you extracted the criterias from the Bible and the extracted criterias are conforming to the Bible. Apologize if I misunderstood your statement but it seems that doesn't prove anything. I was hoping to see your actual research and study on all of the books i.e. Why other books are not considered as the words of God? and also per your statement, why the criterias have to come from the Bible but not the other books?
wkk5159:
Criterias from God ???? It is still very subjective depending on whom you are worshipping.....criterias from Jehovah definitely differs from Allah.
Likewise, the atheist like Buddhist will be refering to Enlightenment from Buddha as their criterias in judging the faiths.
Now, mind telling me what's your ideal faith is like ????
Well, what I meant was like this, for example: if Al-Quran is the words of God, then Al-Quran itself should provide the criteria to prove that it is the words of God. See @gunblade712 post http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum. ... 879&fromuid=1873387. Al-Quran explicitly gives the criteria to prove that it is the words of God. Can you provide explicit criterias from the Bible (chapter and verse)?
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 12:49 PM
Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less p ...
Truth.8:
Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less productive. religion makes peoples emotion. Religion makes fight among themselves and list goes on...
1 Thessalonians 5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (http://www.biblegateway.com/pass ... +5%3A21&version=KJV).
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mashimaru83 posted on 8-4-2013 10:11 PM
I would like to know how did you come to the conclusion that religion makes people fight among t ...
At least 50 dead in Pakistan mosque suicide attack.
How you explain that? Besides, so called buddihst attacked muslims....
Gautam teaching never endorsed killing souls....
did not it sound religion???does Gautam promote religion???
google...religion fight amoung themselves
why religion fight ? differences view, different sects and etc....
If one observed the way of life, there will be peace...
Since the death of Muhammad, Muslims have been fighting among themselves. the "Saints" of early Islam (i.e Muhammad's friends and family) were killed by muslims, and sometimes these "Saints" killed other "Saints".
So your question is not a new question, even muslims ask themselves such questions...
But muslims will always try to show the world the "injustice" Israel inflicts upon them... to gain sympathy.
go here: http://www.israelforum.com/board ... ims-hate-each-other
by the way, peoples who have faith the way of life peceaful peoples
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 12:49 PM
Religion makes world upside down. religion makes peoples mental block. religion makes peoples less p ...
Muhammad s.a.w. teaches and improves what Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all) have preached.
Do you want to continue the discussion on this issue? Coz the last time I check, you left ALL of your discussion unanswered. lepas tu kau claim kau dah jawab.
misquote Bible pun, kau senyap. minta maaf pun tak.
manusia apa kau ni? Kitab sendiri pun kau boleh misquote. 
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 08:58 PM
last but not least....Religion makes disaster to human kinds...
you failed to prove to us that Jesus taught the 'way of life'. You even misquoted the Bible in order to prove this idea of yours.
And we can say the same for Muhammad s.a.w... Bear in mind, that a follower of Jesus killed and butchered and did an 'ethnic cleansing' across Europe. |
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 10:48 PM
At least 50 dead in Pakistan mosque suicide attack.
you take source from an Israeli's site to attack Islam?
Why didn't you take sources from authenticated Islamic teachings?
Muhammad s.a.w. taught us to defend ourselves. We are allowed to defend our soul, our land, and our religion from being oppressed. THAT is how perfect Islam is, we are even taught HOW TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
And you know what's best?
The Quran teaches us that if the enemy that oppresses us surrender, we are to escort him to safety. You know what this means, Truth.8? This means that in the midst of war, if the enemy surrender, we are obligated not only to spare them, but to escort them to safety, to make sure that the enemy (that have surrendered) are safe from harm.
THAT is how perfect Islam is.
What about your way of life? Does your way of life teaches you how to defend yourself? Does your way of life gave you guidelines should you are being oppressed? You know what the Bible told you to do?
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. Matthew 5:38-40
THAT was what your Bible tells you to do. If a person slaps you, gave him your other cheeks! Tell me, Truth.8 if a person slaps you, will you turn the other cheek? Is this acceptable in your 'great mind'?
This shows how Islam perfected the teachings of Abrahamaic faith :
1. "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". - You should take back what is yours, and exact your revenge. I was informed (not confirmed) that this was the teachings from the Old Testament. an eye for an eye...
and then came the teachings from the Bible/New Testament :
2. "‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well." - This verse tells you that instead of exacting your revenge, you should give the oppressors what they want PLUS gave them a little bit extra more! You are not to exact your revenge here. You know what this means, dear Truth.8? If a person robs you, you should give him your back accounts as well!
and then came the Quran, to perfected both of the above mentioned teaching (and to rule out distortions done by human hands) :
3. If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient. (Quran, An-Nahl; 126).
So before you jump into the argument and point fingers, please get your facts right.
btw, can you show me, in your teachings of 'Way of Life', what should you do if a person oppresses you? Any means of defending yourself? Does your 'way of life' shows that you are allowed to defend yourself? If yes, please show it to me and explain please. If no, then your 'way of life' is incomplete. Last edited by gunblade712 on 9-4-2013 03:09 AM
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gunblade712 posted on 9-4-2013 02:34 AM
you failed to prove to us that Jesus taught the 'way of life'. You even misquoted the Bible in ord ...
If we seee the reality of the world, Bible reading peoples are most peace loving. if you were watch news...bomb here and there, mosque bomb, berani mati ...dan all ..this comes from " Ye shall know them by their fruits. ....Matthew 7:16
now....religion will makes the world upside down...that is fact which we see the reality of the world...
peace living peopels the way life always remaind calm and relax
the so called religion of peace always end in religion of pisss
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gunblade712 posted on 9-4-2013 03:08 AM
you take source from an Israeli's site to attack Islam?
Why didn't you take sources from authe ...
u can write all bla bla bla of yours...the reality of world islam do not bring peace...
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 10:48 PM
At least 50 dead in Pakistan mosque suicide attack.
there too many looholes in faith of islam and his followers...why not muslims correct their path first rather than condem Bible??
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mashimaru83 posted on 8-4-2013 10:11 PM
I would like to know how did you come to the conclusion that religion makes people fight among t ...
Don't come back with your common demand: show me proof. You know what I'm talking about. And if you want proof: Google yourself........!
or perhas you go here
Why do Muslims hate each other ?
Paul uses in writing to the Colossians (Col. 3:4), for Christianity is not "religion," but the life of Jesus Christ expressed in receptive humanity.
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gunblade712 posted on 9-4-2013 03:08 AM 2. "‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
my eye both left and right ok
my tooh..only the back part missing
why ask ? is that how islam shape you to think??
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gunblade712 posted on 9-4-2013 02:32 AM
Muhammad s.a.w. teaches and improves what Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all) have ...
Islam will forever cause conflicts between muslims themselves and between muslims and non-muslims because:
1) Islam is a political religion. A way of life.
source :http://www.israelforum.com/board ... ims-hate-each-other
one example in malaysia...pas with political agenda and umno with their own agenda = political religion ...a way of life???
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Truth.8 posted on 8-4-2013 10:48 PM
At least 50 dead in Pakistan mosque suicide attack.
Truth.8:
How you explain that? Besides, so called buddihst attacked muslims....
Gautam teaching never endorsed killing souls....
did not it sound religion???does Gautam promote religion???
google...religion fight amoung themselves
why religion fight ? differences view, different sects and etc....
If one observed the way of life, there will be peace...
Since the death of Muhammad, Muslims have been fighting among themselves. the "Saints" of early Islam (i.e Muhammad's friends and family) were killed by muslims, and sometimes these "Saints" killed other "Saints".
So your question is not a new question, even muslims ask themselves such questions...
But muslims will always try to show the world the "injustice" Israel inflicts upon them... to gain sympathy.
go here: http://www.israelforum.com/board ... ims-hate-each-other
by the way, peoples who have faith the way of life peceaful peoples
You missed my point completely. There are people with no religion who are also fighting among themselves. And there are religious people who don't fight among themselves. But you chose to ignore this. What you are doing here is nothing more than cherry-pick activity. Pick an example that works for you. I suggest that you come with a complete evident for your statement and not just simply go and pick any example that works for you and dismiss any example that is against your statement.
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mashimaru83 posted on 9-4-2013 09:40 AM
You missed my point completely. There are people with no religion who are also fighting among ... You missed my point completely. There are people with no religion who are also fighting among themselves. And there are religious people who don't fight among themselves. But you chose to ignore this. What you are doing here is nothing more than cherry-pick activity. Pick an example that works for you. I suggest that you come with a complete evident for your statement and not just simply go and pick any example that works for you and dismiss any example that is against your statement.
show me proof.....
your religion always on war and fight...i m not making up stories...open tv...sunni bomb mosque...shia killed leader of mosque...muslims kill infidel...
yet, when come to haj..you muslims put great show try to potray that "we muslims' are one and peaceful and growing...
the fact, it other way around....just look at your muslims..how could peace loving peoples can destory mosque a place of worshipped? ....mind telling me??
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