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[MERGED]--Room inside Kaba is a forbidden.Why? - Pict page 43
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kalo SULALATUS SALATIN boley la ko kata STORY TELLER
tp TAMADUN ISLAM ape kes lak ko kata story teller?????
nampak sgt ko lihat kebenaran tp ko msh nak lemas dlm kebodohan
kesian aku kat ko
baik ko tukor namo ko Truth to Liar  |
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Balas #1512 sexyzangel\ catat
kami dah lama kesian kat dia.. kalau kau rajin, cuba kau selak thread2 dulu..
dia siap bagi arahan kat Tuhan, suruh jatuhkan malapetaka kat aku, dalam 3 hari aku akan ditimpa bencana...
and that was 1 year ago, I'm still fine, alhamdulillah.. 
not to mention, dia bagi arahan kat Tuhan, eh, bukan arahan je, tapi siap DEADLINE, untuk menghancurkan bangunan suci (yang sebenarnya dia refer kat Ka'abah) dalam masa satu tahun, dan dia akan join balik forum nih selepas Tuhan ikut arahan deadline dia...
dan nampak gayanya truth.8 dah melanggar sumpah dia dengan Tuhan.. I hope he can live with that lie.. |
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Reply #1511 gunblade712's post
oopppsssss sorii 
org tak sengaja......................
tak maksud pun nak kata camtuh kat awk |
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Balas #1514 sexyzangel\ catat
hahahah.. it's ok.. just kidding.. 
lagipon, cerita tuh bukan aje boleh dibelajar kat tingkatan 6, betul?
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Balas #1519 sexyzangel\ catat
yup.. dia bagi Tuhan satu tahun untuk menghancurkan satu 'bangunan' (which we all know he's refering to the Ka'abah)..
and also, bagi Tuhan deadline 3 hari untuk menjatuhkan satu bala kat aku..
whoever he prays to, I think that particular being didn't know how to count the days. |
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Originally posted by gunblade712 at 18-11-2008 05:03 PM 
which pagan faith starts this 'holy water' concept, judging from your statement above..?
and if the Bible didn't claim any kind of 'holy water', can I deemed that those holy waters used in ...
As far as the Bible concern there is no such thing Holy Water but Holy Spirit.
Bible mentionedbaptized in water in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Where does itclaim holy water? Any water, either tap or what ever all are consider fromcreation from God. If I baptized someone with water with the name of Father,Son and Holy Spirit, does the water consider power or Holy?
The misconception on holy water all comes pagan faith. Which pagan faith? It all comes from Babylon times
Muhammad took all this believed and copy to blend this kindof story to sell like hot cakes and you peoples buy such crap. There no such thing zam2 water is holy or ganges water is holy. I have drank ganges water directly from ganatori frm himalaya, yes it taste good with aroma. does it mean it holy? NO, because the water comes directly from above himalaya which undistrub by human and free from polulation.
My faith /or Church did not endorsed water as holy or haspower. If I take water from tap and read some holy bible
verses it consider holy ?
Question: "What does the Bible say about holy water?"
Answer: The Bible is silent about holy water the way it is used today. For baptism, Matthew 3:11speaks of "baptizing with water for repentance," with nothing in thecontext suggesting that the water itself is holy. Baptism is a symbolicritual, identifying yourself with Christ's death, burial, andresurrection. A closer parallel to the modern use of holy water wouldbe God's laws in the Old Testament, which require cleaning rituallyunclean things with water to purify them before you can touch them (seeLeviticus 15, 16, and 17:15). See also a specific reference to rituallyunclean people found at Numbers 19:17.
Holy water is now permanently retained at the entrance of Catholicchurches, blessed at the first of each lunar month, and sprinkled overpatrons as they enter. This practice was created to supplant the pagan celebration of the New Moon, according to canon 65 of the Council ofConstantinople (691). According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the earliest modern uses of holy water appear in the ninth century. That,coupled with the New Testament's silence regarding the practice and useof holy water, it can be concluded that the tradition of holy water wascreated for the sole purpose of putting a pagan ceremony out ofcommission, using a few scant biblical references to water for purification.
Any practice that makes us feel closer to God and furthers our walkwith Him should be encouraged (cf. Romans 14, esp. v23). But alsoconsider 1 Corinthians 6:12.If a practice is beneficial to a relationship with God, keep it;otherwise, throw it away. This is all the more true when said practicehas little biblical foundation. The Bible nowhere instructs Christians to use "holy water" in any way, shape, or form. The Catholic practiceof holy water is not biblical.
THINK
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Reply #1520 gunblade712's post
 patut ka....??? 
atau pun Tuhan tuh tahu menilai org yg dia doakan
patut ditimpa bala atau tak....
siot banget dehhhh |
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Reply #1521 Truth.8's post
DO WE DISCUSS ABOUT HOLY WATER in CHRISTIAN BELIEVE???
owhhhh darling
are you out of ur aspirin?????
if ZAM-ZAM (became another issue)
then how does it HURT UR FEELING IN UR FAITH???
we not bother about U and in any cases ur were pointing that Muslim is terrorist
then look at urself now
U BECAME A TERRORIST with our ur knowing
so..........
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anyway...................
no matter how much ur pouring UR THEORY
it doesnt concern me
bcz ur just wanted pple to recognized U
but if its true as i mentioned
then IT A WRONG PATH DEAR!
IT WONT CHANGE MY BELIEVE
if we believe ZAM-ZAM is HOLY WATER ----> then it stay that way!
if Ka'abah is holy symbol in Unity of Islam ----> then it stay that way!
U & UR FACT wont change anythg cz u cant elaborate AL QURAN not even a WORD!  |
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Reply #1526 Truth.8's post
THINK! 
so HOW DID UR RELIGION SHAPING & TONING UR BRAIN THEN????
[ Last edited by sexyzangel at 18-11-2008 07:49 PM ] |
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Originally posted by gunblade712 at 18-11-2008 05:03 PM 
which pagan faith starts this 'holy water' concept, judging from your statement above..?
and if the Bible didn't claim any kind of 'holy water', can I deemed that those holy waters used in ...
As far as the Bible concern there is no such thing Holy Water but Holy Spirit.
Biblementionedbaptized in water in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.Where does itclaim holy water? Any water, either tap or what ever allare consider fromcreation from God. If I baptized someone with waterwith the name of Father,Son and Holy Spirit, does the water considerpower or Holy?
The misconception on holy water all comes pagan faith. Which pagan faith? It all comes from Babylon times
Muhammadtook all this believed and copy to blend this kindof story to sell likehot cakes and you peoples buy such crap. There no such thing zam2water is holy or ganges water is holy. I have drank ganges waterdirectly from ganatori frm himalaya, yes it taste good with aroma. doesit mean it holy? NO, because the water comes directly from abovehimalaya which undistrub by human and free from polulation.
My faith /or Church did not endorsed water as holy or haspower. If I take water from tap and read some holy bible
verses it consider holy ?
Question: "What does the Bible say about holy water?"
Answer: The Bible is silent about holy water the way it is used today. For baptism, Matthew 3:11speaksof "baptizing with water for repentance," with nothing in thecontextsuggesting that the water itself is holy. Baptism is a symbolicritual,identifying yourself with Christ's death, burial, andresurrection. Acloser parallel to the modern use of holy water wouldbe God's laws inthe Old Testament, which require cleaning rituallyunclean things withwater to purify them before you can touch them (seeLeviticus 15, 16,and 17:15). See also a specific reference to rituallyunclean peoplefound at Numbers 19:17.
Holywater is now permanently retained at the entrance of Catholicchurches,blessed at the first of each lunar month, and sprinkled overpatrons asthey enter. This practice was created to supplant the pagan celebrationof the New Moon, according to canon 65 of the Council ofConstantinople(691). According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the earliest modern usesof holy water appear in the ninth century. That,coupled with the NewTestament's silence regarding the practice and useof holy water, it canbe concluded that the tradition of holy water wascreated for the solepurpose of putting a pagan ceremony out ofcommission, using a few scantbiblical references to water for purification.
Any practice that makes us feel closer to God and furthers our walkwith Him should be encouraged (cf. Romans 14, esp. v23). But alsoconsider 1 Corinthians 6:12.Ifa practice is beneficial to a relationship with God, keep it;otherwise,throw it away. This is all the more true when said practicehas littlebiblical foundation. The Bible nowhere instructs Christians to use"holy water" in any way, shape, or form. The Catholic practiceof holywater is not biblical.
THINK |
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oppssss luper lakkk
I NAK SOLAT ISYAK DULU YE!
karang2 kiter sambung balik k dear
well... u know lah kan
kita org solat 5 kali sehari
tu la pasal u tak penting sangat
so blh tangguh2 cakap ngan U |
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The Bible nowhere instructs Christians to use"holy water" in any way, shape, or form. The Catholic practiceof holywater is not biblical.-Truth8
Dear Truth8,
You have,in your own words,contradicted your own religion.LET ME SHOW YOU HOW AND WHEN YOU HAVE CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN STATEMENT
We accept your statement that the practice of holy water is not biblical-----fine, we noted and we understand. In fact, I've done some investigation regarding this matter and it is correct that the practice of holy water is not from biblical.
But why oh why....nowadays, Christians use holy water for baptism if according to Catholic Encyclopedia itself that holy water is not biblical practice?
Excerpt from the statement in Catholic Encyclopedia regarding holy water:
"The use of holy water in the earliest days of the Christian Era is attested by documents of only comparatively late date. The "Apostolic Constitutions", the redaction of which goes back to about the year 400, attribute to the Apostle St. Matthew the precept of using holy water. "
And why oh why...in New International Version Bible[Please note "New International Version and use your brain to think], there is one statement:
5:17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.
Matthew[3:11]"I baptize you with[a] water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
And why oh why....in New King James Version Bible[widely used]....below:
5:17 The priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water.
Have you grasped my point yet?
Have you??????
Christians have claimed that bible nowadays is from the original version i.e Jesus[recorded by Matthew,Luke,John and Barnabas]....
Right?
But the statements made by Catholic Encyclopedia and YOU(TRUTH8) have CONTRADICTED THE STATEMENT IN THE BIBLE ITSELF!
The best part is....THE NEW VERSION{Yes, you have read it correctly "New Version"} OF INTERNATIONAL BIBLE AND THE NEW VERSION{Yes, you have read it correctly "New Version} OF KING JAMES DUTILY INCLUDED THE APOSTLE ST. MATTHEW teaching of using HOLY WATER[400 after century] in the new version.Whereas Jesus[7 to 2 before century until 26 to 36 after century].
Do the maths.....400 minus 36=364 years after Jesus!!!!!!!
What does this apply for???????
EASY!
The authentical/originality of the bible is being questioned----->by the changing and amendment made by Christians themselves!!!!!!!
and mind you....this is ONLY an issue regarding HOLY WATER!
What about other doctrines or concept?
Can we be sure that bible is the absolute true when the bibles among the bibles and among Christian sects bibles are different!!!!!
and I have shown to you the contradiction regarding the holy water only.
and how about trinity concept/doctrine? does that doctrine really from the original bible or when Constantine of Constantinople reigned Rome and introduced this totally new concept in 300[after century] just to justify his own belief and meddle with the not-so-origin bible and insert this new concept?
Go and do your research.
and like you say:
quoted from powerful quotation by Sephiroth:
Tuhan bagi akal untuk berfikir, tetapi ada ajaran yang tidak mahu penganutnya berfikir
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Originally posted by sixret at 18-11-2008 11:35 PM 
Dear Truth8,
You have,in your own words,contradicted your own religion.LET ME SHOW YOU HOW AND WHEN YOU HAVE CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN STATEMENT
We accept your statement that ...
Thats is RC faith and their Bible
I am not their faith
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Post time 18-11-2008 05:50 PM
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