[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Fuzzman

To Debmey: What is your answer?

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

To Debmey:-
1. Where are the Medinian sources for Aishah's age over the Iraqi ones?
2. Where are the Sunni transmittings to compare the present Shia hadiths on the age issue?
3. Why isn't Jubair ibn Mut'am being mentioned in all Hadiths when he was the very first suitor?
4.  Why did the prophet of Islam, the mastermind of Islamic expansion say BIKR and not JARIYAH when speaking of Aishah?

Any answers to nail home the paedo charge?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Here's what the hadiths said abt Moohamed.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Originally posted by Debmey at 1-1-2007 11:18 PM


Here's what the hadiths said abt Moohamed.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he ...

Repeating like a parrot, u dont have guts to reply Fuzzman's questions. You are just spamming the whole thread with the same thing. U r a rotten parrot. Get a life.

Fuzzman

To Debmey:-
Thanks for the "same old same old" that you haven't grown out of. Do something new and fresh willya. How about doing me the four issues below. Show me the money Debmey. Show me that you can really really really nail the paedo charge. Claymore me answers aight?
1. Where are the Medinian sources for Aishah's age over the Iraqi ones?
2. Where are the Sunni transmittings to compare the present Shia hadiths on the age issue?
3. Why isn't Jubair ibn Mut'am being mentioned in all Hadiths when he was the very first suitor?
4.  Why did the prophet of Islam, the mastermind of Islamic expansion say BIKR and not JARIYAH when speaking of Aishah?

Any answers to nail home the paedo charge?

ARI FUZZMAN

Nick_Perelman

When 60 years Mohd made sex with 9 years old Aisha it was act of pedophelia. Pedophile - one who commits act of pedophelia.

Debmey

The hadiths clearly showed that Muhamad married Aisha when she was only 6 and had sex with her when she was a 9 year old.

Isn't the hadiths a reliable source for Sunni muslims? Its al Bukhari mind you.
How can you deny the authenticity of hadith al bukhari?

i212

Originally posted by Debmey at 3-1-2007 10:55 AM
The hadiths clearly showed that Muhamad married Aisha when she was only 6 and had sex with her when she was a 9 year old.

Isn't the hadiths a reliable source for Sunni muslims? Its al Bukhari m ...

Did He(Prophet Muhammad) force her to marry with him?
Did Aisha say that she not happy?
Did Aisha forced to marry?
How the tradition on that time?

Debmey

Did Aisha have a choice as a 6 year old?
I'm sure she would rather be playin toys than to have sex with Mo.

Muhamad is still a paedophile for having sex with a 9 year old.

i212

Originally posted by Debmey at 3-1-2007 04:12 PM
Did Aisha have a choice as a 6 year old?
I'm sure she would rather be playin toys than to have sex with Mo.

Muhamad is still a paedophile for having sex with a 9 year old.

Can you read others mind. ?

try to answer my question.

Did He(Prophet Muhammad) force her to marry with him?
Did Aisha say that she not happy?
Did Aisha forced to marry?
How the tradition on that time?


If she dont have any option on that age,
Did she have any testimonial that say she being force?
Did she have any testimonial that say she not happy?

Debmey

She did complained. She complaine that she didn't know what happened during the consumation and she was still playing with a doll.
Not only that, she became barren. what a beast Muhamad was.

barney50

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son抯 wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old. But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.

Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.
In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' "
Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being 揷arried

Fuzzman

To Barney:-
Tell me something that I don't already know. Pepperoni pizzas hommie, if you insist on being a parrot like Debmey, guess you better hightail out of here like pronto!

To Debmey:-
So where's my answers for these questions put to you?
1. Where are the Medinian sources for Aishah's age over the Iraqi ones?
2. Where are the Sunni transmittings to compare the present Shia hadiths on the age issue?
3. Why isn't Jubair ibn Mut'am being mentioned in all Hadiths when he was the very first suitor?
4.  Why did the prophet of Islam, the mastermind of Islamic expansion say BIKR and not JARIYAH when speaking of Aishah?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

No Fuzzy, you answer first to what the hadiths are saying. Tell us what do they mean when they say that Aisha was 6 when Mo married her and what they mean when it says that Mo consumated the marriage when she was only 9 years old.

We don't speculate like you are doing.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 15-1-2007 08:34 AM:
No Fuzzy, you answer first to what the hadiths are saying. Tell us what do they mean when they say that Aisha was 6 when Mo married her and what they mean when it says that Mo consumated the marriage when she was only 9 years old. We don't speculate like you are doing.

You would have ended the "speculaton" a very very long time ago if only you had addressed the issue of Aishah's first choice of a husband named Jubair ibn Mut'am. You chose to ignore Jubair, The hadiths never gave mention or prominence of place to Jubair? That is wht you cannot go anywhere with the age probelm of Aishah. You want end the MOTHER OF ALL SPECULATIONS?  Let's discuss Jubair ibn Mut'am like professional debaters : I know I'm one, are you?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Aha! You choose to ignore the hadiths which clearly says that aisha was only 9 years old when mo had sex with her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Once a rotten parrot, always a rotten repeating parrot :lol

Fuzzman

Don't know about you  but I hear SilentKiller loud and clear. You'd better take note of SK's envelope. So are we gonna debate about Jubair or not?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

no need to cos the hadiths and other biographies clear say that mo had sex with aisha when she was only 9 nyears old.
You need to answer  to these hadiths which you r suppose to beleive in as a sunni.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 18-1-2007 10:51 AM
no need to cos the hadiths and other biographies clear say that mo had sex with aisha when she was only 9 nyears old.
You need to answer  to these hadiths which you r suppose to beleive in as a sunni.

NO NEED? NO NEED?? That's news from a person like you who so openly professes a life free from prejudices and lies? A person who professes a crusade to bring forth the truth to Christian epiphanies and death to Islam and Moslems. Know what dude? Your bring hypocrisy to a new level dawg! Yeah you heard me right the first time!

First of all true Islam is NOT about being a Sunni or Shia. It's about being focal to Quran and nothing else. In the pre-Armageddon armies of Islam to come, Quran WILL BE the driving force. THE motivation that drowns out secterian divides. You mark my word on this bubba.

The reason that Aishah's age is in disregard is the fact that sectarian inequalities has let the age debacle to this issue. Then there is the issue of female prominence in society not given true mention as women back then were NOT supposed to be role players nor meddle meddle in politics of men. There have been many evidences from Islamic literature that speaks of different ages for the marriage to the prophet of Islam. The truth of the matter lies in the overwhelming possibility that Aishah was betrothed and not married to the Prophet Mohammad at the age of nine. I will only elaborate more if only you'll be willing to talk on the subject of Jubayr ibn Mut'im. So what's your answer gonna be?

ARI FUZZMAN