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adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
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mashimaru83 posted on 22-9-2014 09:19 AM 
There are suicide cases in Malaysia and we don't call them as suicide bombers, period.
Oi, you want to call them WHAT EVER YOUR WANT, that is YOUR BUSINESS.
Bottomline is - Suicide means ANY ACTION which the person takes to end his own life. Regardless of what intention or reason he has. It doesn't matter if he is sick and want to kill himself. It doesn't matter if he is depressed and want to kill himself. It doesn't matter if he think some Arabic god going to give him 72 prostitutes if he kills himself. SUICIDE MEANS SUICIDE. Full Stop. 
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Sephiroth posted on 22-9-2014 08:49 AM
by Sam1528
I'm not dimwit. You (Muslims) are just too egoistic to admit that Muslims are dying like dogs for NOTHING. There will be NO heaven for your jihadists, ONLY HELL AWAITS THEM. 
Actually you are a dimwit. You don't even know the difference between 'suicide bomber' and suicide.
Well , the scholars have already stated that 'suicide bombing' involving killing of innocents is haram. However you are too dimwitted to know. That is why you are frothing in your mouth and barking needlessly
Because I am fed up with Islam $hit and its Arabic dogs.
Being fed up and arguing intelligently are 2 different things. Your argument lack any intelligence and evidence. Too bad for you
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Source : https://my.news.yahoo.com/malays ... urce-230002605.html
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) forces have mastered social media as their main recruitment tool, enlisting fighters from around the world, including some 40 Malaysians, a local intelligence source said. A senior Malaysian intelligence official told The Malaysian Insider that social media is the militant group's main channel to recruit Malaysians, “unlike the early 2000s where a lot of recruitment was done through religious schools”.
Many of the 40-odd Malaysians currently fighting alongside Isis forces in the Middle East had been influenced to take up the struggle via social media, the official said, adding that the method could spur others to also join the cause. Malaysia has arrested 19 militants linked to Isis and is searching for at least five more, officials have said.
One blog that recently got attention was that of an Islamic State member called "Shams", who claimed to be a 26-year-old woman doctor from Malaysia, who is in Syria using her medical skills to help fighters and who married an Isis fighter. The intelligence official said that recruitment via social media was a milestone in the evolving world of terrorism.
"Aspiring jihadists do not have to leave home to become radicalised or participate in deadly terrorist attacks,” the official added.
"They can become radicalised in small steps without ever having to make the big leap overseas and risk being discovered by intelligence agencies.
"By logging onto Internet forums of unregulated and unrestricted speech, want-to-be jihadists can personally brand themselves as terrorists." Such people could create a virtual terror cell to share and spread ideological beliefs, raise funds, justify and create motives for violence.
Does this kind of people (who supports terrorism anywhere) actually benefitting this Country in the long term? NO, their actions should be banded as actions of traitors. This is because International Community will look at their actions, see them as Malaysians and then labelled the country and many of its good people as terrorist-supporting group. It benefits no one in long run. Malaysians will be looked at like "pariahs" whereever we go just because of this small group of pigs daydreaming of prositutes in heaven.
FYI When Tamil people fought Sri Lankan monsters and atheists pretending to be Buddhists in Sri Lanka, they did not ask for supports from India or Malaysian tamilans, even so we could have given support freely if they did (Tamil Nadu Tamilans may not have backbone or those two things hanging between their legs but Tamilans here could assisted if they asked). IF Chinese Buddhists fighting Atheist government in China (from 1950s) or during 1997 riot in Indonesia where hundreds of Chinese were killed, Chinese here could give assistance as well.
So why is it ISIS needs help from outside to fight its own politicial (disguise as religious) war? ISIS - Go and fight your own pathetic battle.
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by Sam1528
the scholars have already stated that 'suicide bombing' involving killing of innocents is haram.
Which scholar? Where did they say it is haram? SHOW THEN TALK. |
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Source : http://zeenews.india.com/news/wo ... olence_1473777.html
Albania: Pope Francis warned during a visit to Albania on Sunday that religion can never be used to justify violence, making apparent reference to the bloodshed wreaked by Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria.
In a speech to chiefs of Albania`s religious communities -- including Muslim, Orthodox Bektashi, Jewish and Protestant leaders -- Francis took aim at extremists he accused of perverting religion for their own ends.
"No one must use the name of God to commit violence," the spiritual leader of the world`s 1.2 billion Catholics said at the Catholic University. "To kill in the name of God is a grave sacrilege. To discriminate in the name of God is inhuman."
"Let no one consider themselves to be the `armour` of God while planning and carrying out acts of violence and oppression," the pontiff told officials at the presidential palace in Tirana.
Even the Vatican Pope took a stand using religion as excuse to commit violence. It was brave of Pop to speak out against extremists like that. 
But where is Sam1528 and his claim that Islamic scholars have state it was haram? WHERE? WHO IS SCHOLAR? |
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Sephiroth posted on 22-9-2014 10:30 AM
Oi, you want to call them WHAT EVER YOUR WANT, that is YOUR BUSINESS.
Bottomline is - Suicide m ...
Regardless of what you said, bottom line is there are differences between 'suicide' and 'suicide bomber' and that is a fact.
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mashimaru83 posted on 22-9-2014 12:06 PM
Regardless of what you said, bottom line is there are differences between 'suicide' and 'suicide b ...
Jangan cakap banyak. Mana dia scholars Islam yg kamu katakan itu? Dalam longkang? Dalam tandas? Antara kangkang mana2 pelacur?
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Sephiroth posted on 22-9-2014 10:46 AM
by Sam1528
Which scholar? Where did they say it is haram? SHOW THEN TALK.
This is again evidence that you are dim witted. You only believe what you want to believe
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen
Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?
Answer: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam).
Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-QadriDr Qadri's fatwa condemns all aggressive violence, including that erroneously dressed up as what some jihadists call "offensive jihad". The fatwa's condemnation of this, of terrorism and of suicide bombing is unequivocal
Simple google search gives you such.
Told you that you are dim witted ....
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by Sam1528
http://www.islamagainstextremism ... cide-operations.cfm
"Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever" [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)].
This is what I have been the definition I have given of suicide - any action which done by the doer with intention of harming himself. You keep saying I don't know the difference for what. Lu bodoh kah or don't know your own idiotic religion??? 
Simple google search gives you such.
Islam is YOUR religion, not mine. I don't have to do crap. |
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LOL , that is why I stated you are a dimwit who only believe in what you want to believe. Oops you are a cluless dimwit.
I repost the quote :
Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?
Answer: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam).
To make things clearar fro you , the second quote :
Dr Qadri's fatwa condemns all aggressive violence, including that erroneously dressed up as what some jihadists call "offensive jihad". The fatwa's condemnation of this, of terrorism and of suicide bombing is unequivocal
If you have problems understanding engish , go back to school. We are talking about suicide terrorism not suicide.
The point here is to address suicide terrorism , which has been confirmed to be haram. You have been barking that there is no legal opinion on this matter and you have again been proven wrong. You now change topics to definition of suicide. Dey meenachi , there is a difference between 'suicide bombing' and suicide.
Islam is YOUR religion, not mine. I don't have to do crap.
In other words , you admit being a dimwit and you are incapable to do a simple google search.
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mashimaru83 posted on 22-9-2014 12:06 PM
Regardless of what you said, bottom line is there are differences between 'suicide' and 'suicide b ...
in end of the day...it humans revenge against others...for greed, power , so called to protect religion and etc...which not part of God commandments...
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by Sam1528
LOL , that is why I stated you are a dimwit who only believe in what you want to believe.
Oi dumba$$ - the definition I gave is what your Islamic scholar also had given. This proves that I know what I was talking about when I have defined suicide. You are the dimwit for not knowing your own religion. 
Did you read this or not :
Answer: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam).
By definition of your own religion, those who commit suicide WILL GO TO HELL. Full stop.
You talk so much for what? |
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Truth.8 posted on 22-9-2014 06:54 PM
in end of the day...it humans revenge against others...for greed, power , so called to protect rel ...
Indeed. In Islam, God's commandments reside within the Al-Quran itself. But unfortunately some people like to blame Islam based on the action of some people who clearly going against Islamic teachings. As much as you find bad Muslims, you will also find bad Christians, bad Hindus, bad Atheists, etc. So, I don't see the rational of blaming a religion based on its followers actions when the actions themselves are not part of the teachings.
In regards to the first post, like bro Sam pointed out, there is nothing wrong for Muslims to fight the wrong doers and die in the process.
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Sephiroth posted on 22-9-2014 09:45 PM
by Sam1528
Oi dumba$$ - the definition I gave is what your Islamic scholar also had given. This proves that I know what I was talking about when I have defined suicide. You are the dimwit for not knowing your own religion. 
Did you read this or not :
LOL , this is evidence that you are a dim wit.
We are talking about 'suicide bombing' or 'suicide terrorism' NOT suicide. You asked for a legal opinion (with your claim that there is none in Islam) with regards to 'suicide terrorism / bombing' and it is has been given. You have been embarrassed to no end because you've been exposed being clueless. To save face you now try to argue about the definition of suicide. We are NOT discussing about suicide.
Why are you going round in circles chasing your own backside? You are a clueless dimwit.
By definition of your own religion, those who commit suicide WILL GO TO HELL. Full stop.
You talk so much for what?
Of course according to Islam , those who commit suicide would go to hell. Then why did you ask , post #124
Which scholar? Where did they say it is haram? SHOW THEN TALK.
Per your post#125
Even the Vatican Pope took a stand using religion as excuse to commit violence. It was brave of Pop to speak out against extremists like that.
But where is Sam1528 and his claim that Islamic scholars have state it was haram? WHERE? WHO IS SCHOLAR?
This is evidence that you don't know what you are talking about. You are just a clueless dim wit.
When you have been caught farting thru your mouth , you now change topics to argue about definition of suicide. Wooit meenachi , malulah sikit. Ko ni muka tebal ke?
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mashimaru83 posted on 22-9-2014 09:55 PM
At first you were talking on the result of the action:
Now, you are switching the context to Go ...
Meenachi Sepiroth havebeen caught (and embarrassed to no end) trying to BS
That is why she is trying to twist and turn her argument jumping from one topic to another ..... like 'truth.8'
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Meenatchi sephiroth ni elok kawinkan ngan truth.8 jea..
Ehh long time no see uh  |
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by mashimaru83
In Islam, God's commandments reside within the Al-Quran itself.
In regards to the first post, like bro Sam pointed out, there is nothing wrong for Muslims to fight the wrong doers and die in the process.
Is that so? WHO made you God?
What is the use of calling Al Quran words of God when every Muslim on the Planet will have their own definition of what they can do or cannot do? 
Muslims claim Al Quran is word of God and then turn around and say "it is OK to commit suicide" and we have bussload of fools and addicts running to their death, while daydreaming of getting 72 prostitutes and fools like this muslims here keep repeating Al Quran is word of God.
This is proof that Al Quran is nothing more than word of a man named Muhammad. Following Islam WILL lead you to Hell. |
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by Sam1528
At first you were talking on the result of the action:
Well DUH! Result of any actions which conducted with intention of killing oneself is what? DEATH LAH. Therefore such action is refer to as committing suicide. Common Sense mah. I have clear idea what I'm talking about. What the hell are you talking about? Daydream of 72 prostitutes? No such thing. Hell awaits those who committed suicide and that is universal whether you are Muslim, Christian, Hindus or Buddhist. |
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Sephiroth posted on 23-9-2014 08:09 AM
by mashimaru83
Sephiroth:
Is that so? WHO made you God?
What is the use of calling Al Quran words of God when every Muslim on the Planet will have their own definition of what they can do or cannot do?
Sephiroth:
Muslims claim Al Quran is word of God and then turn around and say "it is OK to commit suicide" and we have bussload of fools and addicts running to their death, while daydreaming of getting 72 prostitutes and fools like this muslims here keep repeating Al Quran is word of God.
Last edited by mashimaru83 on 23-9-2014 10:33 AM
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Post time 22-9-2014 10:30 AM
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