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tak tahu lah kalau Singapore dapat Downgrade Version F-22
ubahsuai jadi Two Seater |
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121# HangPC2
If it sells now, it is likely to be a special export version. It may or may not be as good as the original(but still better than anything out there); especially if it comes with replacement Israeli components. Come 2020, there might not be a reason for a special export version because of the maturity of technology(i.e the Us would have even better tech to play around with even the tho the current tech is already 1-2 decades ahead of everyone else).
The other reason the US does not want to give away tech early is that it may affect thier own aerial superiority. However, they would have no issues if thier aerial superority is unchallenged. That is the reason why we are seeing better F15s and F16s than USAF ones. No one can challenge US aerial superiority currently.
Refer to the F16s and F15s. Singapore`s F15SG has better US tech inside than US F15s. UAE`s F16 E/F has better Us tech inside than US F16s. |
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122# belacan79
It looks like it is confirmed that the F35 will carry at least 6 Amraams or Aim 9X internally in air to air configuration. It has also been reported that the Israelis are developing stealth pods to carry even more Amraams and Aim-9x externally.Not bad at all. Considering with DAS and EOTS, the F35 can track and target 360 degrees without even turning. It would be extremely dangerous for any aircraft to come within WVR range of a F35. The power of sensors. heh. |
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123# belacan79
The US aint done with the F22 yet. Imagine a F22 with DAS and EOTS. Also, all round 360 degrees radar coverage for both F35 and F22 has been talked about. |
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aku rasa jepun baik teruskan Projek ATD-X Shinshin dari ambik Downgrade Version F-22 |
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125# HangPC2
Even when the US prepared to transfer key tech, the Japanese constitution is a hindrance. They will prolly just get the air to air version like the current F15s. |
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Unless there is a perceptible threat to Sg`s military aerial superiority in the region, the anticipated usage of 50-80 F15SG will do together with the 100 F35s. We wont be throwing away the F15s so fast. F22s will definitely come into Sg`s inventory. And the USAF wants a F22 replacement by 2035. Post 2020 looks great. Especially if the Pak-Fa comes to the region. But that would be unlikely to impossible in this decade or probably 1st half of next decade..
I personally think that SG won't go for F-22 route for atleast another 20 years. F-15SG & F-35 is excellent warbirds has a long durable airframe, which can serve up to 40 years max.
"Dumb-Down" version is misleading. By 2020, most of the tech that you see in the F22 wont be that new to the US but still more advanced than the rest of the world. It is likely that they will release the latter to close allies. Secondly, countries like Israel and Singapore would opt to add in thier own tech which are on par and better than the original US ones. Examples are the F15SG and F16I.
It is still a 'dumbed-down' version. Export variants of F-22 will not contain key technologies that USAF possessed. That is USA policies.
Of course, we know that Israelis are good at integrating their indigenous comparable systems to their version of F-16s & F-15s. Which will makes their F-22I (yeah, I cooked up the designation) subtly upgraded to their local standards.
Although, two possible export customers remained Israel & Japan within the next decade. Then, I expect followup order from Saudi Arabia (obviously deterrence against both Israel & Iran). |
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In spite of what the Russians have been saying to the media, the Pak-Fa will take many years before it is ready for production. Unlike the F35s, many key internal systems are just not ready; radar, engines, etc.
PAKFA has not yet matured. It will take longer time for mass production, with atleast the nearest date would be 2015 period, IF they managed to keep to the deadline.
By the way, Pak-Fa is valued at not less than $100-150 USD million per jet currently and the cost will rise in the future. If you cannot afford the cost now, you wont in the future.
We might be able to afford it. Atleast of equipping 1 basic squadron of 8 aircrafts, not more than that. But I speculate by the latest would be within 2025 - 2030 period. |
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Refer to the F16s and F15s. Singapore`s F15SG has better US tech inside than US F15s. UAE`s F16 E/F has better Us tech inside than US F16s.
Because F-15s & F-16s are not 'stealth' fighters. Period.
Unless stealth fighters become abundant through out the world, at most by mid 2020s, I seriously doubt any F-22s export variant will exceeded the US deployed F-22s.
I only seriously see that F-35s export variants might exceed comparably with the US version. |
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Even when the US prepared to transfer key tech, the Japanese constitution is a hindrance. They will prolly just get the air to air version like the current F15s.
With the current Japanese Govt (that toppled the ass-lickin' LDP), there might be a revision to the said Constitution.
But sufficed to say, if JSDF ever get 'em Raptors plus the manufacturing license, China & North Korea will probably initiate arms race! |
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127# robotech
personally think that SG won't go for F-22 route for atleast another 20 years. F-15SG & F-35 is excellent warbirds has a long durable airframe, which can serve up to 40 years max.
40 years is far too long by singapore`s current standards and purchasing capability. It is not about air-frames, it is about threat matrixes and possible lost of key aerial advantages. If the threat requires RSAF to purchase Raptors after 2020, they will because Singapore can afford it. If airforces in the region and the periphery starts sporting Pak-FAs, they will.
It is still a 'dumbed-down' version. Export variants of F-22 will not contain key technologies that USAF possessed. That is USA policies.
Now, where have i heard that before. The current exported teens(F15s and F16s) are better than the ones used by the US. To say definitely that the exported F-22 is worst off is not conclusive factually.
Post 2020, there might not even be a need of a different varient. And the exported varient may be even better than the one the US possesses as evident by current exported Bugs, Eagles and Vipers.
Yes, if Israel can get thier hands on the F-22, it is likely that it will be better than USAF F-22s. The US is not the only ones with high end tech. In fact, Israel wants thier own version of the F-35 which they contend will be better than US ones.
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128# robotech
PAKFA has not yet matured. It will take longer time for mass production, with atleast the nearest date would be 2015 period, IF they managed to keep to the deadline.
Even the nose cone is not ready although that is not so important as the radar and electronics which are`nt ready as well. Even the engines are not ready. Conventionally, that will consume around 5-6 years henceforth. And after that, you need more test flights i think. Most likely end of 2015-2020. As mentioned, the first few years of production will be for the Russian air force and then the indian air force. Everyone gets to wait.
We might be able to afford it. Atleast of equipping 1 basic squadron of 8 aircrafts, not more than that. But I speculate by the latest would be within 2025 - 2030 period.
You may get it when the technology becomes widespread and costs drops which wouldnt be soon after production starts. By which time, the USAF is already testing and flying a 6th generation fighter plane so it drastically limits the advantages acruable with buying the Pak-fa then. It will be like buying a Su-30 in an era when 5th generation jets are about to come to the scene. The F22 is due to be replaced in 2035.
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129# robotech
Because F-15s & F-16s are not 'stealth' fighters. Period.
It is not about "stealth" fighters. It`s about basic assurance of air dominance and maturity of technology. Read my post again. Scroll back to the early years when the F15 and F16s were new and you would realise the US was just as coy and reluctant to release same gen F15 and F16 models. Push back to present generation, it is a totally different matter when they have newer tech and simply unmatched air dominance.
Unless stealth fighters become abundant through out the world, at most by mid 2020s, I seriously doubt any F-22s export variant will exceeded the US deployed F-22s.
They will be thousands of F-35s by then and several hundreds Pak-fa. the technology that you see now in the F-22 will become presumably common. There will be newer technologies for the Us to play with.
I only seriously see that F-35s export variants might exceed comparably with the US version
Im scratching my chin in amusement because on one hand you are saying that the US will not export better technologies for stealth or perhaps any aircraft and presently, you are saying otherwise. Just look at current exported and to be exported teens. |
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With the current Japanese Govt (that toppled the ass-lickin' LDP), there might be a revision to the said Constitution.
But sufficed to say, if JSDF ever get 'em Raptors plus the manufacturing license, China & North Korea will probably initiate arms race!
North Korea is a country on the brink of collapse. They do not have the resources to start an arms race and air power is not really a concern for them because they have practically no advantages there to begin with.
China is developing thier own 5th gen aircraft. So, it stands to reason that japan will get f22s sometime in the future.
All Japanese parties allign themselves with the US at the end of the day. It is a symbiotic relationship they cannot do without. |
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Plan lays out aircraft acquisition through 2040
F-22 Raptor : The service will spend $1.9 billion to upgrade its 180 fighter jets with improved communications and avionics gear. Retirement of the Raptors could begin in 2025.
Sources : http://www.airforcetimes.com/
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125# HangPC2
Baik Jepun move away from F22 dan develop their own VF-1 Veritech fighter.. |
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DATE:25/03/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Malaysia issues RFIs for fighters and AEW aircraft
By Leithen Francis
Malaysia has issued a request for information for fighters and airborne early warning aircraft, with a view to placing orders in 2011-15.
The sudden flurry of activity has occurred because Malaysia's government is now formulating its 10th five-year national plan for the 2011-15 period, say industry sources.
Kuala Lumpur wants information on fighters such as the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 and Saab Gripen. Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport has stated publicly that it will offer the Sukhoi Su-30.
Malaysia wants to order enough aircraft for one to two squadrons, potentially totalling 36-40 airframes. It is seeking to phase out its older fighters, such as the Northrop F-5, and simplify its fleet.Boeing and Sukhoi are arguably the strongest contenders because Malaysia already operates eight F/A-18Ds, that it ordered in the early 1990s, and 18 Su-30s that it ordered in 2003.
Meanwhile, the RFI for two AEW aircraft will bring the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye and Saab Erieye system in contention. The Swedish manufacturer has already been successful in selling one Erieye-equipped Saab 340 to Thailand, in addition to a first batch of six Gripens. The radar has also already been integrated with the Embraer EMB-145 and Saab 2000.
Northrop has previously sold E-2Cs to Japan, Singapore and Taiwan. The company is considered unlikely to offer the developmental E-2D for the Malaysian requirement.
Even though Malaysia has issued the new RFIs, suppliers have reason to be sceptical about its ability to progress to a contract award, as it has twice launched similar competitions in the past. A failure to follow-through with orders this time could result in some companies being reluctant to entertain future requests, some industry sources warn.
Request RFP hanya utk buat Bajet RMK 10 shj. ! Tak harapan utk beli fighter baru. Track record RMAF sudah buruk dan teruk ! |
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138# cmf_nando orang2 luar dah tawar hati ngan game yg mesia main. harapan bagi tinggi menggunung, pastuh hampeh...
tapi takpa... semoga decision makers negara dah insaf dan tak main2 lagi kali nih... kalu tak, korang boleh la start design kapai terobang sendiri utk kegunaan rmaf di masa depan... |
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Upgraded F-15Cs to protect F-22s
Posted by David A. Fulghum at 4/14/2010 9:07 AM CDT
F-22 stealth fighter production is capped, so USAF officials are upgrading their best F-15C with advanced, long-range radars to beef up the air dominance force.
Because of the larger size of the F-15s radar and the aircraft’s greater flight endurance, they also will serve as “stand-in” electronic warfare jamming and attack aircraft as part of the Air Force’s composite air dominance force that also includes stealthy F-22s stationed at Langley Air Force Base, Va.
Each fighter type will shoulder 50% of the air dominance mission now that the F-22 force has been capped at 187 aircraft. The upgraded F-15Cs will carry the larger APG-63(V)3 active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. The radar's long range and small target detection capability will allow F-22s to operate in electronic silence with their low observability uncompromised by electronic emissions.
The first F-15C modified with the Raytheon radar was declared operational with the Florida Air National Guard’s 125th Fighter Wing last week.
“Our objective is to fly in front [of any strike force] with the F-22s, and have the persistence [because of larger fuel loads] to stay there while the [stealthy fighters] are conducting their LO attack,” says Maj. Todd Giggy, the wing’s chief of weapons and tactics. Giggy was formerly with the chief of weapons and tactics for the 1st Air Dominance Wing at Langley. “That persistence is something we can add that no one else can in the air dominance world.”
The Florida, Louisiana and Oregon ANG will field the first 48 V3 radar-equipped F-15Cs. Massachusetts and Montana ANG units will follow so that the East, West and Gulf coasts have a cruise missile defense capability.
“We’re embracing an air-launched concept for theater ballistic missile defense as a deterrent and as a tactical capability to protect our forces in theater and for homeland defense,” Giggy says.
One of the missiles in consideration for the theater ballistic missile mission is Raytheon’s NCADE variant of the AIM-120 AMRAAM.
“We’re talking to the ANG about a demonstration of an air-launched, hit-to-kill system, says Ramon Estrada, Raytheon’s F-15 AESA program manager. “It takes the AMRAAM body and extends the range to support a ballistic missile mission.” The AIM-120C-6 and AIM-120D AMRAAM models were optimized in part to attack small-signature cruise missiles.
The Air Force will deliver up to six AESA radars this summer for installation on F-15Cs at the Weapons School and 442 Sgdn. at Nellis AFB, Nev. The fleet will eventually grow to 176 Golden Eagles that are slated to serve until 2030.
The F-15Cs also will provide electronic jamming and attack capability, self-protect the force against enemy missiles and aircraft, shoot their beyond visual range missiles to supplement limited numbers carried by the F-22s and use the radar to create situational awareness for everyone else.
“Weapons effects are the priority, and we are carrying so few weapons that BVR fighting is going to be distributed among all the platforms out there,” Giggy says. “So we distribute the targets and weapons management.”
The F-15C’s electronic surveillance capability also can identify and precisely locate electronic emitters – communications and radars in the air and on the ground – to direct the attacks of other aircraft carrying conventional missiles or non-kinetic, electronic or cyber weapons. Examples of the latter are Raytheon’s Miniature Air Launched Decoy – Jammer (Mald-J) and the CHAMP high power microwave (HPM) generator for cruise missiles being developed by the Air Force Research Laboratory at Kirtland AFB, N.M.
There are also more modifications to come, say aerospace industry officials.
“The simple answer is yes,” says Jim Means, Boeing’s director of proprietary programs for global strike systems. “We are looking in all the right places for the future and that includes the radar and modification to the [AESA] antenna.”
The APG-82(V)4 radar and a new radome planned for the Air Force’s fleet of about 220 F-15Es “we may retrofit to the F-15Cs,” Means says. “There’s also a new computer, a larger cockpit display and enhanced bandwidth datalinks that can send more data to other aircraft faster.”
“Our goal is to break the [enemy’s] kill chain,” Giggy says. “The AESA is a critical component. We can’t stand-in against the current threats unless we can build that [electronic and radar] picture of the battlefield. The V3 allows us to pick and chose where we can go to deliver the [weapons’] effect. And some of those EW and non-kinetic warfare effects are very important.”
But they are expected to be only a few of the upgrades considered through the end of the F-15C’s operational life in 2030.
“With the capability gap that the Air Force is trying to address through the air dominance category with the F-15C, we looked at a lot technologies,” says Robert Martin, a Boeing business development official for the F-15 program.” The Air Force is going to look across platforms for effects to enhance warfighter capability.”
Technologies already in consideration include advanced processing, electronic warfare, multi-spectral sensors, high volume, low probability of intercept datalinks and interoperability with unmanned platforms, he says.
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Sources : http://www.aviationweek.com/
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