Has the Quran been altered?

nightlord · Post time 29-1-2005 12:52 AM

Bodoh nya, is that all muslims have in proving the genuineness of the Quran, that hardly any mistakes in each book( everbody knows there are some errors).

Why dont you contrast it with the Webster Dictionary, every copy the same, no error at all.

Is the Webster more terror than the Quran.

Duh..........

sakinahmawaddah · Post time 29-1-2005 12:57 PM

well let see where are the mistake you'e saying Mr Nightlord.
Do judge the books in single direction.
The webster dictionary only give you all the words you searching for and the meaning. Do Webster give scientific and mathematical knowledge and past event and future event and so on.
At least you say webster is so terror, i'm sure webster is more terror in term of no mistake in its content to compare with Bible. Won't you admit this also.
How can you give this example to compare with Quran.
I hope u did read about Quran and its content, at least the topic you interested in.
The Quran full of wisdom and knowledge that only seen the light this modern century. Have you ever heard it.
The BBT, have stated long before the scientist found this information.
The world is expanding, and so on.

sakinahmawaddah · Post time 29-1-2005 01:01 PM

well let see where are the mistake you'e saying Mr Nightlord.
Do judge the books in single direction.
The webster dictionary only give you all the words you searching for and the meaning. Do Webster give scientific and mathematical knowledge and past event and future event and so on.
At least you say webster is so terror, i'm sure webster is more terror in term of no mistake in its content to compare with Bible. Won't you admit this also.
How can you give this example to compare with Quran.
I hope u did read about Quran and its content, at least the topic you interested in.
The Quran full of wisdom and knowledge that only seen the light this modern century. Have you ever heard it.
The BBT, have stated long before the scientist found this information.
The world is expanding, and so on.

nightlord · Post time 29-1-2005 08:47 PM

Well Saki etc etc, a book is only as good as the readers perception of the read.

Both the quran and the bible are COMPILATION WORKS.

Both in their history, have had a council or Caliph declare one version correct and every other version wrong and destroyed all such versions.

It is quite ridiculous to keep reading muslims keep claiming the "authenticity" of the quran when everyone (knowledgeable) knows very well that the first Caliph "chose" his version and destroyed every other version. This a form of censorship and is definitely a severe form of editing by the first Caliph.

And to have muslim keep repeating the same reason over and over again without an iota of free thought is getting to be so annoying esp the newbies.

And having muslim claim that the Quran has not been changed BECAUSE the language is still in Arabic is way beyond logical thinking. You mean if someone edited the quran he has to change the language of the next version?

And then, muslims say the bible is not accurate because the original hebrew version is lost. Does this immediately imply that the greek and latin versions are wrong? Is your Quran in the Malay language wrong? A transalation made by a faithful believer is never wrong because he understand the language he is transalating into, in order to reach a wider audience.

By the reasoning that the bible is wrong because it is transalated is like saying the Quran should not be transalated at all. Because the meaning would have changed in another language.

[ Last edited by nightlord on 29-1-2005 at 08:48 PM ]

sakinahmawaddah · Post time 29-1-2005 09:32 PM

And having muslim claim that the Quran has not been changed BECAUSE the language is still in Arabic is way beyond logical thinking.

So Mr, just point out which are the dinstict sura or any ayat that has been change as you claim. May the knowledge will benefit us much.

nightlord · Post time 30-1-2005 09:02 PM

Well Angel you still dont get it do you.

The first Caliph edited the Quran throught censorship.

If again you dont understand this go ask someone who speaks better english to translate for you.

Show all posts · Post time 30-1-2005 10:15 PM

let hear the evidence from our friend Nightlord, which we can refer directly from your sources the Quran has been edited by the first caliph.
Perhaps, the clear references?

Debmey · Post time 30-1-2005 10:46 PM

There were so much corruption and variants of the Quran that the caliph had to burn so many qurans after he edieted a version that he liked.

nightlord · Post time 30-1-2005 10:52 PM

Well cleen script, I am not here to do homework for you.

The internet is full of reference and counter reference material, check it out yourself.

Show all posts · Post time 30-1-2005 10:58 PM

fine, TQ.
How you explain then, the version from the first Caliph stand the test of time, there is no single word/sentence/ayat/verses been altered?
1400 years!
Do you have any idea of this.

nightlord · Post time 30-1-2005 11:07 PM

If you think there are no errors please check again.

Like I said before anyone who wishes to mass produce a book seldom will have error.

Using my analogy of Webster Dictionary, its zero percent error, it is perfect while your Quran is not.

Does that make the dictionary better than your Quran?

Debmey · Post time 30-1-2005 11:11 PM

There are many defects in the Quran.
I have never come across anyone who can explain away contradictions in the Quran text.

peace

sakinahmawaddah · Post time 30-1-2005 11:24 PM

let hear the evidence from our friend Nightlord, which we can refer directly from your sources the Quran has been edited by the first caliph.
Perhaps, the clear references?

well cleenscript, angel 55, I've already brought out the matter at page 6, but till now we never have anybody type down any of the change word/verse/sura, at least from the first caliph up to now.
To make it easier, to check all the Quran and every Muslim house (present), is there any dinsticnt error.
They don't have any explanation on how the Quran from the first caliph to our present time have nothing change at all. (Arabic text)

nightlord · Post time 30-1-2005 11:29 PM

Well Saki, like I just said a mass produced book is a mass produced book.

Has nothing to do with language.

Then the chinese almanac must be better than the Quran as the chinese invented mass printing.