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Sup Ketam, Jus Betik & Air Isotonik Hanyalah MITOS?
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MeghanK replied at 29-1-2016 11:11 PM
doc, kalau viral fever memang kena amek darah ke
Nope, viral fever self limiting.... 2-3 days akan subsided....... yg amik darah if fever persist with symptom2 yg aku ckp..... |
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MeghanK replied at 29-1-2016 11:19 PM
yeke..adik i haritu demam, suhu tinggi sangat tapi dia sejuk sangat (normal kot untuk orang demam ...
Hmmmm, maybe dia suspectimg some other serious illness..... |
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sy sempat tgk kat MHI tv3 pagi selasa kut,prof india ni kata daun betik yg dibuat jus tu yg bahaya nya.& dah ada yg masuk icu..hoho..
lagi dia kata cuba tgk pokok betik ni tkde serangga atau haiwan kecil yg mendekati/makan daunnya.
means pokok ni bahaya utk dijadikan penawar.
pucuk betik dia tak dapat ulas dgn jelas boleh atau tak,cuma kata sbb tiada kajian. walaupun dh jadi amalan pemakanan org kita .
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ok... kena denggi kena byk minum air...... doa pd tuhan saja tak cukup ke?  |
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Tulah..tulang sakit gila,sampai suruh suami urut xhenti2..
Sbb rasa sengal kat tulang2 tu.nasib lah xpape.
TP skrg g sepital gomen ni anak aku tiap demam mesti dia amik darah.
Aku,xtahu lah,TP aku jenis MCM xkisah nk amik darah pun,dr PG klinik CKP xpape TP hakikatnya
Ada pape lg aniaya je.diagnose salah ni bahaya,MCM kwn kena,doc sorg ni CKP payudara dia bengkak biasa je,bg ubat sapu
Sampai xtahan PG HSA doc tu terus suruh bg nama doc mana yg bijak sgt bg ubat sapu je.ni endingnya kwn aku ni dah xda payudara.
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Syukur ke hadrat Tuhan. Minum sup ketam nipah untuk mengubati sakit demam hanyalah mitos. Kalo x, mahu pupus ketam nipah dibuatnya.  |
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Kat wanita hari ini pernah bwk diskusi psl isu herba.
Sebenarnya betol CKP pakar herba tu,walau herba,bahan semulajadi TP kalau kita amik secara berlebihan
Akan jadi lain.contoh pegaga,durian Belanda..dia ada terangkan sehari berapa banyak boleh amik
Secara berpatutan jd khasiat,berlebihan akan jd racun dlm badan.
Aku pun baru tahu,kalau ikut pikiran kita Kn xda bahan kimia,Mkn banyak mana boleh
TP dr segi kajian pula lain.
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Dah xde kajian saintifik ko buktikanlah...
Asal xde kajian saitifik terus kata xbetul..cubalah buktikan dari sangkal segala petua tok nenek moyang..... Bila mat saleh buat nanti baru terhegeh2 nak angguk.... |
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I tak tau nak cakap. Tapi minum jus pucuk betik somehow memang mempercepatkan naiknya platlet darah. Banyak pengalaman even my husband lepas minum pn terus ok demam. Dari duduk saje minum air je. I rasa membantu la jus betik. Ketam cam x jalan. So scientist boleh la buat kajian ape yg ada kat pucuk betik ni. |
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tom2 replied at 30-1-2016 01:18 AM
I tak tau nak cakap. Tapi minum jus pucuk betik somehow memang mempercepatkan naiknya platlet darah. ...
kalau awak baca explanation kat thread ni, denggi ni bukan pasal platlet darah semata  |
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my husband pernah kena demam denggi masa kat haiti,
so kami balik canada.. doctor kat sini pun tak kasi apa apa
ubat pun selain buat xray peparu, kemudian suruh rehat rehat aje dirumah...
so itu my husband buat, dan sembuh lepas tu...
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Use of Papaya Plant in MedicineThe papaya plant or C. papaya has been used since ancient times for the treatment of a number of disease conditions. Various beneficial effects of extracts from the leaves, fruit and seeds have been suggested through scientific studies. The chymopapain and papain extracts of the leaves are useful in the treatment of digestive disorders. The extracts from fruits and seeds have bactericidal properties.[ 11] The fruit juice and leaf extract have been demonstrated to have a wide variety of properties including anticancer, antioxidative, anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, nephroprotective, hepatoprotective, hypoglycemic and hypolipidemic effects, and anti-sickling effect in sickle cell disease. The ripe fruit has been used against ringworm, whereas the green fruit has been used to lower blood pressure, as an aphrodisiac and to induce abortion.[ 12] The leaf extract has also been shown to have larvicidal properties against the Aedes aegypti mosquito, the vector of the DENV.[ 11]
Possible Mechanism of Action of Papaya Extract in DengueThe papaya plant possibly brings about its effect in dengue by treating the thrombocytopenia associated with the condition. A study has reported membrane stabilizing properties of C. papaya L. leaf extracts in in vitrostudies. The study found that C. papaya L. leaf extracts inhibited heat-induced and hypotonicity-induced hemolysis of erythrocytes obtained from both healthy individuals and individuals with dengue infection; the effect was observed at the lower concentrations of the extracts. Thus, the extracts are likely to possess membrane-stabilizing properties and protect blood cells against stress-induced destruction. This property may be useful in patients with dengue infection where the leaf extracts could possibly prevent platelet lysis. The authors postulate that this effect could be due to the presence of flavonoids and other phenolic compounds in the papaya leaves.[ 12]
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Studies in AnimalsA study in mice found an increase in thrombocyte counts in mice administered 15 mg of powdered papaya leaves/kg body weight between 1 and 12 h following dosing.[ 13] Another study found that the C. papayaleaf aqueous extract at concentrations of 400 mg/kg and 800 mg/kg significantly increased the platelet counts in cyclophosphamide-induced thrombocytopenic rat model. It also reduced the clotting time in the treated rats.[ 14]
Studies in HumansTreatment of dengue using C. papaya leaf extract in humans has been reported in very few studies conducted in Asia. A pilot study was conducted in Sri Lanka on 12 patients suspected of suffering from dengue. The patients had a platelet count of <130,000/cu mm, but only six patients were serologically confirmed to be suffering from dengue. The patients received 2 doses of papaya leaf extract at intervals of 8 h. They also received standard symptomatic care for dengue. The study found an increase in platelet count and total white blood cell count in patients administered papaya leaf extract within 24 h of treatment with the extract.[ 15] A case report from Pakistan described the effective treatment of dengue in a truck driver with papaya leaf extract. The patient received 25 mL of papaya leaf extract twice a day for 5 days. A steady increase in the platelet and white blood cell count was observed after 2 days of treatment. However, the results of the study have to be interpreted with caution, taking into consideration the vague and incorrect details mentioned in the report. For example, the report states that the driver was bitten by a “mosquito carrying Dengue virus”, 24 h after which he started developing symptoms. These and similar other statements raise questions regarding the credibility of this report.[ 16] A study conducted in Indonesia used C. papaya L. leaves extract capsules (CPC), which contained 70% ethanol extract of C. papaya leaves. The 80 patients included in the study had high continuous fever for 2-7 days, thrombocyte count of <150,000/μL and hematocrit of 20% or more. They were randomized into two groups; one group received CPC in addition to standard treatment, whereas the other group received only standard treatment for dengue. The study found that platelets in patients with dengue increased faster in those who were administered the CPC. The authors thus conclude that treatment with CPC can hasten recovery of patients and therefore reduce hospitalization. However, there is no clear mention if any of the patients including those in the control group died due to dengue. The study also does not confirm the diagnosis of dengue in these patients.[ 17] A report in the British Medical Journal website described the rapid recovery of platelet counts in two children suffering from dengue. These cases were proved to be positive for dengue by the demonstration of the dengue antigen in the serum. The boys, aged 10 years and 14 years, were administered a spoonful of ground papaya leaves paste every 4 hourly. A dramatic increase in platelet counts was observed; in one case within 12 h of initiating treatment, the count increased to 100,000. In the second case, it increased within 2 days to 250,000. The duration of treatment was not mentioned in the report.[ 18] A study in the journal of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants reported an increase in platelet counts in five patients within 24 h who had taken papaya leaf extract for dengue. However, no other details have been provided – whether the dengue was confirmed in these patients, what other treatment was given and whether the increase in platelet count is significant. Furthermore, the response in platelet count beyond 24 h has not been described.[ 19] A study conducted in Malaysia had a more systematic approach in evaluating the use of papaya leaf juice in the treatment of dengue. The juice was obtained from the papaya leaves under hygienic conditions from trees that were grown without insecticides or pesticides. An open-labeled randomized controlled trial was conducted on 290 patients between the ages of 18 and 60 years with platelet counts ≤100,000/μL. The patients were confirmed to be suffering from dengue using a rapid dengue bedside test. Patients in the intervention group were administered fresh juice from 50 g of C. papaya leaves once a day 15 min after breakfast for 3 consecutive days. In addition, they received the standard treatment for dengue. The controls only received the standard treatment. The final analysis was conducted on 111 patients from the intervention group and 117 controls. The study found that there was a significant increase in the platelet counts in the intervention group at the end of 40 h when compared to the counts 8 h after the intervention began. This significant increase was not observed in the control group. An increase in arachidonate 12-lipoxygenase and the platelet-activating factor receptor gene expression was also observed in the intervention group. These genes are associated with increased platelet production.[ 7]
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DiscussionFrom the various reports published in scientific literature, it appears that C. papaya L. leaf extract does have beneficial properties in dengue. It has been shown to bring about a rapid increase in platelet count. This could be possibly attributed to its membrane-stabilizing property. The flavonoids and other phenols present in the extract have been suggested to provide the beneficial effects. One study found that the leaves of papaya plant are rich in several minerals. The researchers suggested that these minerals may balance the mineral deficiency caused by the virus and strengthen the immune cells against it.[20] However, the picture is not entirely clear. First of all, there are very few cases reported in literature. Many of the reports have presumed that the patients suffer from dengue due to the presence of thrombocytopenia and have not confirmed the diagnosis. This may have been due to the high cost of the test, which is often unaffordable to people in the underdeveloped and developing countries, where most of these studies were conducted. Therefore, it cannot be proved based on these case reports that the extract is conclusively effective in dengue. It is possible that the extract may be beneficial in other cases of thrombocytopenia as well. Thus, it is first important to diagnose the cases correctly and prove beyond doubt that the patient indeed suffers from dengue infection. Most of the cases were given a crude leaf extract prepared by grinding the papaya leaves. The amount of extract given also differed among the studies. Thus, the active principle needs to be identified and the dosage standardized to conduct clinical studies on it to prove its efficacy in dengue beyond doubt. It is also necessary to conduct pharmacokinetic studies to ensure that the active principle is absorbed from the digestive tract. In addition to its effect against the virus, the papaya plant also appears to be effective against the Aedesmosquito. Thus, if proved to be effective, this plant could control dengue at two levels, at the level of transmission as well at the host level. Papaya extract no doubt offers a cheap and possibly effective treatment for dengue. However, currently, it is also necessary not to rely entirely on the leaf extract and ignore standard treatment for dengue until the benefits are established. Large scale randomized clinical trials in dengue-confirmed patients is necessary to establish their usefulness.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... leshow/48962787.cms
Doctors say low platelet count no cause for worry
Sushmi Dey | TNN | Sep 15, 2015, 12.39 AM IST
NEW DELHI: Low blood platelet count may not necessarily mean dengue or at least may not be a reason to panic. Doctors and health officials advise people to drink plenty of water to avoid dehydration and maintain good sanitation to avoid dengue. Doctors say patients should take paracetamol in case of fever and closely keep a watch on symptoms like blood pressure, rise in pulse rate and if PCV blood count goes beyond 50.
According to experts, rapidly falling platelets may trigger plasma leakage which needs monitoring but merely low platelet count --up to 8000-9000-- may not be serious or a threat to life. However, doctors say once platelets are below the 10,000 level, it is safer to go for medical fluid intake -either orally or IV fluid.
"Platelet counts are not reliable and do not indicate anything. In other words, platelet deficiency is not alarming, neither can platelet transfusion save anyone's life," said Dr K K Aggarwal, secretary general, Indian Medical Association.
Dr SP Byotra, chairman (internal medicines) at Ganga Ram Hospital, also maintains falling platelet count and fever could be symptoms for other diseases like malaria, typhoid and kala azar. Though these symptoms are present even in case of dengue, but patients need not panic and instead should go for proper investigation of the disease, he said. Doctors say if persistent high fever is coupled with bleeding, vomiting, nausea and dehydration, one should investigate for dengue.
According to Dr Aggarwal, there is nothing to worry if a patient is passing urine every three hours. He said a patient persistently running high fever, feeling extreme weakness and with rapidly falling platelets should keep a close watch on blood pressure and whether the pulse rate is shooting up and if PCV blood count is over 50.
Officials in the health ministry also advised patients not to seek hospital admission out of panic in case of high fever and falling platelet count.
"Other viral infections are on and fever could be a result of that. Hospitalization is not required in each and every case," said a senior official.
Maintaining that there is no shortage of beds, the official attributed it to patients seeking admission in panic.
Officials said patients should avoid easily available rapid diagnostic kits for testing dengue as these kits have low sensitivity and therefore often produce false results. |
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Apa kata cuba buat jus ketam dan sup betik pulak.. |
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betik muda lebih segar bugar... |
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Habis, awat KKM sendiri keluarkan video hautu menyediakan pati daun betik?
Aku ingat satu2 step dalam video tu..
Dia basuh kat sink,
Dia potong, dia tumbuk,
Pastu buh lam botol kecik. |
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Post time 29-1-2016 11:15 PM
), g klinik doc terus cucuk tade sapu alcohol swab tu dah pastu amek darah
