Waffen-SS (majoring in foreign volunteers)

mmc

ok i'll remember this the next time your friend use your debmey identity to  quote from wikipedia as his bible.....remind him/her/it not to do that so that this 'debmey' crediblity won't be further ridiculed for the arsemouth wisdom you all try to push as gospel...

so how does it feel to fall into my pungi trap fooollllllllll!

yipun78

Good thread, i've think i should digest it so it wont be accidently delete by Admin

ef/x

Sorry... I heard somebody talking about 'Ustashi' & 'in the name of islam' thing...

Excerpt :

The Vatican's Holocaust - Revealed at Last!

A sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century. Startling revelations of forced conversions, mass murder of non-Catholics, Catholic extermination camps, disclosures of Catholic clergy as commanders of concentration camps; documented with names, dates, places, pictures and eyewitness testimony.

More info for those who wanted to learn more about the history.... remember ww2 start from Balkan conflict, oh ! I forgot to mention, it is written by non-muslim.....go here;

http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html

ef/x

Ustashi & muslim = Good Friend ? :hmm: Nah... I don't think so...

Excerpt from : http://www.reformation.org/holoc6.html

If the first ingredient of Ustashi super-nationalism was race, the second was religion. The two could hardly exist independently, having been so closely intertwined as to have become almost synonymous. The word Croat, in fact, signified Catholic, as much as, in Croatia, Catholic came to signify Croat. If this was useful to Ustashi racialism, it was no less beneficial to Catholicism, in so far as, once the theory had been established that Catholic meant Croat, the idea that Croatia had to be totally Catholic not only became firmly rooted: it was turned into one of the basic tenets of the new State.

Christians in Europe...

The achievements of Catholic Fascism were continually glorified in Hungary, in France under Catholic Petain, in Spain under Catholic Franco...

Muslims in Bosnia + albanians did volunteered (not all of them) but their no are small & played only small roles compared to non-muslim volunteered, READ ;   

Foreign volunteers and conscripts

Soon Danish, French, Azeri, Armenian, Flemish, Norwegian, Finnish and Dutch Freiwilligen (volunteer) formations were committed to combat, gradually proving their worth.

Among the more unusual units to exist in the Waffen SS was the American Free Corps or or "George Washington Brigade". Its most famous member was Second Lieutenant Martin James Monti, who worked as a propaganda broadcaster as well. The "American Free Corps" consisted of no more than 5 members. Another unit, the Britisches Freikorps, a unit composed of citizens of the British Commonwealth, was led by John Amery and had a strength of no more than 60 men. Still another unit, the Indian National Army was composed of Indian troops, mostly prisoners of war recruited by the Germans.

5th SS Panzergrenadier Division Wiking

Due to the influx of foreign volunteers, particularly from Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway, a decision was made to form a volunteer division. This unit, originally called Nordische Division (Nr.5), was to be made up of Nordic volunteers mixed with ethnic German Waffen-SS veterans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Wiking

If Croat = ethnic, Serb = ethnic, Who is Bosnian Muslim ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniak#The_struggle_for_recognition

gekko

Originally posted by standupper at 19-5-2006 08:24 PM
Gekko... Kau nie kalau bab Yahudi jer terus sensitif, cepat melenting... Kalau kau boleh pro-Yahudi.. apa masalahnya untuk orang lain anti-Yahudi???

no pro Yahudi bro....but the idolisation of Nazism and Hitler and the ignorance of a terrible episode in mankind history called the Holocaust.

Yea...... maybe with Sharon, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, Johnson, Netanyahnu ect ect..... all in hell... maybe..

yep, they too will have to answer to their maker.....but do you want to join them too ?

gekko

Originally posted by swordman at 20-5-2006 12:16 AM
aku pernah baca suratkhabar Berita Minggu dulu,saintis pernah buat kajian bahawa bilik gas beracun x wujud sebab tidak ada kesan sedikitpun gas beracun pada dinding dalam bilik tu....Dan satu lagi,saintis juga bercanggah dengan diari Anne Frank yang ditulis dengan ball-point pen sebab masa tu belum wujud lagi pen jenis itu....Dan ada juga maklumat bahawa Adolf Hitler tidak pernah mengarahkan tenteranya membunuh Yahudi.......Misteri betul holocaust ni  

the only misinform person is yourself.

Have you been to a concentration camp b4 ?
There is one in Dachau. They camp is now a historical memorial and preserved and maintained by the German gomen. Why would the Germans do that......to atone for their wrongdoings. The gassing of people is no lie.
You go to Dachau (btw, this camp was depicted in the series Band of Bfrothers) ...or even to Nuremberg....and the history of the german persecution of the Jews is depicted.

gekko

Originally posted by ef/x at 19-5-2006 11:14 PM
Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces. . . .Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true. . . .The Europeans, should give some of their provinces in Europe. . . .to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe."

Mr. Ahmadinejad, President Of Iran

I support what the president of Iran said, why send the jews to take other people land (palestinians)? They should be held responsible for their sins... not palestinians

You have to differentiate btw Islam and Arab nationalism. They are 2 different things altogether.

The Jews originated from the Mideast and so they want to return to their homeland.
There was an agreement btw Emir Feisal Ibn al-Hussein al-Hashemi and the Zionist organisation in 1919 that allows this.
Incase you do not know, in 1919, Emir Feisal Ibn al-Hussein al-Hashemi was the most influencial Arab at that time. he was to be King of Iraq and Syria (also depicted in the movie Lawrence of Arabia)

BTW, why was the country of Persians call themselves IRAN. When was the name changed done ?

gekko

Originally posted by ef/x at 21-5-2006 02:59 AM


I still can accept if you put your immature comment towards the bosnian or palestinian mufti.. why 2 biilions of muslims need to apologised to the jews ??? The irony is.... you said the 'German ...

yep, agree with you on this point the the 2 billion Muslim need not apologise for the holocaust.

Religion has nothing to do with the holocaust, which is a result of racial hatred.
However, why must muslim be sensitive about linking of bosnians and that Mufti to the holocaust ?

And why is the hatred for zionism leads to support for Hitler ?

mmc

Originally posted by gekko at 26-5-2006 10:58 AM


However, why must muslim be sensitive about linking of bosnians and that Mufti to the holocaust ?

And why is the hatred for zionism leads to support for Hitler ?   ...

er who gek:hmm:

gekko

A popular Arab song during the war went, "No more Monsieur, no more Mister. In Heaven Allah, on earth Hitler."

So I thought that it was Arab nationalism.....but as we can see from this thread and around the world, its like other non-arab too have adopted the above theme.

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So while, I would like to say its nothing to do with Islam, the believers wants to confince the world otherwise.

HangPC2

[ Last edited by  HangPC2 at 26-5-2006 11:44 AM ]

mmc

i guess its a case of percentages gek... i equate the israelis the modern equavalent of nazis, so that does not make me a hitler lover...but simple minds may equate hitler the jewish killer as a saviour without knowing or denying the whole story...like the bosnians, i'm sure if hitler had won, they would be next on the list, but at least they belatedly realised that and joined the partisans...

but to put the blame of these simple minded thoughts onto a silent majority of moslems is not fair gekko methinks..

ef/x

You have to differentiate btw Islam and Arab nationalism. They are 2 different things altogether.

I totally, agreed... but let me remind u that in islam we have a concept of 'muslim brotherhood'

Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."

Al Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 624:

The Jews originated from the Mideast and so they want to return to their homeland.

So, why grab land that not belong to them & create ISRAEL ? Cth: aku berketurunan jawa... adakah sepatutnya aku balik ke indon dan pergi ke Tanah Jawa & CLAIM NIE TANAH NENEK MOYANG AKU ? Unless my claim is valid if I had a proper documents exp spt geran tanah dsb...  

There was an agreement btw Emir Feisal Ibn al-Hussein al-Hashemi and the Zionist organisation in 1919 that allows this.
Incase you do not know, in 1919, Emir Feisal Ibn al-Hussein al-Hashemi was the most influencial Arab at that time. he was to be King of Iraq and Syria (also depicted in the movie Lawrence of Arabia)

Thank you for the info (more usefull if you could provide links) , my research;

Quote :

Faisal bin Husayn (Arabic:فيصل بن حسين May 20, 1883

ef/x

Originally posted by gekko at 26-5-2006 10:58 AM

why must muslim be sensitive about linking of bosnians and that Mufti to the holocaust ?

And why is the hatred for zionism leads to support for Hitler ?

If you READ ALL THE POST carefully .... you will find the answer, when an ignorant non-muslim accuse something that totally BS and put the blame on Islam... Yes I got Issue!  


Everybody has the right to say some they like, as I said earlier you must be responsible for your word, try to be 'objective', support your claim with evidance or historical facts (althought you source may be doubtfull at least you got something). Again, I don't have problems with any religions or jews (not Zionist)

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alphawolf

Originally posted by ef/x at 24-5-2006 20:53
More info for those who wanted to learn more about the history.... remember ww2 start from Balkan conflict, ;

I thought it was World War One

alphawolf

Re: Jews claiming the Mid East is their homeland. This goes back looooooong time. According to them, after persecution by the Pharoah, leading them to Exodus to the area we know know as Mid East, they claimed that God give that area as the 'Promised Land' for them to build their nation. Indeed they managed to build a strong nation (remember the stories of Nabi Daud and hi son, Nabi Sulaiman?) Their failure to maintain the foundation lead to their downfall and become virtually nomads as their homeland were conquered and administered by various other nations.

This however does not make their claims valid...otherwise the Red Indians can claim sovereignty over the whole of North America, ditto the Aborigines of Australia.

(I intentionally left out the religious aspects of the Jew...things like they hace been cursed to eternity.....)

Aik?? Still not done with the religious bashing?  Funny how sometimes we see people condemning Nazism acting like one themselves (see Israel).  Its not the religion... its the person...

ef/x

Originally posted by alphawolf at 28-5-2006 08:17 AM


I thought it was World War One

Sorry... Both World War Actually  :hatdown:

ef/x

:setuju::hatdown:

alphawolf

Originally posted by ef/x at 28-5-2006 23:23


Sorry... Both World War Actually  :hatdown:

Hmmm I thought WW2 erupts bcause of Hitler's invasion of Poland?