ATGM Options For Malaysia Army (April'07 Tempur edition)

powerwoot

yup, the picture can tell a thousand words. It might be taken from the Israeli ground as usual if Mossad can do dirty things globally, IDF also have the similar approach to create false situation just to attract international reaction. What is the price of a kornet to Israel if they can get some political achievement beyond that.

HangPC2

Originally posted by IceMallet at 18-4-2007 09:03 AM
Why the boxes were not opened to show its contents?

Kosong Lah tuh

Canaletto

Originally posted by ef/x at 16-4-2007 17:29
Yup, Isreal siap hantar delegasi ke Moscow utk buat komplen (http://www.worldtribune.com/worl ... 28.0791666666.html) tapi yg peliknya yg dia guna bom berangkai dari U.S tak kecoh plak, siap uncl ...

Looohhhhh!!! Gasak pi kat dia le nak pakai senjata dari mana. Tak kan nak pakai batu macam Palestine gak. Bengong ke apa bangsa Yahudi ni???:@

powerwoot

Maksudnya dia boleh serang guna apa aja senjata yg dia suka tapi yang kena serang tak  dibenar mempertahankan diri, kalau boleh guna batu pun tidak dibenarkan.

Canaletto

Kalau cam tu kena tunggu zaman kegemilangan anbia la...seru burung layang-layang bawak batu gugur kan kat Yahudi nih!

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by IceMallet at 18-4-2007 09:03 AM
Why the boxes were not opened to show its contents?

Coz pics are taked in village of Ghandurieh. Inside boxes u will see a simple tube. You can see Kornet tube alson in French news report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4JdD2fHKdE

alphawolf

That's kinda strange...a Russian weapon with English instructions...

IceMallet

The boxes might be empty..and those pics could be taken from any kibbutz..

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by alphawolf at 18-4-2007 12:18 PM
That's kinda strange...a Russian weapon with English instructions...

Nothing strange, thats export version (Kornet-E).

powerwoot

Manufactured in Russia, printed in Israel... No wonder Mr Ivanov laughed

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by powerwoot at 18-4-2007 12:35 PM
Manufactured in Russia, printed in Israel... No wonder Mr Ivanov laughed

No wonder that you have no clue. Here example of russian tank sight with english inscriptions:

http://www.morozov.com.ua/images/f/37-1g46-sightl.jpg

Plz go to tanknet forum and ask about Kornets, I dont want to waste time on your stubborness proving obvious.

mmc

good then..shalom!

Debmey

these guys are new to russian arms. thats why they dunno. even chinese & israeli arms have english markings.

alphawolf

Hek eleh...macam la kami tak tahu MiG-29N tu tak pakai Cyrillic...baru usik2 dah melantun2 ke siling...

mentosonline

Aiyah, anyway, the missile cases will at any case have english or arabic markings... You can't expect those terrorists to read cyrillic can you? Common sense bah. But yeah, the cases could have been empty.

And the comments kind of parellel Hizbollah's 'propaganda' effort, by claiming piles of rubble as destroyed civilian houses, without showing what's underneath them. It is undoubted that a large portion of the 'civilian' houses destroyed harbours terrorists or weapons.

matmin77

Whats the big deal about russian anti-tank weapons used by Hizbullah gurriellas?..thats nothing illegal..... Israel have been employing weapons illegally for years, violating US Arms export control regulation in recent conflicts....

Published on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 by the Inter Press Service

Israel Violates Law on U.S. Weapons in Mideast  
  
UNITED NATIONS - Israel is in violation of U.S. arms control laws for deploying U.S.-made fighter planes, combat helicopters and missiles to kill civilians and destroy Lebanon's infrastructure in the ongoing six-day devastation of that militarily-weak country.

The death toll, according to published reports, is over 200 people -- mostly civilians -- while the economic losses have been estimated at about 100 million dollars per day.
"Section 4 of the (U.S.) Arms Export Control Act requires that military items transferred to foreign governments by the United States be used solely for internal security and legitimate self-defense," says Stephen Zunes, professor of politics at the University of San Francisco.

"Since Israeli attacks against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure and population centers clearly go beyond legitimate self-defense, the United States is legally obliged to suspend arms transfers to Israel," Zunes told IPS.

Frida Berrigan, a senior research associate with the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy Institute in New York, is equally outraged at the misuse by Israel of U.S.-supplied weapons.

"As Israel jets bombard locations in Gaza, Haifa and Beirut, killing civilians (including as many as seven Canadians vacationing in Aitaroun), it is worth remembering that U.S. law is clear about how U.S.-origin weapons and military systems ought to be used," Berrigan told IPS.

She pointed out that the U.S. Arms Export Control Act clear states that U.S. origin weapons should not be used for "non-defensive purposes."

"In light of this clear statement, the United States has an opportunity to stave off further bloodshed and suffering by demanding that its weaponry and military aid not be used in attacks against Lebanon and elsewhere, and challenging Israeli assertions that it is using military force defensively," she added.

That would demonstrate the kind of "utmost restraint" that world leaders called for at the G8 Summit of the world's most industrialized nations, which just ended in St. Petersburg, Russia.

The 25-member European Union has said that Israel's military retaliation against Lebanon is "grossly disproportionate" to the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers last week by the Islamic militant group Hezbollah, which is a coalition partner of the U.S.-supported government in Beirut.

Israel has accused both Syria and Iran of providing rockets and missiles to Hezbollah, which has used these weapons to hit mostly civilian targets inside Israel.

Israel's prodigious military power -- currently unleashed on a virtually defenseless Lebanon -- is sourced primarily to the United States.

Armed mostly with state-of-the-art U.S.-supplied fighter planes and combat helicopters, the Israeli military is capable of matching a combination of all or most of the armies in most Middle Eastern countries, including Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The air force has continued to devastate Beirut and its suburbs with no resistance in the skies during six days of incessant bombings, causing civilian deaths and infrastructure destruction.

"The Israeli Air Force now flies only U.S.-origin fighters, a mix of F-15s and F-16s, and the rest of the service's fleet is almost completely of U.S. origin," says Tom Baranauskas, a senior Middle East analyst at Forecast International, a leading provider of defense market intelligence services in the United States.

While in earlier years Israel bought from a variety of arms suppliers, with the French in particular being strong sellers to Israel of such items as Mirage fighters, over the past couple of decades the United States has developed into Israel's preponderant arms supplier, he added.

"The U.S. domination as Israel's arms supplier can be seen in the Congressional Research Service's (CRS) annual study of arms sales," Baranauskas told IPS.

He said the latest CRS survey shows a total of 8.4 billion dollars of arms deliveries to Israel in the 1997-2004 period, with fully 7.1 billion dollars or 84.5 percent coming from a single source: the United States.

A major factor in this trend was the rise in U.S. Foreign Military Financing (FMF) -- outright U.S. grants to Israel -- which now totals about 2.3 billion dollars a year paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

By U.S. law, Baranauskas said, 74 percent of FMF assistance to Israel must be spent on U.S. military products. This U.S. assistance has now become the main source of financing for Israel's major arms procurements, especially its fighter planes.

From a historical perspective, he said, U.S. assistance to Israel during 1950-2005 has been staggeringly high: Foreign Military Financing (FMF) amounting to 59.5 billion dollars; 27 billion dollars in Foreign Military Sales (FMS) mostly government-to-government arms transactions; and eight billion dollars in commercial arms sales by the private sector.

Berrigan of the Arms Trade Resource Center said the United States is undoubtedly the primary supplier of Israeli firepower.

In the interest of strengthening Israel's security and maintaining the country's "qualitative military edge" over neighboring militaries, the U.S. Congress provides Israel with annual FMF grants that represent about 23 percent of its overall defense budget. Israel's 2006 military budget is estimated at 7.4 billion dollars.

According to the Congressional Research Service, FMF levels are expected to increase incrementally by 60 million dollars a year to a level of 2.4 billion dollars by 2008 compared with 2.2 billion dollars in 2005.

mentosonline

Well, although there's lots of evidence proving that Israel is the agressor in this conflict, legally speaking their conflict is justified because Hizbollah acted first by continously attacking north Israel with rockets and kidnapping those IDF soldiers.

And yes, you're correct that it technically violates the arms law, but that is irrelevant because Uncle Sam will probably not act because Hizbollah is officially in US a terrorist organization, and again, Israel have that excuse of Hizbollah attacking first,

ef/x

Only 6 countries including Israel, U.S & U.k officially list Hizbullah as terrorist Organisation   

Now back to the topic please. T.Q

[ Last edited by  ef/x at 18-4-2007 07:03 PM ]

ef/x

alphawolf

Yes I know that...I just want to rattle the cage of some forumners here...