A Convenant that never happened

eastrun

Quran mentioned only the small part of the story. Quran did not mentioned about the worldwide flood, but Quran did mentioned that the big flood was happened and brought the ark up to Mount Judi.Therefore, we can make conclusion through Quran that the flood was happened either around Noah or the whole world.So, Quran doesn't produce false information..

Furthermore, Quran never mentioned a false convenant that never been fulfilled till today...Just see with your eyes,Debmey, how many living things died because of flood.The convenant didn't say All living things will be killed by flood, but the convenant mentioned that no living tings will be killed by flood/

So no matter how hard you try to say about how big the flood is, once the convenant is false, then, there is no use for you to believe it anymore.

Debmey

Quran mentioned only the small part of the story. Quran did not mentioned about the worldwide flood, but Quran did mentioned that the big flood was happened and brought the ark up to Mount Judi.Therefore, we can make conclusion through Quran that the flood was happened either around Noah or the whole world.So, Quran doesn't produce false information..

So the Quran didn't say the flood was localise lah.
So why do you muslims insist in was a localise flood even though you cannot defend it?
You realise how silly you muslims are? You don't read and understand the Quran, you onloy listen or read what others say and accept it w/o question and then go on to insist on it while not being able to defend such silly ideas that are not even in the Quran.

Furthermore, Quran never mentioned a false convenant that never been fulfilled till today...Just see with your eyes,Debmey, how many living things died because of flood.The convenant didn't say All living things will be killed by flood, but the convenant mentioned that no living tings will be killed by flood/

So no matter how hard you try to say about how big the flood is, once the convenant is false, then, there is no use for you to believe it anymore.

The covenant was fulfilled. There was never a world wide flood since noah's time. The Bible is accurate. Looks like you can't even understansd what you have read.

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-2-2007 10:40 PM

The covenant was fulfilled. There was never a world wide flood since noah's time....

Numpang....

I picked from Wikipedia:....

In a religious context, a covenant refers to the conditional promises made to humanity by God, that is, to protect mortals if they kept His law.

it has other meanings but I think above is quite relevant. So, based on the above meaning I may also say
The covenant is fullfilled !
I think I am still right. No?
And to continue...

Then there is huge flood all over the world destroys everything save Noah (PBUH) and the 83 ++.
The ARK lands on mountains of ARARAT.Care to know how many mountains ARARAT have? Big mountains.

. . . .

Debmey

So did God send another flood to destroy the entire earth again like durinhg Noah's days? Nope. Covenant fulfilled. As simple as that.

How many mountains of Ararat? Mountains is plural, not singular. The Bible didn't say mount ararat, you muslims did. It shows you people have comprehension problem. Your attacks on the Bible couldn't stick.

Since you muslims believe the ark was carried onto mt.Judi which is 7000 feet and still claim the flood was localised, you therefore need to explain the contradiction between the two. Where is teh evidence of what you claimed to support what you believe? None.

WLIO

Because bible have too many version so we don't know which is the true bible.
Anyway bible is just like a bed time story book


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New International Version  

1ButGodremembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere withhim in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, andthewatersreceded.
2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.

3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaterscontinued to recede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof thetenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

Debmey

thats right sir, its the mountains of ararat, not mount ararat. The bible is valid.

The same cannot be said about the Quran.

cheers

WLIO

Because bible have too many version so we don't know which is the true bible.
Anyway bible is just like a bed time story book


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New International Version  

1ButGodrememberedNoah and all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere withhim in theark, and he sent a wind over the earth, andthewatersreceded.
2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.

3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaterscontinuedto recede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof thetenth monththe tops of the mountains became visible.

Originally posted by Debmey at 28-2-2007 01:20 PM
So did God send another flood to destroy the entire earth again like durinhg Noah's days? Nope. Covenant fulfilled. As simple as that.

How many mountains of Ararat? Mountains is plural, not s ...

So, you treat Bible as a history book. I don't.

For your next response . . . may be you would like to double check the thesaurus, again.
Thanks

eastrun

o the Quran didn't say the flood was localise lah.
So why do you muslims insist in was a localise flood even though you cannot defend it?
You realise how silly you muslims are? You don't read and understand the Quran, you onloy listen or read what others say and accept it w/o question and then go on to insist on it while not being able to defend such silly ideas that are not even in the Quran.

My answer:

Heh..Debmey..When did I say the flood is localised?.I didn't say it...even the Holy Quran didn't mentioned it. I did say that the Quran didn't mentioned how big the flood was.But the flood was big because it able to brought Noah Ark's up.So, either the flood is localise or not, only Allah know.

Why Quran didn't mentioned about how big the flood was..It is because what Allah wanted to show is not how big the flood was, but He tried to show us how powerful He is, and How he saved Noah from the bad peoples.And, what He did to those who rejected the faith

The convenant:
Yes..there is still NO WORLDWIDE FLOOD WILL DESTROY THE EARTH,

but the convenant DIDN'T mentioned there will NO WORLDWIDE FLOOD WILL KILL THE LIVING THINGS!.The convenant said THERE WILL BE NO FLOOD (No word to support it 's WORLDWIDE) WILL KILL THE LIVING THINGS.So, you claimed it is fulfilled?.See! my friend, how many living things killed by the flood(NOT WORLDWIDE, because the convenant said so).

Debmey

Heh..Debmey..When did I say the flood is localised?.I didn't say it...even the Holy Quran didn't mentioned it. I did say that the Quran didn't mentioned how big the flood was.But the flood was big because it able to brought Noah Ark's up.So, either the flood is localise or not, only Allah know.

Didn't you see your fellow muslims saying it?
So was it or wasn't it a localised flood according to you muslims? You gotta be sure my frens.  

Why Quran didn't mentioned about how big the flood was..It is because what Allah wanted to show is not how big the flood was, but He tried to show us how powerful He is, and How he saved Noah from the bad peoples.And, what He did to those who rejected the faith

Did the quran say that?

The convenant:
Yes..there is still NO WORLDWIDE FLOOD WILL DESTROY THE EARTH,

but the convenant DIDN'T mentioned there will NO WORLDWIDE FLOOD WILL KILL THE LIVING THINGS!.The convenant said THERE WILL BE NO FLOOD (No word to support it 's WORLDWIDE) WILL KILL THE LIVING THINGS.So, you claimed it is fulfilled?.See! my friend, how many living things killed by the flood(NOT WORLDWIDE, because the convenant said so).

Wrong! Go read Genesis 9 for yourself and see what it says.

WLIO

Because bible have too many version so we don't know which is the true bible.
Anyway bible is just like a bed time story book


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New International Version  

1ButGodrememberedNoahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere withhim in theark,and he sent a wind over the earth, andthewatersreceded.
2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.

3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaterscontinuedto recede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof thetenth monththe tops of the mountains became visible.

Debmey

thanks again wlio. Its mountains of ararat. You have proven many times over that the Bible is correct.

WLIO

Debmey look here , first you ask this question in ~ blue~

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 04:34 PM

So if the flood can carry a ship 17000 ft, how can it be a local flood like you muslims claim? please explain.

Wrong, the Bible did not say the ark rested on mt.ararat itself. Shows you never read the Bible yourself.
The location ofmt.judi itself is confusing.

This is what I reply

New International Version  

1ButGod remembered Noahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere with him in the ark, and hesent a wind over the earth, andthewaters receded.
2 Now the springs ofthe deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain hadstopped falling from the sky.
3 The water recededsteadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water hadgone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaters continued torecede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof the tenth month the tops ofthe mountains became visible.


Then you ask again in ~ blue ~

nope, the bible never said the ark landed on mt.Ararat. Youare stuck dead already.

This is what I reply

New International Version  

1ButGod remembered Noahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere with him in the ark, and hesent a wind over the earth, andthewaters receded.
2 Now the springs ofthe deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain hadstopped falling from the sky.
3 The water recededsteadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water hadgone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaters continued torecede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof the tenth month the tops ofthe mountains became visible.

Again you ask this question ~blue~

No Bible says thatthe ark landed on mt.Ararat. You must be a fool WLIO. Its seems you are stuck.

This is what I reply

New International Version  

1ButGod remembered Noahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere with him in the ark, and hesent a wind over the earth, andthewaters receded.
2 Now the springs ofthe deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain hadstopped falling from the sky.
3 The water recededsteadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water hadgone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaters continued torecede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof the tenth month the tops ofthe mountains became visible.

This time you accused me for writing  ~blue~

mountains of Ararat, not mout ararat
You see, you can't read

This is what I reply ( I never write mount ararat - - > see below)

New International Version  

1ButGod remembered Noahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere with him in the ark, and hesent a wind over the earth, andthewaters receded.
2 Now the springs ofthe deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain hadstopped falling from the sky.
3 The water recededsteadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water hadgone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountainsof Ararat.
5Thewaters continued torecede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof the tenth month the tops ofthe mountains became visible.


Again you accused me ~Blue~

yep thats right. It says mountains of Ararat, not mountArarat itself.

You failed to read.

This is what I reply ( I never write mount ararat - - > see below)

New International Version  

1ButGod remembered Noahand all the wild animals and the livestockthatwere with him in the ark, and hesent a wind over the earth, andthewaters receded.
2 Now the springs ofthe deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain hadstopped falling from the sky.
3 The water recededsteadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water hadgone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountainsof Ararat.
5Thewaters continued torecede until the tenth month, and on the firstdayof the tenth month the tops ofthe mountains became visible.

And lastly you admid that  "Bible did say the ark rested on mt.ararat"

thanks again wlio. Its mountains of ararat. You have proven many times over that the Bible is correct.

My reply to you, don't you think you contridacted your question ?
Now look who is liar ( christian man like you )


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[ Last edited by  WLIO at 1-3-2007 05:06 PM ]

Debmey

Nope, you manipulated my words. The Bible is correct, the ark landed on the mountains of ararat, not mount ararat.

what else?

eastrun

Debmey, like I say before, SInce the Holy Quran never mentioned whether the flood is localised or not, so it is not sure for that.Whether it is localised or not that is not important, but the most important thing is the moral of the story.Where Allah gave punishment to those who against Him.Like He did to Firaun, like he did to those who tried to kill Jesus and etc.

Yes...it is how Allah showed His power and how he punished the peoples who rejected the faith:

"Because of their sins they were drowned (in the flood), and were made to enter the Fire (of Punishment): and they found- in lieu of Allah- none to help them"
(Surah Nuh 7:25)

No..I am right...read the Bible..in both language Malay and English.The Christian scholars contradicted each other in translating the words and changed the meaning of the verse. You said you didn't know Malay language, but I don't think so..because you wrote MANGLISH...got lah...lah lah...So, stop acting lah.

Debmey

So why do you muslims teach a localised flood and insist on it?

The Bible is clear, the ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. It is you people who have a comprehension problem.

cheers

Originally posted by Debmey at 1-3-2007 10:32 PM
So why do you muslims teach a localised flood and insist on it?

The Bible is clear, the ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. It is you people who have a comprehension problem.

cheers

Still alive.... very lively is this thread.
Its the same on both side stressing on artifacts that cannot be proven.... historically or scientifically I mean.
Do I have the answer how many mountains Ararat have? Because you confirmed its plural.

Debmey

whats your point? So what if you know how many mountains are in the mountain range?

WLIO

Originally posted by Debmey at 1-3-2007 09:09 PM
Nope, you manipulated my words. The Bible is correct, the ark landed on the mountains of ararat, not mount ararat.

what else?

Who say I manipulate your words, please show me where.
please browse back your question.
This is your question ---->> Bible did not say the ark rested on mt.ararat itself

QUOTE:
Even the Quranic version of where the final resting place ofNoah arc which is Mt Judi has been described by scientists as more accuratethan Mt Ararat as most people believed..

Wrong, the Bible did not say the ark rested on mt.ararat itself. Shows younever read the Bible yourself.
The location ofmt.judi itself is confusing.

This is my reply I quote from your bible ------>>>>

New International Version  

1But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the live stock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.
2 Now the springs oft he deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenthday of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5Thewaters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.


and here are more from your bible, you can choose which one you like and suit you

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Genesis 8:4

NASB: In the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. ([url=http://www.lockman.org/]NASB

Debmey

Absolutely. The ark rested on the mountains of ararat, not mt.Ararat itself.
You prove me point. Thank you.