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by Obersliutenant
you dont geddit do you ? those Names are His words
His word eh? He speaks Arabic, eh? Which means your god don't speak in any other language, only in Arabic. Anyone who say the same word in other language should be treated as herectic because they have made "idols" by duplicating His name from Arabic language. ;)
to Sephiroth , non-hindus dont have a God and everyone else is an atheist~
Even if they deny it he still wants to believe so, well too bad, rationality and reason doesnt speak on behalf of those who force their words down the throats of others
Its even a bigger joke to see you claiming to be in the side of tolerance , when your behaviour speaks exactly the opposite...
You don't get it, do you?
God is not with you because you are Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist or Jew. God is with you because you LIVE FOR HIM. Jews are not Jews because they follow Moses's Laws; they are Jews because they LIVE FOR HIM by using Jewish laws.
The reason why I say God is not with you (Muslims) because you do not live for Him; you live to go to Heaven and to enjoy its reward. That is the purpose of your existence. |
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so This World is EVERYTHING TO YOU ? is that it?
I believe that The world and the hereafter is inter-connected, What you do in this world matters in the next.. our deeds will be recorded and when the day comes where all assemble to be judged, the wrongdoers and gooders will be sorted out accordingly .. isnt that the basic rule of justice? criminals go to hell and the good get rewards...
how well do you understand our intention when helping others? living for God ? i'd like to hear from you on this one , do elaborate |
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Originally posted by Obersliutenant at 9-11-2006 02:00 PM
to Sephiroth , non-hindus dont have a God and everyone else is an atheist~
Even if they deny it he still wants to believe so, well too bad, rationality and reason doesnt speak on behalf of th ...
Well-said.Couldn't agree more.Btw,why bother wasting your intellect on someone like Sephiroth..hehe |
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yeh youre right...worst people are those blaring rhetoric and huff and puff between sentences... mann they look funny... |
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by Obersliutenant
I believe that The world and the hereafter is inter-connected, What you do in this world matters in the next.. our deeds will be recorded and when the day comes where all assemble to be judged, the wrongdoers and gooders will be sorted out accordingly .. isnt that the basic rule of justice? criminals go to hell and the good get rewards...
how well do you understand our intention when helping others? living for God ? i'd like to hear from you on this one , do elaborate
EVERYTHING you do in this Life, IS for the Reward in Afterlife, NOT FOR GOD. You can say all you want, bottomline - you have FAILED God's expectation and therefore, Muslims are failed race.
We live for God, you live for your Heaven and its 72 virgins. Elaborating anything to you is a waste of time because you will not understand what Living for Sake of God means. A materialistic people like yours will not understand Spiritualism. :no:
by vixen
Well-said.Couldn't agree more.Btw,why bother wasting your intellect on someone like Sephiroth..hehe
Go hang yourself, Atheist. ;) |
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can i call you a racist now please?
why do you think Muslims are that stupid, dont you know its against the divine rule to limite ourselves to just praying, i recalled a story once about this dood who did that literarily.. he isolated himself from his family and society , lived alone and prayed untill he died...when he reached God, he was sent to heaven but God commanded him to go to neraka ... why? please sum the logic yourself..
what do arrogant people like you understand about anything?
[ Last edited by Obersliutenant at 10-11-2006 10:37 AM ] |
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by Obersliutenant
can i call you a racist now please?
You call me whatever you like. That is your rights.
Whether I could allow it to effect me, that is my rights. |
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by Seph
EVERYTHING you do in this Life, IS for the Reward in Afterlife, NOT FOR GOD. You can say all you want, bottomline - you have FAILED God's expectation and therefore, Muslims are failed race.
Soo.... GOD just sit and watch? hehehehe...
If you live not for God. Then why need sculpture, stone, idols and say it Image of GOD?
Seph, you not answer properly my question yet.
Why you create illustration or image or idols to represent God Image and bow to it or worship it even though you NOT EVEN SEEN GOD.
ANY Reference in your scripture that telling about God Image so you can create one?
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Sigh ... how many times you want to repeat the same thing?
I have already stated - You live for Rewards, We life for God. What else is there to say?
Apa? Tak puas? Nak gaduh? <_< |
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For Sephy:-
You speak your mind dontcha? Now speak on these issues.
1. YOU S AY YOU CAN HEAR GOD. HOW DO YOU HEAR HIM?
2. YOU SAY MOSLEMS DO NOT HAVE A GOD. PROVE IT.
3. YOU SAY YOU LIVE FOR GOD. HOW DO YOU DO IT?
4. YOU SAY MOSLEMS LIVE FOR THE AFTERLIFE, BUT WHAT WE DO HERE IN THIS PLANE OF LIFE AFFECTS US THERE. HOW ABOUT YOU ? SO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE HERE AND THERE. TELL ME HOW YOU MANAGE THAT ?
ARI FUZZMAN |
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Originally posted by Sephiroth at 10-11-2006 10:52 AM
Sigh ... how many times you want to repeat the same thing?
I have already stated - You live for Rewards, We life for God. What else is there to say?
Apa? Tak puas? Nak gaduh? <_<
Ish.. ish ..ish
Bukan nak gaduh.. Cuma nak explanation yang betul dan bernas.
Live for God not an answer for what I ask.
Why you create illustration or image or idols to represent God Image and bow to it or worship it even though you NOT EVEN SEEN GOD.
ANY Reference in your scripture that telling about God Image so you can create one?
Im not ask you, you live for who.
Thats become simple question if you know your believe. |
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by Fuzzman
You speak your mind dontcha? Now speak on these issues.
The issues mentioned below have already spoken, but I will recap it for you. ;)
1. YOU S AY YOU CAN HEAR GOD. HOW DO YOU HEAR HIM?
With your Heart, whatelse?
2. YOU SAY MOSLEMS DO NOT HAVE A GOD. PROVE IT.
Muslims already stated that they live for the Reward. What else is there for proof?
3. YOU SAY YOU LIVE FOR GOD. HOW DO YOU DO IT?
By LIVING properly.
4. YOU SAY MOSLEMS LIVE FOR THE AFTERLIFE, BUT WHAT WE DO HERE IN THIS PLANE OF LIFE AFFECTS US THERE. HOW ABOUT YOU ? SO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE HERE AND THERE. TELL ME HOW YOU MANAGE THAT ?
Simple ... BY NOT CARING FOR THE REWARD.
One who has God will not care whether he will go to Heaven or whether he goes to Hell. ALL he will care is whether he have lived for God and God ALONE.
If today you pray, fast and memorize your scriptures as asked in your religion, then tomorrow God send you to Hell, are you going to turn and deny God to exist just because you did not get the Heaven which you seek? :stp:
If you deny God for not giving you Heaven; Accept God for not giving you Hell - then what you have is not Faith but Fear of Hell and Self-Indulgement of Heaven. Maybe your religion is like that, Mine is not. :no: |
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by i212
Live for God not an answer for what I ask.
Who care what you asked for? That is the ONLY answer available - whether you wish to take it or not. Do you think I should find answers you could like, just for your benefict?
Why you create illustration or image or idols to represent God Image and bow to it or worship it even though you NOT EVEN SEEN GOD.
ANY Reference in your scripture that telling about God Image so you can create one?
And why should I ask you when you failed to answer mine on why your god have 99 names when you claim that god is one?
Im not ask you, you live for who.
Thats become simple question if you know your believe.
Then what do you ask? :stp: |
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Live for afterlife not thinking of reward from God?
hmmm.. funny...
Your people live their hard to do good deeds or pray hard in order to GET GOOD karma in afterlife.
Sinner will make their afterlife miserable and
Good doers maker their afterlife wonderfull.
Ever heard Sami or priest that Meditate for very long time just to make themself achive Nirvana or very close to GOD or maybe become "Devva"?
Did they live for Reward or for God or for Living. 
Is that one you say you live not for Reward? ... heheheheh...
Actually, you also live for reward. but the reward is different, not Hell or Heaven but Good or Bad afterlife.
and wait.... GOOD or BAD AFTERLIFE also have same logic with HELL and HEAVEN. |
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by i212
Live for afterlife not thinking of reward from God?
hmmm.. funny...
To Godless people, it is funny. ;)
Your people live their hard to do good deeds or pray hard in order to GET GOOD karma in afterlife.
Sinner will make their afterlife miserable and
Good doers maker their afterlife wonderfull.
Ever heard Sami or priest that Meditate for very long time just to make themself achive Nirvana or very close to GOD or maybe become "Devva"?
Did they live for Reward or for God or for Living.
Good and bad merit is used to generate new bodies for reincarnation - NOT find God. Those who reach Heaven in Hindusm will still return back to Earth (or other plains) to be born.
Not all who goes to Hell are Sinners and Not all who are in Heaven are Sages. That is lesson in Hindusm (and Buddhism).
Is that one you say you live not for Reward? ... heheheheh...
Actually, you also live for reward. but the reward is different, not Hell or Heaven but Good or Bad afterlife.
and wait.... GOOD or BAD AFTERLIFE also have same logic with HELL and HEAVEN.
Wrong ... we believe in Reincarnation, not shaking our legs in some brothel. We LIVE again and again to purify ourselves and reach God, you live so you can "poke" some prostitute again and again. ;) |
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by Seph
Good and bad merit is used to generate new bodies for reincarnation - NOT find God. Those who reach Heaven in Hindusm will still return back to Earth (or other plains) to be born.
Not all who goes to Hell are Sinners and Not all who are in Heaven are Sages. That is lesson in Hindusm (and Buddhism).
Aik... still have heaven and hell?
by Seph
Wrong ... we believe in Reincarnation, not shaking our legs in some brothel. We LIVE again and again to purify ourselves and reach God, you live so you can "poke" some prostitute again and again.
hehehhe.... so... when you not happy now, you blamming you past live?.. kehkehekhe
pursue for good afterlife. sound like want some reward tooo.... hehehehe... |
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by Seph
And why should I ask you when you failed to answer mine on why your god have 99 names when you claim that god is one?
I think I already answer it.. maybe you ignore it.. so I answer it again.
Why 99 names?... Those nome NOT represent GOD IMAGE, its the Attributes that Allah Have.
The All-Knower,The Most Oft-Frogiving, The Merciful.... etc.
The names are Praise for Allah.
Is like when you say GOD is POWERFULL. Its show that you praise Him or its your view of God Greatness.
I think the list of the names already posted within this thread, and when you read the meaning, its are list of what we believe Allah attributes.(its the MOST thing.)
And all the names are extracted from Quran itself.
And now your turn to answer.
Why you create illustration or image or idols to represent God Image and bow to it or worship it even though you NOT EVEN SEEN GOD.
ANY Reference in your scripture that telling about God Image so you can create one?
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Originally posted by Sephiroth at 10-11-2006 11:05 AM:
1. YOU SAY YOU CAN HEAR GOD. HOW DO YOU HEAR HIM?
With your Heart, whatelse?
That's more like being in contact with your inner conscience. Many people have that when in deep meditation or calm. It's just the classic case of you speakin to yourself. If you had said that you can hear God in a external fashion, then only do you have a case of direct contact.
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 10-11-2006 11:05 AM:
2. YOU SAY MOSLEMS DO NOT HAVE A GOD. PROVE IT.
Muslims already stated that they live for the Reward. What else is there for proof?
So what is the reward? And what is the Islamic prescriptive way of obtaining it? Like you too, you do good on Earth for what? For just nothing? Tell me you do good for nothing and wish for nothing?
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 10-11-2006 11:05 AM:
3. YOU SAY YOU LIVE FOR GOD. HOW DO YOU DO IT?
By LIVING properly.
When you say you live for something. In this case living for your God, it automatically adds up to living for something or a specific cause or self-motivited regime. You just said you lived for God. Good. So what does your God give you in return for living out "properly"? You still haven't defined "properly"?
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 10-11-2006 11:05 AM:
4. YOU SAY MOSLEMS LIVE FOR THE AFTERLIFE, BUT WHAT WE DO HERE IN THIS PLANE OF LIFE AFFECTS US THERE. HOW ABOUT YOU ? SO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE HERE AND THERE. TELL ME HOW YOU MANAGE THAT ?
Simple ... BY NOT CARING FOR THE REWARD. One who has God will not care whether he will go to Heaven or whether he goes to Hell. ALL he will care is whether he have lived for God and God ALONE.If today you pray, fast and memorize your scriptures as asked in your religion, then tomorrow God send you to Hell, are you going to turn and deny God to exist just because you did not get the Heaven which you seek? If you deny God for not giving you Heaven; Accept God for not giving you Hell - then what you have is not Faith but Fear of Hell and Self-Indulgement of Heaven. Maybe your religion is like that, Mine is not.
I personally think you speak for yourself on this matter and I know all humans live out good for a better After-life. That's the motivation. Living out good is the instrument to get there. I have yet to meet another soul [other then you of course] who "signs the contract but does not read the fine print!"
I want just one answer for this issue and goes like this:-
If you live for your God and for matters known only to Him, decides to send you to your religion's Hell, would you go willingly after knowing that you lived out a life specifically and ONLY for Him and by Him?
ARI FUZZMAN
[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 13-11-2006 09:42 AM ] |
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by i212
Aik... still have heaven and hell?
Temporary Heaven and Hell - ONLY God is permanent, not Heaven or Hell.
hehehhe.... so... when you not happy now, you blamming you past live?.. kehkehekhe
pursue for good afterlife. sound like want some reward tooo.... hehehehe...
No, I know what is wrong with me NOW and fix it. Like what I said earlier, you don't remember the past so you can blame it.
Why 99 names?... Those nome NOT represent GOD IMAGE, its the Attributes that Allah Have.
The All-Knower,The Most Oft-Frogiving, The Merciful.... etc.
The names are Praise for Allah.
Why do your god needs names? Who assigns this names? Muhammad?
Does this means your god didn't have this name before Muhammad, OR no one praise your god before? ;)
Is like when you say GOD is POWERFULL. Its show that you praise Him or its your view of God Greatness.
I think the list of the names already posted within this thread, and when you read the meaning, its are list of what we believe Allah attributes.(its the MOST thing.)
And all the names are extracted from Quran itself.
Oh ... all this names comes from Al Quran ... which means your god was names less and attributes-less before Al Quran, eh? ;)
Why you create illustration or image or idols to represent God Image and bow to it or worship it even though you NOT EVEN SEEN GOD.
ANY Reference in your scripture that telling about God Image so you can create one?
Same can be asked about you - why give names to some god who you never seen before? :cak: |
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by Fuzzman
That's more like being in contact with your inner conscience. Many people have that when in deep meditation or calm. It's just the classic case of you speakin to yourself. If you had said that you can hear God in a external fashion, then only do you have a case of direct contact.
And does one's "inner conscious" tell you when disaster like earthquake going to struck, Fuzzy? ;)
So what is the reward? And what is the Islamic prescriptive way of obtaining it? Like you too, you do good on Earth for what? For just nothing? Tell me you do good for nothing and wish for nothing?
I do good FOR GOD and EXPECT NOTHING from Him. Thank you. 
When you say you live for something. In this case living for your God, it automatically adds up to living for something or a specific cause or self-motivited regime. You just said you lived for God. Good. So what does your God give you in return for living out "properly"? You still haven't defined "properly"?
I don't need to do anything JUST so you can confuse yourself. Just fine by me saying - I live for God and that's enough. You want something on top of something on top of something like a house of cards, that's your wish, not mine. ;)
I personally think you speak for yourself on this matter and I know all humans live out good for a better After-life. That's the motivation. Living out good is the instrument to get there. I have yet to meet another soul [other then you of course] who "signs the contract but does not read the fine print!"
Godless people read the fine print, because they don't trust anyone and they live solely for themselves. To trust or not to trust is not written in words, it is written on the faces of people who claims to speak the truth. One look on your face and I could know whether you speak the truth or false. So why do I need to read anything else? ;)
I want just one answer for this issue and goes like this:-
If you live for your God and for matters known only to Him, decides to send you to your religion's Hell, would you go willingly after knowing that you lived out a life specifically and ONLY for Him and by Him?
Yes, if God choose me to go to Hell, to Hell with me. My faith in Him will not be diminished. :no: |
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Post time 9-11-2006 02:25 PM
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