JESUS VS PAUL # where to pray?

Debmey

everyone can pray on his own, no need to hear imam's singing.
It makes muslims hypocrites like Jesus taught.

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 21-10-2006 01:08 AM
everyone can pray on his own, no need to hear imam's singing.
It makes muslims hypocrites like Jesus taught.

You cant compare the way you pray with muslims. The procedures have to be properly abide. Yes, muslims can pray at home also (except friday prayer), but it is more advisable to pray at mosque. The symbolism of prayers is not only the interaction matters between oneself and God, but also among other disciples and God as a whole.

Debmey

and that procedure is hypocritical, thats the problem.

vitruvian_man

In christian all i can see praying is just the same with wishing.

But in Islam, there're solat ( praying), doa (wishing)...praying is when we're praising Allah and also we remind ourself of Allah's interdict.better to be done in a group bcause it strengthen the community and create unity. And of course, where there's a group, there's a leader.Imam take a lead by read out loud as it is a commemeration to imam himself and the followers.You must have heard before the best way to memorize things is by read something out loud because you're using your senses as maximum as it can.So this is why Imam read it out loud.To make himself and the others to remember.

Doa (wishing) is when we're asking something from Allah.We can also repent ourself in the doa.Doa is where you better done it alone.

p/s: You just love to make a weird assumption and jump to conclusion didn't you?

Debmey

call it what you want, it is still hypocritical.

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 21-10-2006 01:33 AM
and that procedure is hypocritical, thats the problem.

Some people might do that just for the show that they are more islamic than others. I cant deny that.
But the procedures and the essence of prayer cant be simply from the heart itself. It work both ways, mentally & physically submit to God. It is also can be considered as light exercise... good for blood circulation. I really cant see any corelation with hypocrisy here.

vitruvian_man

Originally posted by Debmey at 21-10-2006 01:36 AM
call it what you want, it is still hypocritical.

i bet u don't even understand what is hypocrite

TAMAM

weh debmey... ko tak taubat lagi ke?? ko ni... tak respek kat Pope walau konon defend kristian.. lepas tu kutuk-kutuk Islam pulak.. taubat nasuha lah wei... ajal maut bila-bila je boleh sampai..

Originally posted by Debmey at 21-10-2006 01:08 AM
everyone can pray on his own, no need to hear imam's singing.
It makes muslims hypocrites like Jesus taught.

Ringing church bells calling worshippers.











Church choir singing hymns together with church attendees.  Why cant the attendees just pray on their own, why must sing hymns together with the priest?

Debmey so shallow.  Mengata orang dia yang lebih.

TAMAM

sebenarnya ada pantun dia tu samerosie... takpe.. biar aku berpantun eh..

paku dulang paku serpih, cakap orang dia yang lebih... haaa baru complete macam tu..

Debmey

Is ringng bell praying?

Those worshipers do not turn their loudspeakers outwards, so how can they be hypocrites like Muslims?

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 21-10-2006 07:39 PM
Is ringng bell praying?

Those worshipers do not turn their loudspeakers outwards, so how can they be hypocrites like Muslims?

Turn loudspeaker outward is to call azan mr.debmey dear, not praying. Loudspeaker only involved inward when praying. Understand first before issue any statement, please dont assume about other religion if you dont understand what's the essence. You can ask...you can learn, but do your own assumption will reflect your stupidity

Debmey

same as prayer no matter what you call it.
If muslims are pious, there is no need for loudspeaker for reminder would there?
The azan is a signal to all that muslims are praying, thats exactly the type of prayer hypocrite that Jesus spoke out against.

vitruvian_man

Is ringng bell praying?

no..but it's hypocrites!hahaha.. :lol

Those worshipers do not turn their loudspeakers outwards, so how can they be hypocrites like Muslims?

Nor do us muslims.We just turn the loudspeaker when it's time for azan.When it's time for praying, inward speaker is used.You should study first which one is azan and which one is praying.Dont jump into conclusion so fast!

Anyway, Debmey, off all the 4 pages of these  topic.Where's your answer to the topic?Forget about loudspeaker for a while :lol.
When people ask, we answer.Not by changing  the topic and trying to insult instead.Are you hypocrite?

Debmey

Yep, you have your speakers face outwards to tell people that you are praying. Thats exactly the type of prayer hypocrite that Jesus spoke out against.

vitruvian_man

Originally posted by Debmey at 22-10-2006 12:55 AM
Yep, you have your speakers face outwards to tell people that you are praying. Thats exactly the type of prayer hypocrite that Jesus spoke out against.

Nope, we got speaker outwards to invite all muslims to come and pray at the mosque.Dont use the word hypocrite when u're not educated enough to use it please.

Debmey

Invite to pray? What for? Aren't they supposed to know when to pray themselves?

Why shld non muslims or muslism who don't like to pray have to hear your invitation at all?

Originally posted by Debmey at 22-10-2006 12:59 AM
Invite to pray? What for? Aren't they supposed to know when to pray themselves?

Why shld non muslims or muslism who don't like to pray have to hear your invitation at all?

So then why should the church rings the bell to invite church goers into the church and tell them it's time to pray?

why should non Christians or Christians who don't like to pray have to hear the bells ringing at all?

Why are you so shallow Debmey?  Were you dropped as a baby?  You can't even differentiate the calling to prayers and the actual praying at all.  The Azan is similar to the church ringing of the bells.  If the azan is an actual prayer, then the church ringing of the bells is also an actual prayer for the Christians by your own logic.  What do you do in church when there's a sermon Debmey?  Sleep?  Oh I know, you go to mass only to check out the girls or boys whatever your preference is LOL.

Please don't try to make yourself intelligent, we all know what half a brain you have.  Too much Newater I guess, if you know what I mean guys.  LOL

vitruvian_man

Originally posted by samerosie at 22-10-2006 12:40 PM


So then why should the church rings the bell to invite church goers into the church and tell them it's time to pray?

why should non Christians or Christians who don't like to pray have to he ...

well guys, i don't think it's of any use for us to argue or explain more with debmey.He know nothing about our solat(prayer), doa(wishing), azan (caller/reminder) but yet he still wanted to argue. No need to explain about it because he'll just sticked with his very pathetic and shallow argument.So let's us not continue with this argument anymore.It's just a waste of our time. because from the start debmey wasn't interested in the topic.We can see it throughout all o this 4-page topics.So let us just ignore it until there's a post that is related to the topic.

Debmey

Originally posted by samerosie at 22-10-2006 12:40 PM

So then why should the church rings the bell to invite church goers into the church and tell them it's time to pray?
.

Only very old churches have bells.
The are sounded not for prayers but for events such as celebrations and served as a clock for rural communities.
Church nowadays don't have bells, unlike islam where all new mosq






why should non Christians or Christians who don't like to pray have to hear the bells ringing at all?

Why are you so shallow Debmey?  Were you dropped as a baby?  You can't even differentiate the calling to prayers and the actual praying at all.  The Azan is similar to the church ringing of the bells.  If the azan is an actual prayer, then the church ringing of the bells is also an actual prayer for the Christians by your own logic.  What do you do in church when there's a sermon Debmey?  Sleep?  Oh I know, you go to mass only to check out the girls or boys whatever your preference is LOL.

Please don't try to make yourself intelligent, we all know what half a brain you have.  Too much Newater I guess, if you know what I mean guys.  LOL