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[Tempatan] Menteri adalah malaikat? - Chedet 2018

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Post time 9-12-2018 12:02 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
VioletsAre_Blue replied at 8-12-2018 07:23 PM
"Kami bukan sempurna. Walaupun banyak kalangan kami ini malaikat (angels), tetapi malaikat pun bol ...

Dlm konteks english language, angels merujuk pada perbuatan baik, org baik2, bila direct translation menjadikan nya konotasi negatif dlm bahasa melayu, hehe
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:03 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Buritan replied at 8-12-2018 11:50 PM
Kalo u non muslim ok.. i accept but kalo u muslim better watchout.. ini soal akidah..

LOL. Mmg kena watchout pun sebab td I tak pegi ICERD punya perhimpunan. Ada ulamak lobai update yg terbaru kalau pegi ICERD dosa sbb tak buat fardhu ain
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:16 AM | Show all posts
Metana replied at 8-12-2018 11:39 PM
Betul aku setuju Tun M merujuk pada metafora.

Kerajaan baru beberapa bulan tp masyarakat dah ex ...

i bukan back up TDM ye i lebih kepada menyatakan even si Iblis pun boleh ingat janjinya sampai kiamat ...

tang expectation tu, i tak leh nak kata apa sebab org masih bernostalgia tentang PM4 dan Asian financial crises. tapi keadaan berbeza sekarang, di mana isu ratifikasi yg kurang priority ditimbulkan sedangkan fokus ialah ekonomi.
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:18 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 9-12-2018 12:16 AM
i bukan back up TDM ye i lebih kepada menyatakan even si Iblis pun boleh ingat janjinya sampai kia ...

Isu meraktifikasi tu timbul waktu soalan dalam parlimen. KJ yg tnya kan?
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:18 AM | Show all posts
pyropura replied at 8-12-2018 11:59 PM
Kalau nabi penah buat silap kan?

contoh Adam AS ke itu qadar dan qada Allah memang nak lantik Adam as khalifah

so abab tu terpulang pada Allah swt

yg rasul maksum

dan kalau nak terbuat atau masih membuat Allah SWT dah rakam dalam al quran surah abasa dan at tahrim ( i stand corrected though)

sebab ALlah akan tegur direct.

sebab tu kena percaya hadis yg sahih dan apa yg daripada rasulullah saw
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:23 AM | Show all posts
Buritan replied at 8-12-2018 11:40 PM
Are u sure malaikat buat silap..

u percaya dia hahahaha no lah harut dan marut tu tak buat silap lah.

kalau kita setuju dengan di aseolah olah kita nak tunjukkan Allah tu pulak buat silap sedangkan nauzubillah ALLAH ITU AL KAMAL ,  yg maha sempurna
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:24 AM | Show all posts
Metana replied at 9-12-2018 12:18 AM
Isu meraktifikasi tu timbul waktu soalan dalam parlimen. KJ yg tnya kan?

KJ kira yg bebaru ni kot tapi seepas 9 Mei ....ke atas dah ada beberapa statement oeh pemimpin PH sendiri.
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:31 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 9-12-2018 12:24 AM
KJ kira yg bebaru ni kot tapi seepas 9 Mei ....ke atas dah ada beberapa statement oeh pemimpin PH  ...

Benda ni dh lama mod. Bagus le isu ni dihighlightkan balik. Nak harapkan org mesia faham apa yg malaysia dah raktifikasi kat UN selama ni mmg idok le. Yg pi perhimpunan pun entah paham ke idok apa yg dorang laungkan. Belum raktifikasi lain yg malaysia belum sign lg
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:43 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Metana replied at 9-12-2018 12:31 AM
Benda ni dh lama mod. Bagus le isu ni dihighlightkan balik. Nak harapkan org mesia faham apa yg ma ...


Yg join demo tu paham icerd based on andaian2 aje, not via academic discourse. Sebab tu depa bukan main takut 153 akan dihapus. Dia ingat nak pinda Perlembagaan macam ganti spenda kot. Buku utang 555 pun tak mudah nak ubah2
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:44 AM | Show all posts
Metana replied at 9-12-2018 12:31 AM
Benda ni dh lama mod. Bagus le isu ni dihighlightkan balik. Nak harapkan org mesia faham apa yg ma ...

i think,kalau siapa cakna tentang islam isu COMANGO, UN ReviewS of human Rights  yg mana gang PPIM atau one or two NGOs Islam pi ke geneva  dah tahu apa ICERD , ICCPR, ICESCR, ICERD and CAT
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Post time 9-12-2018 12:47 AM | Show all posts
pyropura replied at 9-12-2018 12:43 AM
Yg join demo tu paham icerd based on andaian2 aje, not via academic discourse. Sebab tu depa buk ...

jadi bekas ketua hakim pun u kata lebih tak pandai dari u ke?
gitu ke as in ' not an academic discourse'??
Isu ICERD
Ada yang berpandangan Article 1.4 membuka ruang kepada Malaysia untuk terus melaksanakan ‘affirmative actions’ seperti keistimewaan kepada Bumiputra, kedudukan istimewa Islam dan Raja Raja Melayu. Saya tidak bersetuju dengan pandangan ini kerana jika kita lihat proviso Article 1.4 ada menjelaskan bahawa ‘provided, however, that such measures do not, as a consequence, lead to the maintenance of separate rights for different racial groups and that they shall not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved.’
Mengikut proviso tersebut ia mestilah tidak menjuruskan kepada hak berasingan kepada kumpulan kaum berbeza dan ia hanya boleh berterusan sehingga objektifnya telah tercapai. Kedua dua syarat ini tidak diamalkan di Malaysia dan ia bercanggah dengan peruntukan Perlembagaan Persekutuan.
Di Malaysia orang Islam dan orang bukan Islam mempunyai undang undang berbeza dalam beberapa aspek seperti undang undang keluarga, perwarisan, kesalahan melanggar perintah agama Islam dan beberapa perkara lain. Malah hak keistimewaan Bumiputera juga tidak ditetapkan tempohnya.
Hal ini tidak melayakkan Malaysia melaksanakan affirmative actions seperti proviso Article 1.4 tersebut.
Saya lampirkan keseluruhan Article 1 ICERD di bawah-
Article 1
1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
2. This Convention shall not apply to distinctions, exclusions, restrictions or preferences made by a State Party to this Convention between citizens and non-citizens.
3. Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as affecting in any way the legal provisions of States Parties concerning nationality, citizenship or naturalization, provided that such provisions do not discriminate against any particular nationality.
4. Special measures taken for the sole purpose of securing adequate advancement of certain racial or ethnic groups or individuals requiring such protection as may be necessary in order to ensure such groups or individuals equal enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms shall not be deemed racial discrimination, provided, however, that such measures do not, as a consequence, lead to the maintenance of separate rights for different racial groups and that they shall not be continued after the objectives for which they were taken have been achieved.
Oleh kerana terdapat perbezaan pandangan saya sarankan pihak yang mengatakan ia tidak menjejaskan Perlembagaan Persekutuan mendapatkan jaminan daripada 18 pakar yang ditubuhkan dalam Article 8. Sekiranya mereka memberi jaminan tersebut, barulah tuntas hujah mereka. Jangan hanya menafikan sahaja tetapi kesannya nanti tidak dapat dijangkakan.
Sekiranya tiada jaminan ini negara berisiko dirujuk ke ICJ kerana tidak mematuhi ICERD setelah diratifikasi.
Say no to ICERD ratification!!!







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Post time 9-12-2018 01:00 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 9-12-2018 12:47 AM
jadi bekas ketua hakim pun u kata lebih tak pandai dari u ke?
gitu ke as in ' not an academic dis ...

Ex CJ ni jelas2 very political, ramai colleague dia dah tegur, so tulisannya di intepretasi ikut political orientation dia, bias
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:02 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Ada ka malaikat (selain dr iblis) yg buat silap???
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:12 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Malaikat mana ada buat silap. Malaikat buat kerja arahan terus dari Allah swt. Jadi takde kesilapan. Sepatutnye ayat dia....kami ni manusia biasa ada buat kesilapan, yang tak buat silap adalah Malaikat.  

Jangan samakan manusia dengan Malaikat...silap tu. Kalau manusia disamakn dgn syaitan aku percaya sebab banyak je manusia perangai kalah syaitan.
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:27 AM | Show all posts
pyropura replied at 9-12-2018 01:00 AM
Ex CJ ni jelas2 very political, ramai colleague dia dah tegur, so tulisannya di intepretasi ikut p ...

alaa kalau ikut you statement Dr Mujahid tu lebih favours your political 's inclination ye

oh nigel
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:28 AM | Show all posts
aint replied at 9-12-2018 01:02 AM
Ada ka malaikat (selain dr iblis) yg buat silap???

tak der

malaikat tu tak ade nafsu pun , man amungkin aih tak der lah ....
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:28 AM | Show all posts
ramai dok kutuk idea kasut hitam mazlee benda remeh.
tapi perumpaaan kecik yg atok bagi tu bukan main global masing2 dok perdebatkan.

malaikat buat salah ke tidak boleh tingkatkan ekonomi ke?
boleh tingkatkan kos hidup rakyat ke?  
even kalu betul pon malaikat buat salah, uol nak buat ape??
ripot pulis?? saman??
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:31 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Mahathir ni klu dia ckp kita kena tgk body language, mimik muka nk dgr tahap kesinisan beliau. Level2 lobai mmf xblh terima sbbsejenis yg mudah tersentap. Dr ayt tu pon tau dia perli, ada org anggap menteri dia mcm malaikat. Sampai x blh bt silap. Sbb tu dia kata menteri dia malaikat. Dia sdg perli. Igt mathir tu lvl lobsi ke stkt hapal quran. Mahathir bc tafsir penuh bt nota2 .. yg kata dia jahil tu spesia tafsir ala2 lobai. Yg ikut melulu kata2 ularmak
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Post time 9-12-2018 01:36 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Wujud kah manusia se mulia dan tidak pernah buat silap seperti malaikat? Saja jee tanya

I harap uols tabbadur dengan soalan i ini .....kan ? @mbhcsf
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Post time 9-12-2018 02:58 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 9-12-2018 12:47 AM
jadi bekas ketua hakim pun u kata lebih tak pandai dari u ke?
gitu ke as in ' not an academic dis ...

Hamid ni yg dok kata dlm judgment dia defendant isle takkan nak menipu kan? Lagi mau tanya pasal credibility?
@Maideen.
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