Asik saintis Christian je jumpa benda natang ni, apa saintis muslim buat?

mbhcsf

cmf_acura posted on 7-7-2014 12:22 AM
dalam veda ada dinasor tak..tak pun alien...
kenapa ada patung lucah kat bangunan dema...yana deyyy ...

saje je tu...

boleh nampak gelagat seorang seorang

biaq pi kita tengok depa pakat tulis.

i am just observing.

bukan sehari dua kita kat forum ni.

mbhcsf

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:22 AM
Saintis muslim dulu sahaja gogih nak cari ilmu cipta ubat, kanta, dan matematik pelbagai.
Yang seka ...

tak payah generalised ye ...i do not think you know all of them.

yg ada hanyalah you nak highlight yg dulu je bagus tapi sekarang macam ape walhal u pun tak tahu semua, so tak payahlah generalised about the present scientist.

True-X

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:22 AM
Saintis muslim dulu sahaja gogih nak cari ilmu cipta ubat, kanta, dan matematik pelbagai.
Yang seka ...

agree...ni laaa yg aku nak cakap sebenarnyer....

BurningTimes

mbhcsf posted on 7-7-2014 01:27 AM
tak payah generalised ye ...i do not think you know all of them.

yg ada hanyalah you nak highli ...

So sekarang sis tahu ke yang currently saintis muslim yang bagus?
Apa yang akak kata betul apa, dulu saintis muslim banyak yang bagus sebab deorang rajin nak mencari ilmu,
Sekarang ni nak cari ilmu sikit, semuanya di cop belajar dengan yahudi.

SukaMain

ronin posted on 6-7-2014 10:23 PM
Kajian sains tidak menjanjikan kehidupan di syurga bagi cendekiawan Isle....sebab tu lebh 95% buku y ...

Sarcasm ke betul-betul percaya?

AbukRokok

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:22 AM
Saintis muslim dulu sahaja gogih nak cari ilmu cipta ubat, kanta, dan matematik pelbagai.
Yang seka ...

ibnu sina syhia..al farabi shia... al khawarizmi keturunan Parsi parsi=shia.

BurningTimes

AbukRokok posted on 7-7-2014 01:38 AM
ibnu sina syhia..al farabi shia... al khawarizmi keturunan Parsi parsi=shia.

Betul kah tu kak, tapi syiah dah sunni dah wujud kah zaman ibnu sina tu?  
Akak ingat baru baru ni sahaja baharu muncul syiah dan sunni.

cmf_acura

dok mengata...yg ko dok buat apa...dah berapa jurnal yg ko keluarkan....

AbukRokok

CiliPadiSedap posted on 6-7-2014 11:46 PM
sebab nabi adam di jadikan di tanah arab.

dinasour di jadikan di dataran johor mall

ada je dinosaur di selangor bang dam di taman mimaland dulu dulu

cmf_acura

kalau belajar sains stakat spm...tak psyah berlagak...stakat dok google....wtg..

AbukRokok

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:32 AM
So sekarang sis tahu ke yang currently saintis muslim yang bagus?
Apa yang akak kata betul apa,  ...

ada prof Zizang of unibersiti melayar pasal antartika ke hapa..... xde apa apa signifikan pun sampai skrg ini kecuali menyebabkan mat said melawat antyartika untuk melihat penguin

ultra78

Why Muslims have only few Nobel Prizes
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com ... 3&NewsCatID=411


I am not the greatest fan of Richard Dawkins, the famous Oxford professor, whose passionate atheism looks to me as a dogma in itself rather than freedom from dogmas. Yet I must I admit that he had point recently when he wrote the following on Twitter:

“All the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.”

In return, some blamed Dawkins for “racism” or Islamophobia, which I found as unfair. The man had only pointed out a fact: Muslims of the modern world have won very fewNobel Prizes, which is an indication of another and more burning fact: Muslims of the modern world have done very poorly with regards to science. And it is not just fair but also necessary to question why.

Of course, it is not just the Muslim world but in fact much of the non-Western world that has done poorly in the past five centuries in the material achievements of human civilization. The all-Christian Latin America as well, for example, has not been a beacon of scientific progress, or democracy and liberalism. “Singling out Muslims,” in that sense, would be wrong.

However, there is a particular fact about the Muslim civilization that calls for a specific focus: As Dawkins noted, “They did great things in the Middle Ages.” Between the seventh and 13th centuries Muslim scientists and philosophers were the most erudite and productive ones in the world. That is why they invented so many things, some of which were exported to the West, and can easily be traced today in English words with Arabic roots. A short list would include algebra, alchemy, alkali, almanac, amalgam, alembic, admiral, alcove, mask, muslin, nadir, zenith, tariff, sugar, syrup, checkmate, lute and guitar. (And, of course, there are also the Arabic numerals.)

That is why Martin Kramer, an American historian, argues, “Had there been Nobel Prizes in 1000, they would have gone almost exclusively to Moslems.”

In short, it is really worth asking why Muslims were doing so well a thousand years ago, whereas they are doing so poorly today. This, of course, is a famous and complicated question with no simple answer. If there were any simple answer, I would root it in the decline of the Middle Eastern economy because of the tectonic shifts in world trade. But there is also something to do with the common Muslim mind as well. Muslims were quite successful a millennium ago, because they had formed a cosmopolitan civilization that did not shy away from being open to foreign cultures, such as Ancient Greece, Eastern Christianity, Judaism, Persia, India or China. Muslim intellectuals were confident about their faith and hence did not see a problem in learning from non-Muslim sources of knowledge and synthesizing them with Islam.

However, today’s common Muslim mind, including the intellectual Muslim mind, is quite insular, and is focused on protecting an “Islamic” (and quite closed) mental sphere from influences from the outside world. The result is a defensive culture that refuses to engage with the ideas of “the unbelievers,” and therefore only repeats what it has learned from its own forebears. If we Muslims want more Nobel Prizes – and all the knowledge, sophistication and success that they imply – we must begin with challenging this closed-mindedness, and strive to have more open minds.

August/14/2013

CiliPadiSedap

AbukRokok posted on 7-7-2014 12:41 AM
ada je dinosaur di selangor bang dam di taman mimaland dulu dulu

kau jangan sampai kaka cungkil biji mata kau kaka bukan adamjuta ria

mbhcsf

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:32 AM
So sekarang sis tahu ke yang currently saintis muslim yang bagus?
Apa yang akak kata betul apa,  ...

i know some and they are doing good work. Ada dua Nobel Prize winners . Abdus Salam , and yg Zewail.
Demis

cuma i nak tekankan di sini elaklah dari nak generalised.

ada orang marah kat ISLAM - tapi yg jadi mangsa ISLAM tu sndiri dengan hanya bermodalkan segelintir salah laku penganut. even salah laku tu pun ken atengok ya ka?
or hanya berasaskan propaganda. sedangkan definisi pengganaz tu pun berubah dan relatif dan terpilih.

tak kisah pun side issues yg org islam belajar dari yahudi ni bukan isu ni posting u kan dan bukan hal yg dibincangkan.

mbhcsf

ultra78 posted on 7-7-2014 12:44 AM
Why Muslims have only few Nobel Prizes
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/why-muslims-have-only-few-n ...

define  epistemology  atau falsafah ilmu islam

define  adakah Sains itu ilmu mutlak


sebab saudara highlite tang pemikiran

untuk minda terbuka


jangan salah sangka ya saudara

saudara juga kena sedar meta dan kerangka pemikiran

bezakan

nak urban thinking?

atau

kerangka pemikiran sains sekarang adakah yg mutlak

sila sila kita kupas

sebab you pandai highlight so let us discuss

apakah sains itu mutlak ?

apa kah sains itu boleh menerangkan semuanya?

saudara saya rasa boleh juga huraikan pemikiran ( contohlah sebab you yg nak highlight tang you merakan so i nak tengok u hurai jugaklah )
pemikran mana yg berbahya ketika zaman pemikiran islam tu

ala humanisme


namakan juga aliran itu


jom bincang sebab you boleh highlight itu dan i gather you could discuss ye?

mbhcsf

ultra78 posted on 7-7-2014 12:44 AM
Why Muslims have only few Nobel Prizes
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/why-muslims-have-only-few-n ...

saudara boleh juga kaitkan di mamna

apa maqasid atau kaedah sains menurut Quran.

adakah Quran atau islam mebelakangi sains ?

tidak sama sekali


apakah yg dinamakan epistemologi atau teori pengetahuan ilmu islam

apakahsains itu bebas nilai atau bertatah nilai ( value free atau value laden)

kat mana kurangnya islam ( tak ada kurang pun )

apakah kerangka pemikiran yg saudra guna untuk menentukan open atau tak ?

mbhcsf

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 12:40 AM
Betul kah tu kak, tapi syiah dah sunni dah wujud kah zaman ibnu sina tu?  
Akak ingat baru baru ...

bila syiah ?
bila khawarij muncul

bila zaman kegemilangan ilmu  - harun ar rasyid?

apa peristiwa karbala...

BurningTimes

mbhcsf posted on 7-7-2014 01:47 AM
i know some and they are doing good work. Ada dua Nobel Prize winners . Abdus Salam , and yg Zewai ...

Nobel prize kan something you achieve atas pelajaran dan kajian ke apa sis,
Bukannya becoming a pioneer macam scientis muslim dulu gitu.

Nobel prize ramai jah dapat, yang non- muslim pun of course ramai jua.
Sekarang scientist yang bagus adalah yang jumpa sesuatu yang baru (invent something new untuk kemajuan),
Macam terjumpa material artificial ununseptium 2010 haritu ke.
None of them dah jumpa something ke apa, hanya takat nobel prize jah.

and of course they are sooo old 1990 kot sis, bukannya current punya.
Nobel prize si Zewail dapat tu pun tahun 1999 kot.

mbhcsf

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 01:00 AM
Nobel prize kan something you achieve atas pelajaran dan kajian ke apa sis,
Bukannya becoming a p ...

both of them have won the nobel prize

you?

mbhcsf

BurningTimes posted on 7-7-2014 01:00 AM
Nobel prize kan something you achieve atas pelajaran dan kajian ke apa sis,
Bukannya becoming a p ...

and i guess i could see yours published in Nature ...???

siapa kita nak menidakkan atau undermining research orang lain?