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Sperms are produced in chest not testicle ! According to Quran....
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 12:38 AM 
Those 4 criterias are valid only and only if that person does not reject Koran and Prophet Mohamma ...
You smoked weed before you respond? Your response is of a person who clearly is out of any intellectual capacity and capability.
Those 4 criterias are valid only and only if that person does not reject Koran and Prophet Mohammad.If he rejected Holy Koran and Muhammad as prophet, he can no longer be a muslim and let alone, Salafist.There are some buddhist monks and Hindu sages who fulfilled all those 4 criterias you given.Does it make Buddhist monks and sages Salafists muslims?Of course not!They dont believe in Holy Koran and Muhammad!
Al-Razi clearly rejected two of six Rukun Iman, which are the basic elements in order to be a muslim.Salafist must believe in Muhammad and Koran first before he can perform those 4 criterias.Al-Razi failed to meet that two primary conditions which is required in order to be a muslim.
You definitely has no intellectual skills to classify something into certain category, right? By applying your own logic,
I should declare right now that Mahatma Gandhi and Dalai Lama are Salafist.Indeed, all Buddhists, Hindus and Jains can be classified as Salafists as they can easily fulfilled aspect number 1,2,3 and 4 if they really follow their religion to the extreme.
Like I stated before , Al Razi abandoned what he stood for and came back to the fold of Islam as he entered public life again. Why are you arguing 'rejected the Quran' lah , 'rejected 2 of the rukun iman' lah when the fact of history stated that he had abandoned his earlier extreme position.
Ha ha , the way you argue is that A Razi never grew up and remained in a time wrap with his extreme position. Now can you explain what is a salafi? Watch out folks .... we will soo see 'prototaip' run like hell ... ha ha
With people like you , no wonder Malaysia lags in science and maths. You have lousy comprehension much less able to think critically.
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 01:05 AM
Congratulations sam1528!You have created your own classification system on how to become muslim.
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No wonder you are an atheist. You cannot think critically. You only pull out 'facts' from your rear end.
Congratulations sam1528!You have created your own classification system on how to become muslim.
I will make myself:
(1) against all forms of asceticism
(2) denied excesses of commission as well as abstinence
(3) emphasis on the controlling role of reason
(4) Pursuit of that life is to imitate God in the way possible for humankind
But I will:
(1) reject Koran as words of God.
(2) reject Muhammad and all prophets.
(3) reject existence of angels.
(4) reject the judgement day
But I still salafi muslim because I fulfill 4 aspects according to sam1528.
Wowww.....what kind of great idea our muslim apologist here made in order to make non-muslim scientist become muslim scientist. I can easily see your failure in applying logic here.
Al-Razi was against all forms of asceticism, specifically those practised by Muslims. In comparison to the ascetic model of Socrates, contemporaries faulted him for leading a public existence, marrying and having children, earning a living and enjoying the company of princes. Al-Razi, however, vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master; Socrates, he insisted, eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
In comes a dungu of an atheist , 'prototaip' , who does not even understand what the above entails and argued on the earlier position of Al Razi which the person himself later negated. 'Prototaip' is in the position that the earlier position of Al Razi was his absolute position. Is there a vacumn in your head?
Now he throws red herrings like his 4 criterias that he pulled from his rear end. Eeer tambi , the 4 criterias I listed are copied pasted from the reference whereas you are just farting thru you rmouth with your 4 criterias.
This is what happen when an atheist who lacks critical thinking thinks he can argue about Islam which he knows next to nothing but try to con his way thru. Ha ha , other atheist must cringe in horror everytime you respond.
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 01:36 AM
Well,I am done wasting time with imbecile muslim apologist here.I am going back to my real life tomo ...
Ha ha , now you are looking for an exit path? Seems like you incapable to argue with facts.
Well,I am done wasting time with imbecile muslim apologist here.I am going back to my real life tomorrow.Thanks to sam1528 because of revealing the intelligence of malay muslims in 21st century. I concluded that muslims
1) are lack of scientific knowledge and learn pseudo-science from Zakir Naik,answering-christianity and harunyahya
2) dont know what make certain sources are reliable/unreliable.
It is from wikipedia,therefore it must be 100% wrong despite of presence of credible references.
3) fail to make classification properly.
Al-Razi performed A,B,C and D. Therefore he is salafist muslim although he does not believe in Koran and Muhammad.
4) when they get cornered, use Asal Boleh Reply and personal attack techniques to win the debate.
Seriously, you are total clown sam1528. I dont even think you are graduated student from any university, let alone a straight As in SPM and graduated from oversea university like me.
Let me provide the translation of the atheist who has turned tail , 'prototaip'. Translation of 'protoaip' post :
(1) Oops I have been caught out copy paste without understanding from 'faith freedom'. To me sperm = semen in reference to Quran86:5 because Ali Sina says so. When refuted I just argue for the sake of arguing
(2) I refer to the said wikipedia despite its admission that it is incomplete as that is the only reference that I have. I die die argue on Al Razi's earlier position despite knowing that such position had been negated by him , historical facts by Dr Walker. However I have been caught out peddling a lie but I have got the push through as it has been embarrassing for me.
(3) I now give my own criteria to BS despite the historical fact that Al Razi had already negated his earlier position. Oh yeah , I do not even know what is a salafist
(4) I think I deserved to be belittled as I argue without facts aka farting thru my mouth.
Ha ha , you got straight A's in your SPM? No wonder Malaysia is lagging in science and maths. You have not displayed any form or shape in critical thinking. This is what happen when the current education system promotes rote learning and 'latih tubi'. You cannot even do a decent documentary search. All you have is the incomplete wikipedia and you are not aware of the historical fact that in the end Al Razi became a true muslim as he negated his earlier position.
Hmm , lets see the credentials of Jennifer Michael Hecht , the author you appealed to :
Hecht teaches in the Graduate Creative Writing Program at The New School in New York City. She has written two volumes of poetry and three books of non-fiction, including Doubt: A History.
Whoops , she majors in creative writing an she is not a historian. Her writing on Al Razi is just a snapshort of his life and this is the dubious 'fact' that a dungu atheist , 'protataip' , appeal to.
Lest now turn over to Dr Paul E Walker :
historian of ideas with a focus on Mediaeval Islamic History, Paul E. Walker has taught at McGill University, Columbia University and the University of Michigan. For several years Dr Walker was the Director of the American Research Centre in Egypt, and is currently a Visiting Scholar with the University of Chicago's Center for Middle Eastern Studies.
A fit and proper historian who documented the life of Al Razi. His historical research states that Al Razi abandoned his earlier extreme position later in is life and he became a muslim (a salafi) by rejoining the then public ,ie. muslim masses.
Who would you believe? A creative writer who takes a snapshot of Al Razi's life to support her atheistic principles or a fit and proper historian whose research point out that Al Razi later in life was a muslim. The answer is obvious.
No wonder you try to run when challenged. I think its time you crawl back to the hole you came from .... agree?
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 10:52 PM
Hahahaha.Read carefully again tambi.
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See folks , a person who claims that he scored straight A's in his SPM but cannot even comprehend simple english.
Hahahaha.Read carefully again tambi.
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Al-Razi, however, vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master; Socrates, he insisted, eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
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Al-Razi talked about Socrates who returned back to public life, not himself (Al-Razi).
Wowwww....kantoi lagi.Please improve your own reading comprehension,tambi.....hahahaha
I will repeat your comprehension :
Al-Razi talked about Socrates who returned back to public life, not himself (Al-Razi).
Ha ha , you mean you comprehend that Al Razi talked about Socrates returning to public life? Do you know the function of the comma and the semicolon (which I will hilite in red)
Al-Razi, however, vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master; Socrates, he insisted, eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
If such is your level of intellect / comprehension , no wonder Malaysia is lagging in science and maths. Can you go back to school , preferebly primary school and unlearn what you have learned and relearn english once again.
This is horrible .... I shudder to think that you are in the workforce ....
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:02 PM
Hahahhaha...I just caught you once again.This time you are having comprehension problem!
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Ha ha , first you got hit as you die die claiming that sperm = semen
Then you got hit again that you die die think that it is absolute that only a horizontal line can be drawn reference to an upright stance of humans which there is no medical citation.
Now you come up with this?
Hahahhaha...I just caught you once again.This time you are having comprehension problem!
PLease read your own source carefully.Who returned to public life?
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Al-Razi, however, vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master; Socrates, he insisted, eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
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He insisted = Al-Razi insisted
did return to public life = Socrates did return to public life
Is that sentence so hard to understand for you,sam1528? Go copy that extracts and ask any English teacher/expert to know the real context la dey....hahaha.
Lets go down to your level , the kindergarten level. Substitute brackets for commas and semicolon
Al-Razi (((( however) vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master) Socrates) he insisted) eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
Al-Razi
eventually did return to public life and thereafter avoided the extremes of his earlier position.
Wow! How do you expect to solve issues when you cannot even comprehend what you read? Why are you embarrassing yourself with such horrible comprehension?
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:19 PM
the semicolon ; used to connect two independent clauses.Did you know that?Hahahaha...
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Ha ha , that took you time to find out. TQ for admitting that the semicolon is to joint 2 independent clauses.
the semicolon ; used to connect two independent clauses.Did you know that?Hahahaha...
Oh,wait,wait,wait......did you know what clause is?
This is your special English lecture on how to use semicolon:
http://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/Semicolons.html
Hahaha....no other muslim dare to enter here to defend you la clown.See folks ke hulu, see folks ke hilir.Even your fellow muslim Dzulkarnain dont dare to quote me when he try to attack me.Takut kena reply balik ka incik Dzulkarnain?
About my SPM, I took SPM decades ago in year 1990. The decline of Malaysia TIMSS has nothing to do with me.But it definitely has to do with lazy malay muslims who indoctrinated their children to learn pseudo-science.
Therefore the 2 independent clauses are about
(1) vigorously denied that such asceticism was true of his ancient master
(2) socrates
What has got to do with your claim that 'socrates did return to public life'? Ha ha this is getting from bad to worse. You are already a 40 yrs old adult and yet you cannot comprehend simple english. You got straight A's in your SPM? The decline in the Malaysiaan education probably started with you.
Why should other muslim defend me as I am freely slapping you left and right and there is nothing you can do. Err , pseudo science? You mean like your (mis)understanding that sperm = semen in reference to Quran86:5?
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:28 PM
Since when I stated sperm = semen?And since when wkk stated sperm =semen? You are very good in usi ...
Hmmm , damage control?
Since when I stated sperm = semen?And since when wkk stated sperm =semen? You are very good in using strawman argument.
Hoi tambi......there is no brackets in the original source.Play Taqiyyah lagi ka, badut????
Did you read post#1? I will reproduce it for you :
since the Quran teaches that sperm comes from a man's chest (Quran 86:5-7), then this proves that Islam is false.
Since when Quran86:5 states of sperm?
Then comes along a dungu , 'prototaip' (notice the commas) , post#17
Seminal vesicles between the backbone and the ribs?Really??????Can you please tell me where did you got your basic biology education?Which Malaysia school?Which Madrasah?What happened to Malaysia education right now?Even an average A-Level student who barely passes his biology paper knows seminal vesicles is not located between backbone and ribs.
What is the natural intersect when you connect a line between the coccyx and ribs? Oops , to you the coccyx is not part of the backbone?
Ha ha , if you don't have a clue of what you are talking about , the best thing is to keep quiet. At least people have doubts of your stupidity. Once you open your mouth and blabber without knowledge , you remove all doubts others have on you.
I repeat my bit part of my post#67
Substitute brackets for commas and semicolon
Do you know the meaning of substitute? Why are you again and again embarrassing yourself with your substandard intelligence / comprehension?
You are already a 40 odd years old person , yet you are making one blunder after another. You claim you scored straight A's in your SPM. You dapat soalan bocor ka?
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:19 PM
the semicolon ; used to connect two independent clauses.Did you know that?Hahahaha...
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Quote Sam XXXX; "Ha ha , first you got hit as you die die claiming that sperm = semen."
"Then you got hit again that you die die think that it is absolute that only a horizontal line can be drawn reference to an upright stance of humans which there is no medical citation."
OMG ! Confirmed diagnosis ! This ustaz is suffering from severe dementia !
He mistaken ME as YOU !
My advice is you better stop debating with a demented ustaz, it's futile, unproductive and time consuming.....but if you feel boring, this indeed can be quite amusing and entertaining too......
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:38 PM
Seriously...you have serious english comprehension skill.Hey,adik.....balik rumah belajar betul2 l ...
I dunno man , the way you are making one blunder after another , you'll soon be the laughing stock of this forum. Now its advice time from you?
Seriously...you have serious english comprehension skill.Hey,adik.....balik rumah belajar betul2 la.Kalau tengah dok belajar kat madrasah ka, sekolah kebangsaan ka, go ask your parents to transfer you to international school.Abang harap kamu tak jadi golongan bodoh tak boleh diajar.Sejak bila koma boleh digantikan dengan 4 kurungan,adik?
I advised you really really sincere now.
I sincerely think you should take your own advice and quit when you still have the chance. Your comprehension is horrible , you and the crazy 'wkk5159' die die (mis)understand that semen = sperm.
Why do you insist in embarrassing yourself? Is it because you a 40 yrs old idiot have been freely slapped left and right by a younger muslim? Better get use to it. Its gonna be a tough life for you.
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Well here is Ali Sina forum that discussed this error.You just keep repeating the same lame arguments just like muslim guys in faithfreedom forum.By the way, I already knew about this.
Come over here if you dare to refute Koranic error.Or are you just jaguh di forum melayu?
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12725
Oh sh#tt!!!!!It is Ali Sina forum!!!!!!Run muslims run!!!! Last edited by prototaip on 29-1-2013 11:55 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 29-1-2013 11:40 PM
Quote Sam XXXX; "Ha ha , first you got hit as you die die claiming that sperm = semen."
"Then you ... Quote Sam XXXX; "Ha ha , first you got hit as you die die claiming that sperm = semen."
"Then you got hit again that you die die think that it is absolute that only a horizontal line can be drawn reference to an upright stance of humans which there is no medical citation."
OMG ! Confirmed diagnosis ! This ustaz is suffering from severe dementia !
He mistaken ME as YOU !
My advice is you better stop debating with a demented ustaz, it's futile, unproductive and time consuming.....but if you feel boring, this indeed can be quite amusing and entertaining too......
Refer to my hilite in red.
TQ , this confirm your admission of
(1) you die die (mis)understand that sperm = semen
(2) you die die (mis)understand that it is absolute a horizontal line be drawn in reference to the upright stance of humans
No wonder you die die claim Quran86:5 is in error. Hmm , comming from a 'medical professional' trying to insuinate that he is a doctor.
Quack quack
BTW , I am not taking you seriously. As far as it goes , you have destroyed your own credibility being a 'medical professional' , trying to insinuate you are a doctor , you don't even know the difference between sperm and semen. You are just a sideshow being a cheer leader jumping up and down waving your pom poms.
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prototaip posted on 29-1-2013 11:51 PM
Well here is Ali Sina forum that discussed this error.You just keep repeating the same lame argument ...
Ha ha , no more arguments about science and comprehension? You have lost and lost badly. You got slapped left and right and your cheeks must be scarlet in colour. More so your ego is in tatters. Now you issue this pathetic challenge?
Well here is Ali Sina forum that discussed this error.You just keep repeating the same lame arguments just like muslim guys in faithfreedom forum.By the way, I already knew about this.
Come over here if you dare to refute Koranic error.Or are you just jaguh di forum melayu?
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12725
Oh sh#tt!!!!!It is Ali Sina forum!!!!!!Run muslims run!!!!
Come on , you can use Ali Sina's argument. I am game for it. You already got stomped on Quran86:4-7 as you don't even know the difference between sperm and semen.
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Stupidity really can't be taught, that imbecile doesn't even understand my quote when i only refer to his accusation ;"Ha ha , first you got hit as you die die claiming that sperm = semen"."Then you got hit again that you die die think that it is absolute that only a horizontal line can be drawn reference to an upright stance of humans which there is no medical citation. " which he use repeatedly in his dumb argument.
Semen= Sperm ??? Even by now he still firmly believe that seminal gland responsible for spermatozoa production....
Ooi Ustaz ! Go and refer your son's form 2 biology textbook....
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sam1528 posted on 30-1-2013 12:00 AM
Ha ha , no more arguments about science and comprehension? You have lost and lost badly. You got s ...
Ali Sina dont block any comments.You just made the thing up.There are still some muslim apologists post there.Or are you coward enough to post anything over there because any international biologists can refute you?
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Post time 29-1-2013 09:34 AM
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