Lagi kisah doktor kerajaan tak professional

blackmore

Post Last Edit by cik_einn at 2-10-2009 01:42
as for doctors yg tak prihatin saja will give above mentioned opinion, lebam pada tangan common scene??? my sister's case is very much different from other patients, she is having leukemia in which, WBC count very high, platlet rendah dsbnya so the doctor shouldnt hv treated her like other patient who can heal in a day or so..
cik_einn Post at 2-10-2009 01:16

...comment yang diberikan bukanlah menunjukkan yang aku tak prihatin...all im saying is that to those yang kerja kat spital nie...such cases in which a patients hand is bruised is a very common thing...that is why some of them think nothing of it and says that ianya adalah perkara biasa...im making a general comment here...im not in agreement with this kind of views cos i believe that all patients...be them cancer patients or non cancer patients must be treated and handled with compassion and gentle care....kata orang...berat mata memandang...berat lagik bahu yang memikulnya...

oo how niceeee if it is the case, just look at the photo...what do u think?? definitely they have done it more than 2 attempts, rite?? is dat u call NOT CRUEL?? think again...

...again...i would like to stress it to u...perlu ko ingat yang perkara sedemikian bukanlah disengajakan...takde doktor atau misi yang dengan sengaja atau suka2 nak menyakitkan dan membuat pesakit mereka lebam2 seperti yang di photo...as u mentioned...your sis is a leukemia case...and since she is receiving chemo...her blood counts are affected...termasuk her platelet counts...platelet nie is essential for clotting purposes...and since ianya turut affected due to her chemo...tendency for bruising is much higher...dan walaupon doktor atau misi berjaya pricked her once...she still might end up having those bruises...

...doktors/nurses pricked a patient for a reason...bukan suka2 nak cucuk dorang hari2...tentu saja for blood tests yang diperlukan to monitor her blood counts...to monitor infection dan sebagainya...and sorry to say this...kalau perlu dilakukan...biar pon lebih dari 4 kali cucuk...mereka masih tetap akan cuba sehingga berjaya...cos having those tests done is more important and valuable so as to monitor her progress...and kalau ada apa2 yang perlu diperbaiki dapat mereka memberi rawatan ngan segera...u have to weigh the pros and cons...

i bet u havent been in our situation thats why u didnt care much and do not have empathy towards this matter. Having said that,  it seemed u do not know much about local hospitals or pretending do not know about it tak tau la kan...Lemme remind u, this isnt about mengutuk2 but to enlighten the truth about all the misconducts. A genuine case of course!

...ginilah sis...im not a local ok...aku bukan orang malaysia...so aku genuinely do not noe the situation in your government or private hospitals...aku hanya stakat membaca citer2 dan pengalaman korang...and it is very2 scary kalau hospital di malaysia mempunyai doktor2 dan misi2 yang tak berhati perut...yang sengaja berlaku kejam pada pesakit mereka...yang suka suki membuat pesakit mereka menderita...(based on citer2 koranglah kan)...

...nak highlite the truth about medical professionals misconduct nie by all means...truskanlah...highlitekanlah...but...sambil2 highlite tu...ko berikan jugaklah saranan2 yang bernas yang dapat hospital dan doktor2 serta misi2 nie ambil tuk perbaiki keadaan...kalau asik dok beri komen2 negative saja (sebab nak highlite) sampai bila nak dapat tengok perubahan in your healthcare system??...im sure they need suggestions on how they can improve their services to their patients...so...nah...this is the time...

kinbite

hmm.. ape yg blackmore ckp tu mmg betul. mmgla kesian kat adik cik_einn, tp aku rasa ape yg jd ni sbb miscommunication. kalo doc tu explain elok2, tade la relative patient nk ngamuk teruk cenggini.

cik_einn

...nak highlite the truth about medical professionals misconduct nie by all means...truskanlah...highlitekanlah...but...sambil2 highlite tu...ko berikan jugaklah saranan2 yang bernas yang dapat hospital dan doktor2 serta misi2 nie ambil tuk perbaiki keadaan...kalau asik dok beri komen2 negative saja (sebab nak highlite) sampai bila nak dapat tengok perubahan in your healthcare system??...im sure they need suggestions on how they can improve their services to their patients...so...nah...this is the time...

OK, to not complicate the matter further, before u come up with such judgement pls come and see for yourself what is happening around in local hospitals. I am not condemning without a reason, and i am not being irrational. And im also not saying all the doctors and nurses are evil, BUT in my case unfortunately, i bump into the EVIL ONES.

Dont you worry about saranan, tonnes of suggestions have been forwarded be it in terms of management and ethical aspects. And i believe other people would have done so too. Yes every hospital has suggestion box and im among the people who make full use of it. One thing for sure, no matter how many suggestions ones put up, but if the other party does not want to listen or implement, everything goes down the drain jugak.

cik_einn

hmm.. ape yg blackmore ckp tu mmg betul. mmgla kesian kat adik cik_einn, tp aku rasa ape yg jd ni sbb miscommunication. kalo doc tu explain elok2, tade la relative patient nk ngamuk teruk cenggini.
kinbite Post at 2-10-2009 08:46

this is about misconducts

amirmelati

...since your sister is admitted for treatment...aku suggest korang take note of what medications are being administered into her...what the medication is for and their possible side effects...also...take note of any reaction yang dia alami...and report these to the dr in charge...

...u should start a file of your own...dalam file nie ko lampirkan semua investigations yang telah dijalankan...ask them for copies of all investigations...ct scans...and things like that...



err nak tanya..bole ker kite tgk all investigation tu...sbb masa my mom kat HKL...diorg letak ler file n then i tgk file tu..tup..tup..nurse tu ambil n ckp x leh tgk file tu sbb confidential...sbb kekadang i nak gak tgk all treatment for my mom..tapi diorg x bagi...

tapi kat ward tu alhamdullilah la...i rase the best ward ler sbb nurse n doctor baik2 sbb may be my mom masuk ward tu lama n kerap masa ward tu..compared to other ward ...mmy ler nurse diorg garang2 kalau minta something..mesti buat muka tension

blackmore

...since your sister is admitted for treatment...aku suggest korang take note of what medications are being administered into her...what the medication is for and their possible side effects...also... ...
amirmelati Post at 2-10-2009 10:34

...file pesakit memang confidential...u are not allowed to access to it...tapi...u can request from the doctor a copy of all investigations yang telah dibuat...bila misi2 atau doktor nak memberi ubat...u can ask them what medications yang dorang nak administer tu...apa tujuan ubat itu...side effects and how long will she be on that medication...

...even after u have been discharged...u still can request for a copy of whatever investigations yang telah dilakukan semasa that admission melalui the medical record office dept...

miss_honda

cikk einn

are u agree that any misconduct or negligence is a part and parcel of imperfection of human being?:re:

cik_einn

cikk einn

are u agree that any misconduct or negligence is a part and parcel of imperfection of human being?:re:
miss_honda Post at 2-10-2009 11:38

Do you think phrase like ” any misconduct or negligence is a part and parcel of imperfection human being”
immunize doctors and nurses from carelessnessor negligence?
Theirony is, of course, that doesn’t mean we have to condone negligence or professionalmisconduct.


Negligence on the part of the health worker or even thepatient or his relations can cause irrepairable damage to the health of apatient.
The attitude of SOME health workers, these days, isunpleasant and nauseating to patients. There is the need to re-train hospitalstaff to keep abreast of new care-giving techniques that are patient-friendly.Hospitals should be a place where patients are treated with utmost care,respect and compassion. Every hospital should consider seriously the issue ofsecurity to avert future occurrence of these ugly incidents.

miss_honda

From what i understand the examples of medical misconduct include (but are not limited to):practicing fraudulently, practicing with gross incompetence or grossnegligence; practicing while impaired by alcohol, drugs, physical ormental disability; being convicted of a crime; filing a false report;guaranteeing that treatment will result in a cure; refusing to provideservices because of race, creed, color or national origin; performingservices not authorized by the patient; harassing, abusing orintimidating a patient; ordering excessive tests; and abandoning orneglecting a patient in need of immediate care.

so if your case is fall into this one of this, your action to complaint to PM is highly recommended.
This becoz actions taken by the Board for Professional Medical Conduct against doctors are different from malpractice actions. Malpractice casesare heard in civil court and seek financial awards for patients orfamilies who claim harm by a physician.

cik_einn

practicing with gross incompetence, harassing, intimidating a patient; ordering excessive tests; and abandoning or neglecting a patient in need of immediate care.

Yes indeed the above were among such misconducts that our family had experienced, thats why we brought the case to PM's attention, otherwise i dunno what my sis's fate would be like.

amerthyst

byk hospital kerajaan yg mangkuk ni sebenarnya, hospital ampang ut mmg byk cerita positive aku dah dgr.. kan elok kalau semua macam tu kan...

nasib la masa arwah ayah aku tu ada dr sr yg pro.. yg dtg sekali sehari n kasi update ttg perkembangan arwah ayaha ku kat ICU.. kalau nak harap dr muda yg baru grad tu, masa arwah ayah aku meninggal pun muka sengih2 kasi tau.. wdf?? saikologi ke lauttt...

kentutmanis

ntahla...xtau nak kate ape,sbnrnya xleh nak salahkan doktor gak,kite keluarge pesakit cpat marah sbb kdg2 ia membabitkan nyawa keluarga kite tp byk doktor2 kat hospital government byk yg mude2 n pelatih,sbb doktor2 yg berkualiti sumer da pi hospital swasta...pastu ramai lak2 melayu2 kite xde insurans kesihatan so terpaksela dptkan svc kat hospital government yg agak murah n full with try n error/dokto2 mude...

kite kene letakkan diri kite dlm situasi kedue2nye pesakit n doktor... so jgn saling menyalahkan,nanti xde sape2 generasi mude lg yg nak jd doktor sbb stress yg melampau samada dr pesakit atau keluarge pesakit hatta org2 atasan di hospital2...

miss_honda

my staff bersalin mlm td. ni kat hospital yg kawasan org gomen. dia bersalin normal. misi yg jahit dia xbius dia pon.misi jwb sbb bukaan dia pon kecik jer. misi yg buat tu mmg kasar gaklah. kene pulak staff aku mulut dia boleh tahan brani pi berjawab dgn misi time2 kene jahit tu.

lagi satu katil tak cukup. dia dgn baby share satu katil. masa aku melawat baby dia tadi pon tak bwk mandi lagi. mmm mcm2 risau pulak kalo turn aku esok2. meraung tak belagu lah

AnitaSabrina

72# kentutmanis

Tapi kan some hospital private pun dah macam hospital gomen.  Contohnya, Sime Darby Medical Centre (dulu SJMC).  Masa I admit kat sana, nurses kat situ semuanya student nurses.  Worse than government hospital.  I don't mind being attended by students eg. doctors or nurses.  Tapi yg kat Sime Darby tu tahap nurses bengap and biol!  Ada ke patut orang mintak bed pan dia kasi dust pan?  

AnitaSabrina

73# miss_honda

Masa I bersalin my second son doctor tak kasi bius.  Sebab dia pre-term.  Even masa jahit episiotomy dr tak kasi apa-apa pun.  Sebelum jahit dia cakap, I nak jahit ya sekarang.  I asked sakit ke?  Can I have something for pain relief?  She said, tempat yg nak dijahit tu tak ada `pain fibres'.  Wallahualam.  And true to her words, I felt no pain whatsoever masa dia jahit.  In fact she did a very good job.  Lambat sikit tapi kemas.  

Maybe Allah berikan I kekuatan kot.  Sebab masa nak bersalin I tak dapat bius apa-apa.  Sebab doctors nak make sure my baby is safe.  Syukur Alhamdullillah my baby selamat even though dia lahir 33 weeks je.  As for me, I will go through the pain in a heartbeat again to save my baby.  Rasa semua urat kat badan dah putus.  Sakit sangat-sangat.  Tapi magic, baby keluar je, terus hilang segala sakit.  Miracle!  

miss_honda

73# miss_honda

Masa I bersalin my second son doctor tak kasi bius.  Sebab dia pre-term.  Even masa jahit episiotomy dr tak kasi apa-apa pun.  Sebelum jahit dia cakap, I nak jahit ya sekarang.  I  ...
AnitaSabrina Post at 4-10-2009 22:09

syukur alhamdulilah kak nita selamat dan sehat.

blackmore

72# kentutmanis

Tapi kan some hospital private pun dah macam hospital gomen.  Contohnya, Sime Darby Medical Centre (dulu SJMC).  Masa I admit kat sana, nurses kat situ semuanya student nurses.  W ...
AnitaSabrina Post at 4-10-2009 22:03

...adoiiilah haiiii!!!...

firdaruddin

tk semua doc. mengamalkan etika kedoktoran. ada yg anggap dorg tuh pandai sgt
tp ada juga yg sgt profesional, esp. doc. pakar2. kesian betul adik ko doc. tuh wat gitu
dh la dia sakit, tambah sakit b ...
balqishku Post at 1-10-2009 08:05

Salam,

Memang apa yang diberitahu itu betul. Wad 19 adalah wad haematologi. Akan tetapi, kena ingat juga. Wad tersebut adalah wad KELAS 3. tempat untuk katil sepatutnya ada 30 maksimum + 3 di dalam bilik kuarantin. Tetapi, pernah mencecah 40 katil kerana hospital kerajaan TIDAK BOLEH MENOLAK PESAKIT YANG DATANG. Jadi mana yang berlagak kadang2 tu nak ke swasta x mampu, jadi pergilah ke hospital kerajaan.Jadi bila burden of works tu dah terlebih, semua manusia boleh stress. Juga kena ingat. Doktor serta nurse itu juga adalah manusia. Mereka juga ada had kesabaran. Saya juga pernah bertugas di AE Dept di PPUM. Pernah dimaki oleh ahli keluarga patient yang tidak sabar. Siap ada doktor kena lempang lagi. Mereka menafikan yang arwah ayah mereka tidak seperti yang doktor katakan. Patient with failure heart due too much alcohol's consuming. Jadi siapakah yang patut dipersalahkan?

Jadi adalah tidak adil sekiranya justifikasi lebih kepada bias kerana jika berat sebelah, itu lebih kepada dikriminasi. So , both side kena la saling faham memahami keadaan masing2. Don't simply everytime just point finger to others because at the same time, lagi 3 jari akan point ke diri sendiri. apa2pun, muhasabahkan lah diri.

adlynn

ok...apa kate kita suggest adik tuan rumah ni kasi lebam bijik mate nurse atau doctor yang 'mungkin salah cucuk beberapa kali' tu, pastu cakap..small matter, lebam tu bukan effect dan lebam tu aka ...
Rayz_1 Post at 1-10-2009 12:09

u never know how difficult it is untuk amik darah cancer patients...
salur darah dorang dah keras n halus and running here and there..

wakaka_eh

aku pun nak kongsi gak..tapi ni  kat klinik gigi kerajaan..

awal tahun ni, aku sakit gigi, pi laa cabut kat klinik gigi kat kelana jaya tu..
patient ada la dalam 10 orang..

lepas doktor check gigi aku dia bius dan suruh tunggu dalan 10 minit untuk ubat bius tu bertindak..ni doc lelaki india, pembantu dia lelaki melayu.

lepas 10,minit aku dipanggil masuuk untuk dicabut gigi..masa doc nak cabut gigi aku ni dia terus je tarik gigi yang sakit tu..yaAllah, punya la sakit, aku terus pegang tangan doc tu suruh berenti. aku cakap sakit macam ubat bius tu tak berfungsi lagi.. pembantu dia cakap mana boleh tak berfungsi, 2 jam baru bius tu boleh hilang..

aku balas laa mungkin ubat bius tu tak sampai dibius kat gigi last aku tu.Memang doc tu bius jauh..doc india tu dah mula masam..dia nak cabut gak untuk 2nd time..aku terus marah dia..doc tu ingat aku main2 tak tahan sakit...ini bukan 1st time aku cabut gigi...
aku rasa macam nak tercabut mata aku ni..orang kat luar tu dah mula jenguk dalam bilik..

last sekali doc tu letak something kat gigi aku terus dia cabut..tak sakit pulak aku rasa..lepas cabut gigi aku dia terus masuk bilik..terus ganti ngan doc lain...

kadang2 kita sebagai patient ni kena ambik tahu..kalau tidak memang naya laa kat diri kita sendiri...aku memang nak buat aduan, tapi hubby aku cakap tak payah, lain kali tak payah pi doc kerajaan, swasta je...