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Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds that beliefs should be formed on the basis of science and logic and should not be influenced by emotion, authority, tradition, or any dogma. The cognitive application of freethought is known as freethinking, and practitioners of freethought are known as freethinkers.
-wiki
anybody?
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btw minta maaf pada tuan punya thread kalau thinker dalam posting2 saya bukan thinker yg dimaksudkannya..
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apa pula kata pemikir Syed Hussein Alatas?
`How do the fools and bebalisma act to stifle the growth of the intellectual spirit? The fools block the development of the public demand for intellectual labour. The intellectuals do not have access to the means of creating a public demand for the results of their labour.
When an intellectual article is sent to the newspaper, the editor says that it is too heavy. Radio and television offer programmes which are non-intellectual. Speakers in forum are rarely intellectuals. Publishers publish ... rarely creative intellectual works. In the administration no credit is given for being an intellectual. Thus the public is not introduced to the products of intellectual labour...'
juga...
"..The modern educated man in many of the developing societies of Asia can develop into a specialist but not easily into an intellectual because being a specialist does not require a complete break with bebalisma.
It does not require conscious effort to probe into the entire foundation of one's outlook.
A man who specialises in dentistry, engineering, medicine, accountancy, or anything else can still harbour bebalian elements in his [or her] thinking..." (adoiiiiii....)
dari buku beliau 'The intellectuals and developing socities'.
bebalisma... hehe
[ Last edited by petola at 30-7-2008 09:35 AM ] |
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Balas #63 petola\ catat
then a thinker will be a utilitarian huh?
tak begitu pendapat kebanyakan pemikir/pemerhati...
err... a thinker thinks. may not be practical, or so, but at least a thinker thinks. |
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simpleton - merely active
thinker - being creative |
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Originally posted by petola at 30-7-2008 09:39 AM 
kalau seseorg pemikir terpaksa berfikir idea dia praktikal ke tak praktikal... then he will be a corrupted thinker..
kalau dia jadi ahli politik dia akan jadi politically corrupt牋...
Thinking is in the realm of doingness. you do, think.
No mater how much you think, you have to do.
It's not that hard to be a thinker. Every moment you 燼re thinking, you're a thinker. You don't have to think on extraordinary things to 燼n extraordinary degree.
So, a thinker need not do anything, only think. He/she doesn't even need to take the philosophers pose.
If you think and stay quiet, you think. people will never know what you think about. They will never know you're a thinker.
If you do tell, you think, and tell. telling people what you think about doesn't detract you from being a thinker. Most people will know and燼pprove you for燽eing a thinker.
If you 'do', tell and think. You're still a thinker. Only you add doing and telling. |
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Balas #68 ajinomotonosuga\ catat
ok, that's a nice distinction.
Actually what is the standard definition agreed by most people on earth regarding a thinker anyway?
I think I don't use the std definition... my bad.
wiki? |
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thinking basically ialah mencari sesuatu... betul tak?
apa yg kita cari?
kebenaran? |
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i think therefore i am - rene descartes
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Balas #71 petola\ catat
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I think everyone actually want to find the same thing. |
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Originally posted by Agul at 30-7-2008 09:35 AM 
The effect may come now, or way beyond other people understanding andconciousness that it will only be appreciated in the future.
there’s many a thinker who after death closes their eyes and opens ours...
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hmm...
we human , is thinking all the time, the act of thinking the word "think" itself is actually a verb - a perceptive type of verb to be exact. The act of thinking well, it can be consciously done though or vice versa.
Ur brain , my brain is thinking all the time. We cannot stop thinking.
That's why if u were to look at the central nervous system itself or the oraganization of the system , it is basically divided into autonomic nervous system, central and peripheral.
The "autonomic" ones is the automated, self regulated thinking part of the brain that controls all of our physiological function could never stop being "autonomously activated/ regulated - thus i woulds say thinking ...
then how about this scenario
u went to McDonald. U saw the ad of vanilla milk shake and u think oh i love milk shakes and i would want ione coz in ur purse u have RM 50..so it is affordable. Then u realised as u paid the price, u said to urself
oh i better get a bottle of mineral water after this.....
and that very time
why suddenly the cognitive part of the brain "tells" u that -- ok u need a bottle of plain water ....
another scenario
why does a person in the cinema who really wanted to pass water but did not well deliberately passing water in the theater itself?
why does a person who eat plenty of SALTED peanuts would then be thinking of getting himself or herself a glass of plain water?
u see....ni dah thinking at cortical level + action...
the association between the first action will eventually lead to another event and this is due to the fact that the thinking process is actually "on- going" . The brain learns . It makes an association - another learning process .
In those cases above, the brain knows the mechanism of the fluid regulation / retention etc and somehow affect the cognitive part ( conscious) part to execute the behavioral component so that we see a person would then started to buy a bottle of mineral water or would find a toilet ....( if that person is not a baby or u know ....) |
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I have been skirting this thread for a while. Have this doubt as to what the thread owner really meant with the terms. Here and there some opinions do resonate with mine though.
IMO, thinkers here are very special people who are able to espouse rationality in many aspects of human behaviour, thoughts and so on. Simpletons are mere fools lacking in good sense and judgement. But yes , they do think as in having thought processing but their end results may be just be acceptable or correct to them only. |
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Balas #76 hamizao\ catat
Sometime prominent thinker espouse highly erroneous thought. And people follow them.
Sometime the average people on the street may show wisdom but no one will listen. |
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Balas #76 hamizao\ catat
Well, from my experience and observation, two types of idiosyncrasies--let's say between me and my sister--I think I am a thinker and I think she's a simpleton. Sometimes, I think being a thinker gives me advantage--that I have this ability to control myself from crumbling. Because I when I think, I seem to always try to find the root of the problem and it caused me temporary insomnia--made me unhappy.
So, because my sister (whom I assumed a simpleton) doesn't think as seriously as I am (which I also assumed). When she broke up with her boyfriend she cried and wallowed in self-pity. I just broke up with my boyfriend and I didn't cry--but I couldn't stop thinking. It caused me insomnia. So at the time I opened this thread, I wasn't able to sleep and I wished I could just cry my heart out the way she did and get okay afterwards--but I realized that I couldn't--which made me want to be a simpleton like her.
Just cry out--but I thought it would only amplify my disappointment. So I thought about how I am different from her and what made me an entirely different person.
But then Mr. Agul gives me a perspective--then I should just stop thinking. 
And I did and I got to sleep again. Thanks for that.
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Reply #79 Santeira's post
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and based on your statement a lady like me would think , hmm she broke up with someone and o okay her way of COPING with it is by "passing" [ another medical socilogy / psychology terminology / or ev health psychology coping mechanism) well...another stimulus heheh to get me into thinking |
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Category: Belia & Informasi
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Post time 30-7-2008 09:08 AM
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