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Why muslims shiver over the idea of freedom of religion ???

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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 02:43 PM | Show all posts
Ehrman ? Another charlatan scholar....

http://www.ehrmanproject.com/


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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 02:45 PM | Show all posts
Rebuttal to Dr Laurence Brown aka the Dumbhead Part 2........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amlv5W56JM0

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Rebuttal to Dr Laurence Brown aka Dumbhead Part 3......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9yknvZWdus
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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 03:23 PM | Show all posts
Rebuttal to Dr Laurence Brown aka Dumbhead Part 4......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDjQ99siBg


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Post time 10-12-2013 06:47 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 10-12-2013 03:23 PM
Rebuttal to Dr Laurence Brown aka Dumbhead Part 4......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDjQ99siB ...

However Dr Bart Ehrman and Dr Dan Wallace agree that the bible is not reliable.

Are you now saying that Dr Wallace , whom you appeal to is also a charlatan scholar by your bias standards?

Forgery and counterforgery :
Ehrman argues that ancient critics--pagan, Jewish, and Christian--understood false authorial claims to be a form of literary deceit, and thus forgeries. Ehrman considers the extent of the phenomenon, the "intention" and motivations of ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish forgers, and reactions to their work once detected. He also assesses the criteria ancient critics applied to expose forgeries and the techniques forgers used to avoid detection. With the wider practices of the ancient world as backdrop, Ehrman then focuses on early Christian polemics, as various Christian authors forged documents in order to lend their ideas a veneer of authority in literary battles waged with pagans, Jews, and, most importantly, with one another in internecine disputes over doctrine and practice. In some instances a forger directed his work against views found in another forgery, creating thereby a "counter-forgery." Ehrman's evaluation of polemical forgeries starts with those of the New Testament (nearly half of whose books make a false authorial claim

There you are .....



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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 09:42 PM | Show all posts
Guess the imbecilic muslim with Anglo name Sam here failed badly in even comprehending the simple narration in the youtube i posted, like one fella on the youtube mocked; "if you don't lie, you are not mooooslem...."

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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 10:03 PM | Show all posts
Mooooooslem........
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 Author| Post time 10-12-2013 10:12 PM | Show all posts
Just looks at Dr Laurence Brown aka Dumbhead's audiences........Yiik ? All mooooslem males ? Where are their hijabed women counterparts ????? Really a fxxked up religion with extreme misogynism and worse than any conservative middle age civilization ! .......
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Post time 10-12-2013 11:31 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 10-12-2013 10:12 PM
Just looks at Dr Laurence Brown aka Dumbhead's audiences........Yiik ? All mooooslem males ? Where are their hijabed women counterparts ????? Really a fxxked up religion with extreme misogynism and worse than any conservative middle age civilization ! .......

Ha ha , bla-bla-bla. Lots of nothing from you.

Let see Dr Brown reference to Prof Bart Ehrman and in the meantime Dr Wallace also agree that the bible is not reliable. There you go , the so called Holy Bible for you.

Hmm , women with hijab?
Thats your Mary , mother of God


The following are nuns


Ha ha , you keep on shooting yourself in your foot.
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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 12:50 AM | Show all posts
Let's see.....


  vs

Celibacy vs sex slaves

serving God vs serving men

Any similarities ??????

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Post time 11-12-2013 09:15 AM | Show all posts
Islam agama sempurna maka kalau nak kritik maka kritiklah orang itu bukan agama mereka. Bukan semua orang boleh ikut agama Islam dengan betul bila mereka sendiri tak tahu isi al-Quran dengan menyeluruh. Hal itu juga berlaku pada penganut-penganut agama yang lain termasuk kristian bila perangai mereka lebih teruk dari orang yang dicontohkan di sini.
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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 09:39 AM | Show all posts
ct_og posted on 11-12-2013 09:15 AM
Islam agama sempurna maka kalau nak kritik maka kritiklah orang itu bukan agama mereka. Bukan semua  ...

Renungilah post dan thread saya dengan teliti, saya tidak suka mengkritik individu tetapi ajaran-ajaran Islam secara amnya ! Bagi manusia yang waras dan menghormati keperimanusiaan, agama Islam langsung tidak boleh diterima oleh akal dan sanubari yang suci !

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Post time 11-12-2013 12:19 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 12:50 AM
Let's see.....


  vs

Celibacy vs sex slaves

serving God vs serving men

Any similarities ??????

Actually you are spot on. There is a report on such :
“A large part of the history of [Ed.: mandatory] celibacy is the story of the degradation of women and – an invariable consequence – frequent abortions and infanticide.
            In the ninth century, many monasteries were the haunts of homosexuals; many convents were brothels in which babies were killed and buried…Promiscuity was rife in monasteries and convents. The great Ivo of Chartres (1040-1115) tells of whole convents with inmates who were nunsonly in name. They had often been abandoned by their families and were really prostitutes.” – Peter de Rosa (“Vicars of Christ”; 1988; Pages 404 and 408)

“According to the 1996 survey of nuns in the United States (which was intentionally never published by the [Ed.: Roman Catholic] Church but was leaked by some Vatican insider), it is reported that a minimum of 34,000 Catholic nuns (about 40% of all American nuns) claim to have been sexually abused. Three of every four of these nuns claimed they were sexually victimized by a priest, nun, or other religious person. Two out of five nuns who stated they were sexually abused claimed that their exploitation included some form of genital contact. All nuns who claimed repeated sexual exploitation reported that they were pressured by religious superiors for sexual favors.” – “Boston Globe” (1-8-2002) [Ed.: This quote is on p. 179 of the book, “Lucifer’s Lodge”, by William H. Kennedy.]

Thank you for pointing this out. Can I call it 'holy sex slaves of the church'?

Have a good read on this compilation of sex crimes by the church (clergy etc). What say you? Oops , I forsee another diversion coming ....

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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 12:56 PM | Show all posts
Zillions accounts of muslim clerics sexual assaults !

Muslim Cleric Caught Raping and Attempting to Murder a 3-Year-old Girl http://shariaunveiled.wordpress. ... -a-3-year-old-girl/

Muslim Cleric Who Groped Aussie Women Says It’s a Cultural Misunderstanding http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013 ... l-misunderstanding/

A Muslim cleric who sexually assaulted two boys at a mosque in Stoke-on-Trent has been sentenced to 16 years in jail. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-12780538



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Post time 11-12-2013 01:14 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 12:56 PM
Zillions accounts of muslim clerics sexual assaults !

Muslim Cleric Caught Raping and Attempting  ...

Hmm lets see , the 'zillions' of sex assault cases pointed out by you comes out to only 3 cases

The 2 sites provided in my post#53 provides hundreds or probably thousands of cases of the sex crimes in the church involving nuns , priests , pastors etc.

Appears that the church (christianity) still lead in sex crimes which also involve minors.

What say you?

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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 01:40 PM | Show all posts
Who can outperform founder of that evil faith, pseudoprophet moooohammad when it cimes to committing sexual crimes besides other recorded heinous crimes in mankind history ???

http://themuslimissue.wordpress. ... f-prophet-mohammed/

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion ... spital-2718584.html


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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 03:03 PM | Show all posts
'The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad.' --  Adolf Hitler (from "The Mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler")

It is apparent that Hitler's Lord is Mooooohamad !
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 Author| Post time 11-12-2013 03:39 PM | Show all posts
WOMEN ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR  RAPES IN ISLAM !
By ayesha Ahmed      
WOMEN ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RAPES
      
By Ayesha Ahmed
      
     A woman’s whole body is ”Awrah”, arabic word for pudendum ( the external genitals), according to several hadiths.It is natural that the sighting of  awrah  arouses men        and creates an uncontrollable sexual urge.   This urge is  specially very acute  in muslim men  due to their higher sexual potency. Allah gives  all muslim men  a  higher libido to enable them to enjoy their sharia permitted  four wives, and their  slave girls/captured women (our prophet was given  the libido of 30 men to enjoy his  9+ wives and  the continuos supply of captured women from  jihadi raids. Here is an example of our prophet’s instant arousal at the sight of a woman)....
      
Muslim, Book 008, Number 3240:
      
“Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger saw a woman, and so he came to Zainab (the woman must have turned him down) as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her”.
      
    Only Islam realizes that when muslim men are  aroused they must have it right away. No wonder that western prisons are filled with muslim rapists.   Austarlia’s top Imam  and mufti , Sheik Tajuddin Halali  decalred   the  muslim rapists ,  terrorizing unveiled women in the west,  innocent. Here is an excerpt from a news paper..
      
(Daily Mail)
      
MUSLIM CLERIC LIKENS WOMEN TO UNCOVERED MEAT
      
.Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared unveiled  women with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then      eaten by cats.     
In a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque,  Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes are innocent.
      
Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?
      
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
      
He went on: "If she was veiled and  in her home no problem would have occurred."
      
There are four sharia laws governing women’s behaviour to  prevent  male arousals  and her status in case she gets raped.
      
1. SHARIA LAW OF  STAYING HOME
      
Woman must stay home to avoid exposure to na-mahrams.
      
Quran says:
      
33.33 “Stay quietly in your homes”
      
.In his tafsir- quran , Maulana Mohiuddin says  “It is not only forbidden to get out of the house, but it is also HARAM to go out of her house”.
      

        2. SHARIA LAW OF LEAVING HOME UNDER  COMPULSION
      
  If a woman must leave home under absolute compulsion like escaping  fire ,  she must cover herself fully in a chador or burqa  and must  always be  accompanied with an adult mehram (  preferably carrying  an open sword)
      
Quran says:
      
33.59 (Hilali and Khan)  O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks(veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way) when leaving home  (under compulsion)..
      
     An excellent example to implement this  aya and the applicable sharia law was displayed by diligent Saudi religious police . They  prevented  unveiled (and unaccompanied by mehrams)  young  women  from   escaping a burning school building by beating  them back with sticks. Most of them died with their honor in tact, thanks to these pious muslims.
      
BBC NEWS
      
Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue
      
Mecca Saudi Arabia      
Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
      
About 800 girls were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.
      
One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing abhaya and veil. A large number of girls were burnt alive while their relatives watched helplessly from outside.
      
(jazakallah khair. Those guards will inshallah get janna for steadfastly upholding Allah’s laws)
      

        3. SHARIA LAW  OF  RAPE   
      
In  case a  woman   gets  raped , she is considered guilty of adultery unless she can provide four  adult muslim  male witnesses  who  had watched the action and  who would testify that  the sex was actually forced on her and that she was not a willing partner in it.  If she  has only female witnesses in case she was        raped by an intruder in front of her fellow wives and slave girls or in a  women’s  dormitory full of women witnesses  then she is out of luck. Her        punishment is  stoning to death  if she is married or hundred (100) lashes if single.
      
A 19 year old girl was gang raped repeatedly by six momins in Saudi Arabia recently and was given a punishment of 200 lashes and six months prison ( the punishment was increased because it was a gang rape)
      
USA Today
      
Report: Saudi gang rape victim punished
      
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes — more  than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday
      

        4.SHARIA LAW OF SEX WITH CAPTURED WOMEN
      
Allah has made sex with captured women and slave girls  (right hand possessions) halal in quran by five ayas (4.3, 4.24, 23.6,33.50,70.30).  Thus when a rape victim is imprisoned awaiting stoning or lashings or any other woman is incarcerated for any other reason  she qualifies as a captured woman and sex with her becomes halal . That is Islamic  fringe benefits  for  the  prison officials  and  guards who work long hours  at low pay.
      
Here is an excerpt from Persian Journal
      
Women in Evin Prison, Tehran
      
     There are two units for the women in the Evin Prison: the unit of solitary confinement which is under the men's section and situated right next to the foothills in        the furthest north of prison and the public unit which is closer to the entrance gate of the prison. When I was in the Evin prison, I could see that the women were transported to and from their solitary confinement to the other places (like the office of the prison) by men who pushed them around with a piece of stick. During my years of imprisonment, I came to know  that the male prison officials  had sexual relations with the inmates  or  raped them (if resisted).
      
Here are some  videos about honorable treatment of women in islam. These videos also shed light on sharia law of rape.
                  
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Post time 11-12-2013 04:33 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 03:03 PM
'The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad.' --  Adolf Hitler (from "The Mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler")

It is apparent that Hitler's Lord is Mooooohamad !

Ha ha , I just don't know why you still insist in trying to lie your way through.

Anybody with half a brain and has studied history knows that Hitler was a Christian.

Why are you trying to twist the fact to become
It is apparent that Hitler's Lord is Mooooohamad !

Suddenly an unknown by the name of Achmad Huber comes out. I hope you are not drunk ... yalah selangor holiday what ....

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Post time 11-12-2013 04:58 PM | Show all posts
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 01:40 PM
Who can outperform founder of that evil faith, pseudoprophet moooohammad when it cimes to committing ...

Ha ha , I told you. You would be trying your best to divert the issue. I repeat the issue again :
The Christian Church is one of the world leader in sex crimes against minors and women. So far you only provided 2 cases and to you it is a zillion cases. There is something wrong with your logic.

Now you provide a link of the so called crimes of Prophet Muhammad(saw)
- Marriage to Aishah(ra). We have been thru this numerous times. Eze16:7-8 states the consummation of marriage is ok. You are desperate
- Marriage to Zainab Jash(ra). Since when did she became his daughter in law? Zayd Harith was his adopted son not biological son.
- Sex with a dead aunt. Ha ha , you are losing your mind. You know you cannot get away with twisting of words. Never mind , the following is a scholarly refutation
The Arabic scholar Demetrius [unkown Greek non Muslim] explains : “The Arabic word used here for “slept” is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is ‘often’ used to mean, “lay down to have sex.“Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a “mother of the believers.”

Comments:

    For sake of discussion let’s disregard the authenticity factor and analyse the allegation.
    Consider phrase; “Muhammad is understood as saying ….” ‘Understood’ by whom? by enemies of Islam, this is assumption, fallacy, putting own words in his mouth. ....



The narrative mentioned above is true example of narrating half-truths & twisting with malicious intentions. Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi was born in India 898 years after death of Prophet (pbuh)(1472-1567 C.E). It is claimed that he based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti (1445–1505 C.E). [Book contains 46,624 narrations a very large number. It may be kept in view that Al-Bukhari (810–870 C.E) had compiled his famous Hidith collections, Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (صحيح البخاري‎)700 years earlier with just 4000 narrations]. The Hadith narrated is weak Hadith, i.e. has an incomplete chain of narrators or one of them was proved to be a liar. Muslims only trust Sahih Hadith like Al-Bukhari, Muslim and carefully examine the Hasan. The simple narrative by Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi has been twisted to extract wrong meanings with malaise.

Ha ha , in the end your blunders are
- not knowing that exe16:7-8 is ok with Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)
- not knowing the big difference between adopted and biological son
- twisting of words and appealing to weak sources again
but you claim to be a 'true medical professional'.

Oops now you appeal to the hogwash of Islam and genital mutatilation? Yet you claim to be a 'true medical professional'? This is a report from UNFPA
The origins of the practice are unclear. It predates the rise of Christianity and Islam. There is mention made of Egyptian mummies that display characteristics of FGM/FGC. Historians such as Herodotus claim that in the fifth century BC the Phoenicians, the Hittites and the Ethiopians practised circumcision. It is also reported that circumcision rites were practised in tropical zones of Africa, in the Philippines, by certain tribes in the Upper Amazon, and in Australia by women of the Arunta tribe. It also occurred among the early Romans and Arabs. As recent as the 1950s, clitoridectomy was practised in Western Europe and the United States to treat 'ailments' in women as diverse as hysteria, epilepsy, mental disorders, masturbation, nymphomania, melancholia and lesbianism. In other words, the practice of FGM/FGC has been followed by many different peoples and societies across the ages and the continents.

The practice cuts across all religions. Any 'true medical professional' no matter how quacky would know this. Too bad , you are ignorant of it.

Ha ha , like I stated you have this uncanny ability to shoot your own foot. You are desperate .... aren't you




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