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If Jesus is God, what does this say about God?
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Truth.8 posted on 28-10-2013 10:54 PM 
God is a just judge. You cannot bribe him by insisting that he shouldn’t send you to Hell because he’s good. If he is good, then he will punish wrong-doing. He will punish blasphemers and murderers. He is so good that he will also punish thieves and adulterers and liars.
We cannot bribe him by saying that we have done good works to make up for our sins.
In our earthly legal system, if a man is convicted of murdering 10 people, he can’t say to the judge, ‘Judge, I believe you are a good person and will not lock me in a prison for the rest of my life. I also have done many good things since committing those murders. I have given to the poor, I have been kind and helpful to many people. In light of this, you should set me free.’
This scenario is ludicrous to us. If a judge set someone free for these reasons, we would assume the judge is either corrupt or incompetent.
God is neither corrupt nor incompetent. He will punish sin precisely because he is good. Justice must be served.
Luckily for us, Jesus paid the price for our crimes. He burst into the court room and told the judge that he will serve our sentence for us. Only Jesus could do this because he lived a sinless life and is the Son of God.
Ha ha , TQ , you are now admitting that your God is incapable of love and mercy. Your God need to punish people who sinned regardless of them asking for forgiveness. Worse still , your God sent his supposed innoccent son to die for the sins of others.
Think about it for a minute. A murderer goes to court and found guilty. The judge however tells the murderer that he can go free as the said judge will sentence to death his own inoccent son for the murderer's crime. There is only one word to describe the judge - crazy man.
Is your christian God crazy? Ha ha .... this is the problem with trinitarian Christian like you. In the bible there are verses having the concept of repentance , mark1:4 (NIV bible)
And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
and the 'Lord's prayer'. These are 2 such examples.
Even in joh17:4 , biblical Jesus , your man God , stated clearly that he has finished the work the 'Father' assigned him to do. Dying for your sins is not in his job scope / description.
Where do you get the notion that biblical Jesus , your man God was supposed to die for your sins? There is no concept of repentence in Christianity?
Ha ha .... lets see if you are able to answer ... don't run yeah ....
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wkk5159 posted on 29-10-2013 10:50 AM
awn..... ........
Is that what you are capable of smearing the Bible ??? You have to try harder to impress me, Islamic whore ...but i doubt you will.
why kept on splaying your leg to Christians when no God loving gentile is interested nor it is graceful.....
Ha ha , reading in between the lines , you have no answers - have you? I don't want you impressed but you need to be able to respond to the issues put forth. Nowhere in the bible , biblical Jesus , your man God admitted to be God and demanded worship. Its only your speculation. You have lost and lost badly. Like your buddy 'truth.8' you are of thick skin. Gotta push on ... right ...
Bitter pills to swallow, isn't it ? my Islamic whore sam1528..... Where is the best university from Islamic country ??? let me see...Boğaziçi University of Turkey at 199 ! . Of all top 100 universities in the world, 80% are from Christian majority countries and the rest from Buddhism and Shintoism countries. http://www.timeshighereducation. ... 13-14/world-ranking
Of course many professors in the top U are half atheist like me lah, stupid ! What do you expect ??? Retrograde religious ustazy like you ?
Have you ever attended any tertiary education before, i doubt you even finish your primary education, which madrash you graduated from ah ?? Pakistan ? Bangladesh ? or Afghanistan ???
Yes, half atheist like me have no moral restraint to accuse Catholic in Middle East, East Malaysia and Indonesia of being naive and oblivious to the truth and unlike you, mere mention of the name Allah will trigger the Pavlov's doggy reaction in you.....
Ha ha , another example of you trying your best to change topics. The issue in question is for you to prove that biblical Jesus , your man God admitted that he is God and demanded worship. Such a simple question yet you are having problems answering.
Like I stated , most of the teaching / research staff in the top universities are atheists. Ha ha , now you are half atheist? Last time you were full christian , then atheist and now half atheist / christian. Soon you will be zorastrian or whatever depending on your mood. The best part is that your tertiary education is not even in the top 200 universities in the world. In that essence , you are not a product of any top university. Ha ha , don't be a parasite.
You are doing such a good job running down the catholics , your buddies in Christ. What more can I say? Ha ha .....
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wkk5159 posted on 29-10-2013 11:17 AM
Hehehe.....Islamic whore sam1528 now comes equipped with feral fangs......Ooooo, that won't do any good in attracting your potential customers, you dumb slut !
Let's see....what have you farted this time around....YAWN ! let's randomly pick some;
Ha ha , is that all? See ... I told you that your impotence in answering my questions will cause you to go bezerk. You are like a half crazed boar trying to gouge anything in its path not knowing that there is a 200 ft drop ridge in front of you.
This is just too easy for me.
Paying homage and respect to what ??? Oh i see, who can forget the tragic death of your prophet in 7th century due to polygamy and now you have to be in constant condolence and pay your respect to your dead prophet.
Lets see from the Oxford dictionary , the part definition of 'worship'
[as title] (His/Your Worship) chiefly British used in addressing or referring to an important or high-ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor:
Taking into account the above , now its easy to understand (which I doubt you have the ability) the context of 'worship' per your argument. All 3 synoptic gospels stated about the coming of the savior / messiah. Savior / messiah is not God. Therefore 'worship' in such context is to pay homage. How come so difficult for you to understand wan aaah?
Ha ha , you a so called 'medical professional' can come to the conclusion that one can die due to polygny? Do tell us , which so called medical school you attended? Or its just the bar at hilton hotel? Ha ha ...
That's why a half atheist like me also 100% convinced that this paganic faith of Islamic whore sam1528 is not of Abrahamic origin....
Can your pseudo prophet Mu-ham-Mad forgive sins ???
This is so amusing and interesting, I'm debating a dumb Islamic whore who delusionally thought that he is a Bible Scholar....
Don't biblical Jesus , your man God had and prayed to God? Joh17:1-4 confirm so. Do you know how to read and more importantly understand what you read? Ha ha ... appears not.
Why should Prophet Muhammad(saw) forgive sins? He taught us muslims the concept of repentance. We muslims go directly to Allah to repent for our sins. However trinitarian Christians like you (no need for the escape clause of 'half or full atheist') need to go thru an intermediary. This is evidence that muslims have a personal relationship with God whereas Christian needs to go thru God's personal assistant in the form of biblical Jesus. Ha ha ..... this is so funny .... office bureaucracy
Last edited by sam1528 on 29-10-2013 01:58 PM
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Why should Prophet Muhammad(saw) forgive sins? He taught us muslims the concept of repentance. We muslims go directly to Allah to repent for our sins. However trinitarian Christians like you (no need for the escape clause of 'half or full atheist') need to go thru an intermediary. This is evidence that muslims have a personal relationship with God whereas Christian needs to go thru God's personal assistant in the form of biblical Jesus. Ha ha ..... this is so funny .... office bureaucracy.by retarded islamic whore sam1528
So finally this retard admit that his pseudo prophet can not forgive sin and this make his pseudo prophet no different from ordinary joe...
True Abrahamic religion;
God forgives sins.
"The Lord forgiveth all thine iniquities..." (Psalm 103:2-3).
"Who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:7).
Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus said, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee" (Mark 2:5).
Conclusion : Jesus is God !
Last edited by wkk5159 on 29-10-2013 03:03 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 29-10-2013 03:00 PM
So finally this retard admit that his pseudo prophet can not forgive sin and this make his pseudo prophet no different from ordinary joe...
True Abrahamic religion;
God forgives sins.
"The Lord forgiveth all thine iniquities..." (Psalm 103:2-3).
"Who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:7).
Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus said, "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee" (Mark 2:5).
Conclusion : Jesus is God !
Every muslim worth his salt knows that Prophet Muhammad(saw) was just a normal human being , a messenger of God. Why should he have the ability to forgive sins? All he did was teach the concept of repentance.
Ooh ... I see ... just by 1 verse (mark2:7)... biblical Jesus is God? Ha ha , this is evidence of your shallow knowledge. Go lah and learn from 'answering Islam' some more.
Did you read verse 10 of mark2?
But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man,
This can be further explained in mat28:18 (NIV bible)
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Something gave biblical Jesus , your man God , the authority , to forgive sins. Meaning there is a boss that he reports to that gave him the authority. Can a God give authority to another God? Ha ha ... logic is a pretty alien concept to you ... yes?
Lets see your 'impotence' in answering. For sure wan ... you would be responding with 'UMNO' lah , 'university ranking' lah ... ha ha
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wkk5159 posted on 30-10-2013 07:38 AM
This retard Islamic whore sam1528 for sure craves for masochistic spanking.......
Where and who do you learn how to read and interpret Bible ah ???
Ahmad Deedat ?? Zakir Naik ?? Sam Zaatari ???.......
If you carry on like this, soon you will follow the footstep of Ahmad Deedat, a debilitating stroke and eventual disgraceful death awaits you !......Zakir Naik and Sam Zaatari are heading towards that direction.....You want to follow suit ???
Ha ha , in the end , you are 'impotent' to answer any questions by us muslims.
Where did I learned the bible? From real bible scholars by reading their books. Not from 'answering islam'.
Ha ha , you a supposedly 'medical professional' is now in the opinion that Ahmad Deedat (may Allah bless his soul) had a stroke and died because he blaspheme against the 'holy spirit' , spoke against the bible and Christianity. In the end , polemical Christians like you invoke superstition and silly threats just because you cannot answer the questions put forth. This is very poor. You are like your buddy 'truth.8' , no understanding of mat12:31. It merely states that the person who blaspheme against the 'holy spirit' would not be forgiven. That is all. Nothing to do with the person falling sick and die. Eventually everybody dies.
Going back to the issue in question. If biblical Jesus , your man God was given authority per mat28:18 , that means there is something that has a higher authority than him as the said entity is the one granting biblical Jesus , your man God such authority. Can you address this issue?
Ha ha , you rather divert the issue to 'UMNO' lah , 'university ranking' lah ...
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wkk5159 posted on 30-10-2013 03:11 PM
Zakir Naik wannabe alias Erectile Dysfunction ustazy is still having a tough time comprehending the fantastic work of a half atheist like me.....
Now he can't even differentiate what is superstitious and what is facts....
Of course when one talk about superstition, one cannot stay away from the founder of that vile faith;
Muhammad was also extremely superstitious. He believed:
- A child resembles whichever parent climaxed first (Bukhari 55:546)
- Satan causes yawning (Bukhari 73:245)
- Spoons should be covered before going to bed (Bukhari 69:527)
- Oversleeping is caused by Satan urinating in one’s ear (Bukhari 54:492)
- The bathroom should be entered with the left foot first. (Fiqh - Islamic law)
- Keeping a dog as a pet will cost the owner a celestial reward (Bukhari 67:389)
- A man should spit only to his left (Muslim 7149)
- The penis should be held with the left hand only when urinating (Muslim 512)
- A person should wipe their butt with an odd number of stones after defecating (Bukhari 4:162)
- Satan sleeps in ones nose, so water should be snorted each day (Bukhari 54:516)
- No one should lie on their back with one foot crossing the other.
- Bad dreams can be warded off by spitting over the left side of the bed (Bukhari 87:115)
- The right shoe should be put on before the left (Muslim 514)
- No one should enter the house through the back door (Qur'an 2:189)
Muhammad also told Muslims which way to face when they defecate (back towards Mecca, per Sahih Muslim507) and which direction they should be buried (facing toward Mecca)........
Perhaps the biggest superstition (which has caused untold monetary expense and loss of life to Muslims) is that believers need to travel to Mecca and circle a meteorite seven times. This practice was borrowed directly from the Arab pagans, which even Muhammad's successors found odd (Muslim2915)......
Ha ha , where is the superstition in the cases you mentioned? The definition of superstition :
a belief or way of behaving that is based on fear of the unknown and faith in magic or luck : a belief that certain events or things will bring good or bad luck
You argued that per mat12:31 , if one is to blaspheme against the 'holy spirit' or argue against the bible , one will face some sort of calamity before death like having a stroke before death , ie. fear based upon a certain event or action
Can you now show me in any of the examples given where a person will suffer calamity and die not following what Prophet Muhammad(saw) did? Lets take a couple of examples :
(1) Satan causes yawning
It does not state of such. The Hadith states '..regards yawning, it is from Satan..' ; '...try his best to stop it,..'. Yawning in an involuntary action usually comes from being sleepy or bored. Basically the hadith tells us to be alert all the time and not to show ourselves yawning.
(2) Spoons should be covered before going to bed
In our day and age , we do keep our utensils in a drawer , ie covered. I sure hope your family does it. More so ever if you have a dog in the house
(3) The right shoe should be put on before the left
Majority of the population is right legged. Its natural the right foot is considered first.
The point here none of your examples points to superstition but just good practice or 'adab'. Superstition is when someone utilize fear with regards to an action or non action like you trying to threaten us muslims with the calamity of stroke and eventually death upon us muslims questioning the bible by bogusly referring to mat12:31.
Ha ha , try again , this time harder ...
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wkk5159 posted on 30-10-2013 11:49 PM
Try harder next time my superstitious LOON......harder....but i doubt you could since you are suffering from Erectile Dysfunction.
Loonwatch.com
"this organization is fundamentally a radical Islamic front, covering up for terrorism, spreading distorted information about the reality of rapidly spreading Islamic fundamentalism - through lies of omission. To tell a half truth is to tell a lie and the lie that Loonwatch.com tells everyday is to cover up the atrocities within Islam and only focus on attacking its critics." ------How appropriate it describe the muslims especially loony ustazy sam1528
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20 ... m-and-Radical-Islam
http://usamaredneck.typepad.com/blog/2012/01/how-loon-watch-fools-the-foolish.html
Ha ha , you are going from bad to worse.
Click on your link , it shows that you are now appealing to a person who goes by the name 'Eric Bell'. Who is 'Eric Bell' one might ask?
Remember JihadWatch zombie Eric Allen Bell (real name Eric Edborg), the failed D level-movie producer who moved to Murfreesboro, Tennessee and decided to make a documentary about the concerted anti-Mosque campaign by local conspiracy theorists and religious wing-nuts? During the time Bell was filming his documentary he used to constantly email us, asking us to publish his writings and advertise his documentary, his articles were usually so terrible that we declined. There was always something strange about Bell, and this strangeness manifested itself when Bell joined the ranks of the JihadWatch looniverse.
When Bell’s documentary failed to achieve the payback he had hoped for, (he expected to make money off of the venture, just like he does from his GlobalOne.tv site, a new-age spiritual mishmash with adverts from psychics) he turned to funding from the Islamophobia movement.
His fortunes in this regard gained some momentum, he became fast friends with Robert Spencer,
Again and again you appeal to people who have absolutely no qualifications whatsoever. I am beginning to think that you are in such desperation that you are clutching straws to remain afloat and you are just a loon of a bigot and a racist. Now you are a troll.
Poor you. This is what you get when you discard rational thinking and intelligence but uphold emotions and hate ... you are now officially the troll in this forum. Keep it up guy .... you are making the Christians cringe in horror everytime you respond. Ha ha , you have lost big time ....
Last edited by sam1528 on 31-10-2013 12:12 AM
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sam1528 posted on 31-10-2013 12:07 AM
Ha ha , you are going from bad to worse.
Click on your link , it shows that you are now appeali ...
Loony ustazy is appealing to Loonwatch.com and this make him a radical Islamist !
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20 ... -and-Radical-Islam#
Are you a Islamic fundamentalist cum terrorist ??? 
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Ha ha , repeating the same thing but expecting different results is a sign of a crazy person.
Refer to post #84 for my response
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The penis should be held with the left hand only when urinating (Muslim 512).......... 
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wkk5159 posted on 1-11-2013 08:08 AM
The penis should be held with the left hand only when urinating (Muslim 512)..........
Oh , you mean for your case when you pee , both on your hands are on your hips and you splash away? Ha ha , this is what we call 'indiscriminate peeing'.
BTW do you unzip your pants before peeing or leave it zipped .... ha ha
Last edited by sam1528 on 1-11-2013 12:21 PM
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sam1528 posted on 1-11-2013 11:50 AM
Oh , you mean for your case when you pee , both on your hands are on your hips and you splash away ...
Your muslims truly are just micro reflection of your alpha male ulama Zakir Naik, don't you ?
You must be masturbating using your left hand too then.....
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The bathroom should be entered with the left foot first. (Fiqh - Islamic law).......
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Post time 29-10-2013 02:47 PM
