Sephiroth posted on 9-7-2013 08:27 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
They can detect natural disasters and safe lives, which is more than your Allah or Jesus did for their believers.
During the Japanese Earthquake couple of years ago, flooding in Malaysia as well as other disasters, it was modern technology like SMS and FB which made sure people were connected and information was flowing continuously, thus saving lives. So do not talk down on "worldly gadgets". They are proven to save lives.
Really? No one can escape death which has been fixed - time and place
But one can choose to die as a believer or remain in disbelief
- when zombies shall remember all that they strove for...
Living witness were given tests for them to think and ponder
gadgets makes them too bz of this world but 'the message' is the Sign for them to reflect
to save mankind - their belief of The Creator and The Judgement Day
- i'm not sure all the death toll, missing, injured, etc. have gadgets with them, they can't afford is it?
So what? Their products are all stolen from other nations. They steal them, dismantle them, learn and duplicate them and then reproduce the same model for cheaper price. China is nothing more than World's chop-shop (kedai potong kereta) and Chinese are nothing but thieves. Even here in Malaysia, it is the Chinese who are behind most of the gambling, prostitute bins as well as illegal software and hardware business.
You couldn't understand the effect till someday you open a business and a Chinese fellow opens the same business opposite of you after he steals from you and produce a cheaper version. Then you know the economical impact of such actions.
You still don't get it, do you?
Remember the global economic crisis 97-98...2004-2008?
When all Bluechip company retreating their own labour market - retrench?
This technology transfer from EU, US, even Japan and Koria , etc.
are in the form of foreign investment (bonded) - China owns almost half of them
In short, China bought all the debts across the globe...so that USDollar still can survive.
China brougt back the true 'free' market which can destroy the market monopoly!
- now every nation wants their Great Pandas...but even they are too good to be true, they still a puppet.
Nonsense. First of all, Self-Sufficiency is the way of the future, not global trade. IF each nation were to produce food production in their lands for its people, no one will be starving to death. Secondly, economic flow should be circulating within the nation and among its people. If money flows out of the country, it is called bleeding wealth. And lastly, I have no objection to privatization of businesses, as long as the business is controlled and run by local people for the beneficts of the local economy. I do not support privatization of business to foreigners.
I'm not talking about privatization of business...
- 1Malaysia is The Company!
The global nation was privatised when central banks were put beside of each government
Even the money flows locally, the profit still goes to The Company and that's not our money
- All the taxes itself can't developed this country to the extend of what we have today esp. China
i.e. infrastructures (transport, community, communication, etc.), electricity, water supply, etc.
- Government suppose to provide all this, but they privatized them for Wawasan 2020...~
Business is business, usury is not a business but banks make a lot of profit from it - oppressing the market and economy
My question: Who owned Bank Negara Malaysia? The people? Or the capitalists?
Self-sufficient, close-trade, free-market, indipendent consumers, etc. can only run in a mikro community - off the grid
Your children is not government's problem. When are you going to understand that part? Or are you too lazy to take responsible for your own actions and children?
Yes, Sephiroth. Understood that.
So don't blame the kids being zombies doing this and that.
The blame is to their parents who failed to educate their kids and manage their family indipendently.
1 & 2 - They have the right to change their evil ways OR the right to die for their mistakes. They have NO RIGHTS to ask the society to take care their stupid existence.
3. Then hang the ministry first.
4. We can produce drugs for medicine but it must be controlled. Anyone who uses them for no medical purpose must be given counseling ONCE, jail sentence TWICE, tougher jail sentence THIRD TIME. And if it still fails, KILL HIM.
1. & 2. If the Twin Towers collapse, then we could blame them i.e. the foreign architects, engineers, contractors and its labours...
3. Ofkos, Sephiroth.
4. Why don't we start over with locallly natural organic herbs, etc.
rather than synthetically (100% imported) manufactured drugs? Ketum for start?
- easier to control but cannot collect import tax laa...
I'm not sure all the death toll, missing, injured, etc. have gadgets with them, they can't afford is it?
I can ask the same thing - all those people who believed but died anyway, why? Your god were too busy doing something else or they did not have enough faith?
In short, China bought all the debts across the globe...so that USDollar still can survive.
China brought back the true 'free' market which can destroy the market monopoly!
Whahahahah ... You're just another China-branded coolie. Sorry, I don't buy china brands. I prefer genuine and high-quality stuff from Germany and Japan. You can stay in your ghetto with your China brand ciplaks.
'm not talking about privatization of business...
- 1Malaysia is The Company!
1Malaysia is bullshit. No one bothers about it. Go to the 1Malaysia Clinic, it is empty. Go and see 1Malaysia stores, very little people and most of them goes to hypermarkets. IF 1Malaysia is a company, it will go bankrupt very soon.
Self-sufficient, close-trade, free-market, indipendent consumers, etc. can only run in a mikro community - off the grid
Nope, it can run for an entire community. Grow own food, produce own electrical powers, produce own technology (it is OK to share) and educate the kids to become self-sufficient and independant. This is the way of the future and many governments and big sectors (like power companies) fears this concept more than anything.
IF self-sufficient society grows, Democracy, Communism, Socialism etc WILL COLLAPSE. Power companies will have no busness cos everyone will be generating their own powers. Educational system will be based on knowledge obtained on the spots and not something cooked up by the Government (like your history books today) and Religion like Islam will fail cos Jihad will not happen. It will be impossible for self-sufficient society to launch long-term warfare against another society and still function normally.
1. & 2. If the Twin Towers collapse, then we could blame them i.e. the foreign architects, engineers, contractors and its labours...
Twin Towers? Blame Osama bin Laden and Al Queda.
4. Why don't we start over with locallly natural organic herbs, etc.
rather than synthetically (100% imported) manufactured drugs? Ketum for start?
- easier to control but cannot collect import tax laa...
Ketum is made illegal, same as ganja. Why do you want to start there?
Sephiroth posted on 10-7-2013 12:20 PM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
I can ask the same thing - all those people who believed but died anyway, why? Your god were too busy doing something else or they did not have enough faith?
Because belief/faith is not a gadget
When they see so many Signs and believed in it
Surely they will repent and struggle to improve their belief/faith
and be steadfastly persevere for what lies ahead them, even death.
Whahahahah ... You're just another China-branded coolie. Sorry, I don't buy china brands. I prefer genuine and high-quality stuff from Germany and Japan. You can stay in your ghetto with your China brand ciplaks.
See.
Some still can't differentiate between
'made in China' and 'designed by Others assembled in China'
Ofkos both are 'made in China'...
In short, manufactured there and imported from them
i.e. Apple, Sony, Honda, BMW, Siemens, etc.
1Malaysia is bullshit. No one bothers about it. Go to the 1Malaysia Clinic, it is empty. Go and see 1Malaysia stores, very little people and most of them goes to hypermarkets. IF 1Malaysia is a company, it will go bankrupt very soon.
1Malaysia is a corporate brand
and it will never go bakrupt - because Malaysians are their capital.
Even if Malaysians don't buy their products, they will give them for free
Go and ask APCO...
Nope, it can run for an entire community. Grow own food, produce own electrical powers, produce own technology (it is OK to share) and educate the kids to become self-sufficient and independant. This is the way of the future and many governments and big sectors (like power companies) fears this concept more than anything.
IF self-sufficient society grows, Democracy, Communism, Socialism etc WILL COLLAPSE. Power companies will have no busness cos everyone will be generating their own powers. Educational system will be based on knowledge obtained on the spots and not something cooked up by the Government (like your history books today) and Religion like Islam will fail cos Jihad will not happen. It will be impossible for self-sufficient society to launch long-term warfare against another society and still function normally.
Entire community? You mean Malaysians as a whole? How is it possible?
- how to detach the whole society from 'corporate' dependencies???
Jihad is not as narrow as waging war against one another...
but as simple as to command what is right and forbid wrong conduct
from the deepest struggle - from the heart
Twin Towers? Blame Osama bin Laden and Al Queda.
Ask Tim Osman and the Talibans...
Ketum is made illegal, same as ganja. Why do you want to start there?
This is how you judge, so be it.
Then, why sould we legalize synthetically modified opium?
Painkillers/medicines/etc. blindfolds us from the real cause of diseases
- preventive meassures are the best sollution
Surely they will repent and struggle to improve their belief/faith
and be steadfastly persevere for what lies ahead them, even death.
In another word, your faith doesn't save lives but give them false hope that they will be taken care of when they die.
That is the difference between false religion and true religion. True religion teaches its followers about Faith and Spiritualism but at the same time, tells them to learn and use worldly knowledge like technology and Science.
In short, manufactured there and imported from them
i.e. Apple, Sony, Honda, BMW, Siemens, etc.
I buy according to the label and its guarantees. If it says "Made in China" I don't buy. IF something I buy (like a car) breaks down within the warranty year, the person I buy it from will be hearing from my lawyer. Only cheapskates will settle for cheap products.
Even if Malaysians don't buy their products, they will give them for free
Go and ask APCO...
Only cheapstakes will be bothered about such offers. That is why when Bersih 2.0 and 3.0 as well as the Black Rally was commencing, tens of thousands of people who loves this country had gathered. They are not cheapstakes like you.
Entire community? You mean Malaysians as a whole? How is it possible?
- how to detach the whole society from 'corporate' dependencies???
There was no "corporate dependencies" 500 yrs ago before the Muslims and Portugis came. Every society were independent and lived in co-existence with one another. You can find empires like Majapahit, Srivijaya and Siam and even read about war among them but it did not touch the people who continued to live in harmony. These was because these people were independent and lived according to the bounty of the land. The food they grew was for them; the resource they gathered, was for them and the laws and government was created by them (their elders) and implemented by the (chosen) strong for themselves. They did not need any "corporate" or "elites" to rule over them and they did not need any religious laws either.
from the deepest struggle - from the heart
Bullshit and you know it. IF Jihad means struggle from the heart, then why Muslims doesn't change over the years? Many nations are still under poverty and even Muslim youths here are more like gangsters and hooligans than good people. Answer is - Jihad is struggle from the heart is BULLSHIT. The easy Jihad is to kill non-Muslims or die as Syahid.
Sephiroth posted on 28-6-2013 02:03 PM
by Dzulqarnain
"Because nothing good comes from Christianity and Islam. We do not need useless religion on Planet."
When i first did my research into comparative religions, the first two religions i culled were Hinduism & Islam, in many aspects, Hinduism are even worse than Islam;
a. Caste system, basically systematically discriminating people into different class ! This is religious feudalism at its finest form !
b. Bride has to pay dowry to groom ! Every year, thousands of Indian brides died because they couldn't fulfill the dowry demand from grooms !
c. Animals are worshipped as gods ! From elephant to cow to rat, you name it !
d. It is not a universal religion, basically Hindusm is confined to Sudroid race !
I just couldn't find anything positive about Hinduism !
Sephiroth posted on 9-7-2013 08:27 AM
by Dzulqarnain
" So what? Their products are all stolen from other nations. They steal them, dismantle them, learn and duplicate them and then reproduce the same model for cheaper price. China is nothing more than World's chop-shop (kedai potong kereta) and Chinese are nothing but thieves. Even here in Malaysia, it is the Chinese who are behind most of the gambling, prostitute bins as well as illegal software and hardware business.
You couldn't understand the effect till someday you open a business and a Chinese fellow opens the same business opposite of you after he steals from you and produce a cheaper version. Then you know the economical impact of such actions."
You really are a racist bigot, don't you ?
I can sense strong "sour grape" oozing from the mouth of Sudroid Sephiroth ( btw, get an authentic Indian avatar name and change your avatar image to Indian demigod and not a Japanese manga !) .
If i were you, i will be more concern about why Indians make up most of violent gang criminals in Malaysia despite being the smallest race in terms of number of 3 major races in Malaysia !
Simple math, population of about the same but India's GDP and GDP per capita is only about a third of China !
If i were you, i will be humbled by this data, shut up and learn to respet others. Go and reflect on yourself, do some serious self criticism if you still have some self-worth left in you !
Sephiroth posted on 11-7-2013 09:42 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
In another word, your faith doesn't save lives but give them false hope that they will be taken care of when they die.
That is the difference between false religion and true religion. True religion teaches its followers about Faith and Spiritualism but at the same time, tells them to learn and use worldly knowledge like technology and Science.
There is nothing wrong with worldly knowledge i.e. science and technology
but at the same time religion teaches criterion (to judge between right and wrong)
- you choose
I buy according to the label and its guarantees. If it says "Made in China" I don't buy. IF something I buy (like a car) breaks down within the warranty year, the person I buy it from will be hearing from my lawyer. Only cheapskates will settle for cheap products.
Labels would not make consumers wiser, doncha know?
Only cheapstakes will be bothered about such offers. That is why when Bersih 2.0 and 3.0 as well as the Black Rally was commencing, tens of thousands of people who loves this country had gathered. They are not cheapstakes like you.
How would you know?
So dark and blackened, it is hard to see which of them bothered consumed them.
i.e. BR1M, PR1MA, KR1M, etc.
There was no "corporate dependencies" 500 yrs ago before the Muslims and Portugis came. Every society were independent and lived in co-existence with one another. You can find empires like Majapahit, Srivijaya and Siam and even read about war among them but it did not touch the people who continued to live in harmony. These was because these people were independent and lived according to the bounty of the land. The food they grew was for them; the resource they gathered, was for them and the laws and government was created by them (their elders) and implemented by the (chosen) strong for themselves. They did not need any "corporate" or "elites" to rule over them and they did not need any religious laws either.
Then, how is it possible for a post-colonial nation i.e. Malaysia?
Bullshit and you know it. IF Jihad means struggle from the heart, then why Muslims doesn't change over the years? Many nations are still under poverty and even Muslim youths here are more like gangsters and hooligans than good people. Answer is - Jihad is struggle from the heart is BULLSHIT. The easy Jihad is to kill non-Muslims or die as Syahid.
Can you see what inside the heart?
Or you just sit in front of the television and do the ramblings...
I can sense strong "sour grape" oozing from the mouth of Sudroid Sephiroth ( btw, get an authentic Indian avatar name and change your avatar image to Indian demigod and not a Japanese manga !) .
And this intelligent remarks comes from an idiot who uses cartoon character as his avatar.
There is nothing wrong with worldly knowledge i.e. science and technology but at the same time religion teaches criterion (to judge between right and wrong) - you choose
So if a religion comes along and tells you that is is OK to kill someone for not believing in the same religion as you do, that is the "right" thing to do?
Don't be stupid. Religion doesn't teach you anything. It points the way. It is you who have to choose what is right and wrong and that did not change since Dawn of Times.
Labels would not make consumers wiser, doncha know?
No, but it makes sure you don't get fooled into buy duplicated produces. And even if you buy duplicated products, you can still have the right to sue the person who sold it as original. It is part of Costumer Rights, go and read about it.
Then, how is it possible for a post-colonial nation i.e. Malaysia?
First steps - Stop all exports to outside and use the resources for the people (like petroleum and gasoline). IF Malaysia were to sell the petroleum it is harvesting offshore to its own people, it will reduce the petrol price and decrease price for everything else.
Second step - Stop all imports of non-essential items from outside which decrease money flowing out. People should be allowed to import goods if they have the money, but other non-essential items like imported cars etc should be stopped.
Third step - Stop all flow of money going out of the country, especially through Indons, Bangladeshis, and Pakistianis. Eventually, they should be shipped back to their own nations and the jobs they left behind should be given back to the people of the country.
Fourth step - Increase Science and Technology in the country and improve innovations on biodiesels, solar and wind technology.
There are many things we can do in the nation to make it self-sufficient, but BN Government is not doing it because their cronies are making money out of the suffering of the people.
Can you see what inside the heart?
What is the need to see inside a person's heart when their actions speaks clearly of what is inside their hearts?
Sephiroth posted on 12-7-2013 10:24 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
So if a religion comes along and tells you that is is OK to kill someone for not believing in the same religion as you do, that is the "right" thing to do?
Don't be stupid. Religion doesn't teach you anything. It points the way. It is you who have to choose what is right and wrong and that did not change since Dawn of Times.
Ofkos not, Sephiroth.
The Word of God was Divinely sent down into the heart of a noble guided one s.a.w.
Enlights the differences between good and bad/evil, right and wrong, truth and falsehood, etc.
- Mankind were given freewill to choose wether it is based from Guidance or whispers of the Devil
No, but it makes sure you don't get fooled into buy duplicated produces. And even if you buy duplicated products, you can still have the right to sue the person who sold it as original. It is part of Costumer Rights, go and read about it.
Yes, sure Sephiroth.
First steps - Stop all exports to outside and use the resources for the people (like petroleum and gasoline). IF Malaysia were to sell the petroleum it is harvesting offshore to its own people, it will reduce the petrol price and decrease price for everything else.
Second step - Stop all imports of non-essential items from outside which decrease money flowing out. People should be allowed to import goods if they have the money, but other non-essential items like imported cars etc should be stopped.
Third step - Stop all flow of money going out of the country, especially through Indons, Bangladeshis, and Pakistianis. Eventually, they should be shipped back to their own nations and the jobs they left behind should be given back to the people of the country.
Fourth step - Increase Science and Technology in the country and improve innovations on biodiesels, solar and wind technology.
There are many things we can do in the nation to make it self-sufficient, but BN Government is not doing it because their cronies are making money out of the suffering of the people.
What about Ringgit Malaysia??? It can't survive without US Dollar reserve (import-export)
The World now is having problems with the monetary, do you still have trust with the Ringgit?
What is the need to see inside a person's heart when their actions speaks clearly of what is inside their hearts?
How can you see the cameraman, the crew, scriptwriter, director, editor, etc. when they are not acting?
Is one-view enough for you to judge the whole?
Mankind were given freewill to choose wether it is based from Guidance or whispers of the Devil
Edited : If you say Mankind have freewill to choose, then your prophet has NO work in this World.
What about Ringgit Malaysia??? It can't survive without US Dollar reserve (import-export)
The World now is having problems with the monetary, do you still have trust with the Ringgit?
Ringgit can survive, if the circulation of wealth is within one's own country. Buy own product, give the money to the shopkeeper who then use it to buy from wholeseller who use it to buy from producers who then use the money to give to the workers who then use it to buy products and the circle continues. Where got Dollar US here?
How can you see the cameraman, the crew, scriptwriter, director, editor, etc. when they are not acting?
Is one-view enough for you to judge the whole?
It doesn't matter what they do when they are not acting. What they do during the action and in front of the camera which defines an actor. An actor is a person who does the performance and he is judge according to his actions, NOT for what he does in his own private time.
In that same way, whatever you do in your own time MEANS NOTHING to me. That is your choice inside the four corners of your house. Once you leave your house, your actions in the real world defines who you are. A madman confined in a room is treated as a person's son or father etc, BUT once he is loose in the street and act mad, he is treated as a madman, NOT someone's son or father. Last edited by Sephiroth on 16-7-2013 10:02 AM
Sephiroth posted on 15-7-2013 11:42 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
If you say Mankind have freewill to choose, then your prophet has work in this World.
The Messanger s.a.w. has done his time and left his message to the worlds.
Ringgit can survive, if the circulation of wealth is within one's own country. Buy own product, give the money to the shopkeeper who then use it to buy from wholeseller who use it to buy from producers who then use the money to give to the workers who then use it to buy products and the circle continues. Where got Dollar US here?
Each and every one of the nation's currency is based on US Dollar according to the IMF.
And the World Bank followed by all central banks agreed upon that - this is how the circulating matters.
- Pls check the signature on the note, tq.
In Britain, minorities started to barter trade in smal quantity of consumables.
In the US, doomsday preppers () also started self-produced food, smart home, etc.
While the global trend is moving the same direction and ofkos at a very high price.
- They no longer trust the 'In God We Trust' motto on the notes...
It doesn't matter what they do when they are not acting. What they do during the action and in front of the camera which defines an actor. An actor is a person who does the performance and he is judge according to his actions, NOT for what he does in his own private time.
In that same way, whatever you do in your own time MEANS NOTHING to me. That is your choice inside the four corners of your house. Once you leave your house, your actions in the real world defines who you are. A madman confined in a room is treated as a person's son or father etc, BUT once he is loose in the street and act mad, he is treated as a madman, NOT someone's son or father.
True. But it is impossible to capture the whole globe.
Yet, by judging one anonymous mad person from his ID
plus testifying "I'm a Muslim", without seeing deep into his heart?
- Is he a true muslim or jz an actor/spy/ghost/etc.?
Does Islam disallow other religion to fairly compete? Or the government/authority?
Or it was jz a propaganda to make all religion competing with each other?
Each and every one of the nation's currency is based on US Dollar according to the IMF.
And the World Bank followed by all central banks agreed upon that - this is how the circulating matters.
- Pls check the signature on the note, tq.
And why should I care about IMF when I believe that a country has the right to determine its own monetary values and circulate its own wealth and money within its borders?
Yet, by judging one anonymous mad person from his ID
plus testifying "I'm a Muslim", without seeing deep into his heart?
I know many Muslims who prays five times a day but still steal from the company they work for with excuse like - "Rezeki saya lah". I have seen it with my own eyes. Also, I have seen Muslim policemen taking bribes on the street during Ramadhan times. So who cares what their IDs are or what in their hearts? Their actions speaks of their attitude and their faith clearly.
Does Islam disallow other religion to fairly compete? Or the government/authority?
Or it was jz a propaganda to make all religion competing with each other?
Islam disallows other religions to move forward because if it does that, Muslims know that many youngsters will leave Islam for other religions.
Sephiroth posted on 16-7-2013 10:10 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
And why should I care about IMF when I believe that a country has the right to determine its own monetary values and circulate its own wealth and money within its borders?
Then you should ask Gaddafi lor...
You can close all borders like Japan did
yet you need to come up with alternative monetary (with intrinsic value)
because national debts will turn the Ringgit to no value
- then you should prepare for war, Atok Long will choke your throat for his money!
I know many Muslims who prays five times a day but still steal from the company they work for with excuse like - "Rezeki saya lah". I have seen it with my own eyes. Also, I have seen Muslim policemen taking bribes on the street during Ramadhan times. So who cares what their IDs are or what in their hearts? Their actions speaks of their attitude and their faith clearly.
Nice examples of part-time muslims, tq.
On the holistic view, they forgot that The Almighty God, All seeing, All Hearing.
Should we make equal those who guard against evil
the same as those who turn aside from the right?
Islam disallows other religions to move forward because if it does that, Muslims know that many youngsters will leave Islam for other religions.
That is stupid statement. What does Gaddafi have to do with this? It depends on individual nations to accept or reject IMF policy. You are making excuses like Gaddafi here.
You can close all borders like Japan did
yet you need to come up with alternative monetary (with intrinsic value)
because national debts will turn the Ringgit to no value
As long as the wealth of the nation is circulate within the borders and enjoyed by its people, I will not be bothered by National debts or monetary values (set by outsiders). Those people can look for Mahathir or Najib to settle their debts.
Should we make equal those who guard against evil
the same as those who turn aside from the right?
We can IF those who guard against evil does NOTHING against those who have turn against the right. IF you want to preach Islam as a religion that can guard you against Evil, you must address the situation within your own society instead of preaching it to non-Muslims. Because it is ridiculous to preach about Islam when your own society is like crap.
Please elaborate more on 'move forward', tq.
Why don't you elaborate why death penalty is the punishment for those who leaves Islam?
Sephiroth posted on 18-7-2013 03:25 PM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
That is stupid statement. What does Gaddafi have to do with this? It depends on individual nations to accept or reject IMF policy. You are making excuses like Gaddafi here.
Jz because he rejected the US Dollar for his oil, doncha know?
Or you jz sit in front of the TV and eat whatever news served then burp! out loud?
- Now, which nation dare to challenge the US Dollar??? My answer: None
The articles of the IMF is for all nation states under the UN - not for warring state
and ofkos every nation state have a central bank...
- you need to counter this first laa...BNM
As long as the wealth of the nation is circulate within the borders and enjoyed by its people, I will not be bothered by National debts or monetary values (set by outsiders). Those people can look for Mahathir or Najib to settle their debts.
I thought you went to vote for elections, were you?
- meaning, you agreed upon democratically elected leaders - the political system
Now, you are being irresponsible voters??? Why do you vote?
Wealth is wealth
commonwealth is for the Queen
but paper currencies (fiat money i.e. RM) is not wealth but debt
- Here is one examples F.Y.I. - modern money mechanics
We can IF those who guard against evil does NOTHING against those who have turn against the right. IF you want to preach Islam as a religion that can guard you against Evil, you must address the situation within your own society instead of preaching it to non-Muslims. Because it is ridiculous to preach about Islam when your own society is like crap.
That's the problem, how could you see something you not?
- which society were you pointing at? Kingdom of the Saudis? Or your own society?
If you confront a bribe, jz reject it - no bribery done right?
But if you accept it, then you are jz the same as them (done nothing i.e. submit to the oppressor)
When you struggle to reject and report it to their bosses - protecting yourself and others from his evil act
or you reject it and warn them with a threat for a bigger bribe - oppressing the oppressor = oppressor
- Same goes to all unjust act i.e. stealing from the company, etc.
Is it necessary to call their ulamak to give them advice or even preach them at that time???
- Does this sounds a bit more serious than ridiculous, seriously?
Don't you have your own responsibilites of your own community/society?
Why don't you elaborate why death penalty is the punishment for those who leaves Islam?
Penalties/punishments is a one line verse at the end of so many verses harmoniously in-sync (as a whole)
- you can not commence at one end without establishing other implimentation
z because he rejected the US Dollar for his oil, doncha know?
And he could be considered one of the cause for USA's interference in Middle East. Gaddafi refuse to sell oil or try to control the price of oil, USA get worried and decides to intervene directly and 20 yrs later, we have the Gulf Wars.
- Now, which nation dare to challenge the US Dollar??? My answer: None
So what? USA is not God in the World. If no one challenges USA, then let Malaysia be the first by starting a Self-Sufficient Society.
I thought you went to vote for elections, were you?
- meaning, you agreed upon democratically elected leaders - the political system
Now, you are being irresponsible voters??? Why do you vote?
I fail to see how I being a responsible voter have anything to do with our local political system or democracy. Malaysia is NOT a democratic nation, it is under BN regime. That is why people we did not elect are sitting in Parliment now.
That's the problem, how could you see something you not?
- which society were you pointing at? Kingdom of the Saudis? Or your own society?
Whatever nonsense you say, one thing is certain - Islam cannot make a person into a good person. That much is certain.
Penalties/punishments is a one line verse at the end of so many verses harmoniously in-sync (as a whole)
- you can not commence at one end without establishing other implimentation
Is there any other punishment for those who leave Islam under Syariah Laws? I bet there isn't. Therefore, I return to my original question - Explain WHY death penalty is necessary for those who leave Islam? Explain please.
Sephiroth posted on 19-7-2013 10:11 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
And he could be considered one of the cause for USA's interference in Middle East. Gaddafi refuse to sell oil or try to control the price of oil, USA get worried and decides to intervene directly and 20 yrs later, we have the Gulf Wars.
Meaning, you have no control of the commonwealth
No country can demand any price of oil for gold
So what? USA is not God in the World. If no one challenges USA, then let Malaysia be the first by starting a Self-Sufficient Society.
Yes. For me if you can make the central bank banish that is a good start.
- ofkos you need to chase the governor exposing the truth
I fail to see how I being a responsible voter have anything to do with our local political system or democracy. Malaysia is NOT a democratic nation, it is under BN regime. That is why people we did not elect are sitting in Parliment now.
Logically, by knowing the system has corrupt, why vote?
Whatever nonsense you say, one thing is certain - Islam cannot make a person into a good person. That much is certain.
And this certainty belongs to the rubbish bin.
Is there any other punishment for those who leave Islam under Syariah Laws? I bet there isn't. Therefore, I return to my original question - Explain WHY death penalty is necessary for those who leave Islam? Explain please.
When truth came, falsehood banish
- death is equal to banishment
Meaning, you have no control of the commonwealth
No country can demand any price of oil for gold
Of course you cannot demand gold for oil. You live in what century?
Monetary values of a paper-money is determined by gold (and other precious natural resources) in a country's stock, in its imports as well as technology (which is true to Japan and South Korea). If you demand gold for oil, it means you are looking for trouble.
Yes. For me if you can make the central bank banish that is a good start.
- ofkos you need to chase the governor exposing the truth
Nope, God will do the necessary change when time comes. He always does.
Logically, by knowing the system has corrupt, why vote?
Because it is the only thing we can do for now.
And this certainty belongs to the rubbish bin.
Your whole society and Islam belongs in a rubbish bin. The World does not require nonsense like Islam or pathetic race like the Muslims.
When truth came, falsehood banish
- death is equal to banishment
No, Death is not equal to banishment. Banishment means you remove a person from the society. NOT KILL him. And you have NO evidence to support Islam is Truth. For all we know, Islam is created by the Devil to deceive Humanity.
Sephiroth posted on 22-7-2013 10:49 AM
by Dzulqarnain
By Sephiroth
Of course you cannot demand gold for oil. You live in what century?
Monetary values of a paper-money is determined by gold (and other precious natural resources) in a country's stock, in its imports as well as technology (which is true to Japan and South Korea). If you demand gold for oil, it means you are looking for trouble.
You should refer it as decades...
In the 40's you can say it backed by gold standards (none others)
but in the 70's no more gold after losing more than half of its value (USD)
- then came PetroDollar (backed by oil standard)
Libya (Gaddafi) wanted to get-out from this district
he rejected the devalued PetroDollar (USD) for a fixed value of gold
- ofkos la 'at that time' Sephiroth, and that is why NATO came interfering.
Nope, God will do the necessary change when time comes. He always does.
Then, patience is a great struggle.
Because it is the only thing we can do for now.
You only being their statistics - wired network.
Your whole society and Islam belongs in a rubbish bin. The World does not require nonsense like Islam or pathetic race like the Muslims.
You mean history doesn't make any sense at all?
Go and wipe it out la...
No, Death is not equal to banishment. Banishment means you remove a person from the society. NOT KILL him. And you have NO evidence to support Islam is Truth. For all we know, Islam is created by the Devil to deceive Humanity.
Your opinion does not count, ofkos.
I rather call it self-accused.
Because you accepted to be deceived by the devil.
- When in pledge/oaths, one knew the consequences
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