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Sephiroth posted on 23-4-2013 04:25 PM 
What happened? Got scared of them? Your tone changed from challenging Islam toward more tolerant p ... Go and read Al Quran again. Those 122 verse speaks peace between Muslims and his fellow Muslims, NOT with non-Muslims. Laws for Non-Muslims are simple - Fight till they submit, force them to pay Jizyah till they convert, or hunt them down and kill them.
Penerangan telah di beri, kalau kau ingin mengatakan penerangan aku tu salah, tolong share tang mana yang salah. kalau takde rebuttal, tolong duduk diam2. insulting people won't get you anywhere. in fact, it lowers yourself and your religion. Aku yakin Hindu ajar kau supaya bertingkah laku baik, kan? Kalau Hindu tak ajar, mesti kau pernah masuk kelas moral masa sekolah dulu, kan?
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wkk5159 posted on 23-4-2013 04:50 PM
No, i'm not scared of them at all.
I will try the soft persuading method first....see what is t ...
You are fooling yourself and wasting your time in expecting anything "rational" from this madmen calling themselves Muslims. Especially now that their retarded and mentally unstable Gunblade712 is in the forum. Nothing useful will come out from his mouth.
But it is your time to waste, so I will not be bothered. I for one will wait out till that freak runs out of steam and crawl back to his hole somewhere.  |
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Aduhai, kesian aku tengok orang bukan islam ...sudah terang lagi bersuluh, islam telah menghadapi cabaran sejak 1400 tahun lebih, namun sampai kini ternyata mereka yang menentang islam itulah yang gagal. Islam ibarat air sungai yang mengalir, tidak ada apa yang boleh menyekatnya dari terus mengalir. Islam ibarat hujan, membawa rahmat seseluruh alam, dibandar, dikampung, di daratan dan dilautan juga hujan turun.
Sebagai satu bukti kebenaran islam, orang bukan islam tidak mempunyai upaya untuk menggunakan perumpamaan dalam hujah mereka, sebab perumpamaan hanyalah untuk islam. |
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Dan perumpamaan orang-orang kafir adalah seperti penggembala yang memanggil binatang yang tidak mendengar selain panggilan dan seruan saja . Mereka tuli, bisu dan buta, maka mereka tidak mengerti.(Al-Baqarah:171)
Telah jelaslah perumpamaan ini dimana orang kafir itu tidak boleh memahami apa yang orang islam sampaikan. kasihan...
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wkk5159 posted on 23-4-2013 04:50 PM
No, i'm not scared of them at all.
I will try the soft persuading method first....see what is their response.
Unless they can give me a convincing answer....but so far i think iit is almost impossible....
They will definitely kiss the dust if they try to give stupid ignorant responses.....
Ha ha , the issue is simple. You appeal to emotions rather than data. That is all you are good for anyway.
The following is the analysis of Prof Juan Cole (Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan).
As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression. This massive carnage did not occur because European Christians are worse than or different from other human beings, but because they were the first to industrialize war and pursue a national model. Sometimes it is argued that they did not act in the name of religion but of nationalism. But, really, how naive. Religion and nationalism are closely intertwined
I don’t figure that Muslims killed more than a 2 million people or so in political violence in the entire twentieth century, and that mainly in the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988 and the Soviet and post-Soviet wars in Afghanistan, for which Europeans bear some blame.
Compare that to the Christian European tally of, oh, lets say 100 million (16 million in WW I, 60 million in WW II– though some of those were attributable to Buddhists in Asia– and millions more in colonial wars.)
It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll I mentioned above
Prof Cole analysis
Where is your data to refute me? Keep looking ..... you will never find it. Ha ha , perhaps in 'Atlas Shrug' or 'Jihad Watch'. Poor you. You are one kissing the dust ....
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sam1528 posted on 24-4-2013 09:43 AM
Ha ha , the issue is simple. You appeal to emotions rather than data. That is all you are good for ...
Kakaka.......my lecherous toothless doggy ustazy is so bruised from his last debate due to his apparent lies and now he want to further embarrass himself here....kakakaka...you are most welcome !
That figure of death you potrayed is not representative of terrorism at all. It is the combination of predominantly WWI and WWII figure whereby mostly were fought in Christian countries ( like i said before, all muslim countries were too retrograde and backward by the turn of 20th century to even participate in it, anyone knows that blood thirsty muslim countries will definitely not miss the party if they're able and capable of !).
Those wars are not the wars of terroism you imbecilic idiot !
It's a war between Alliance("Good ") and Axis( "Evil"). It is war to fight Imperialism and Facism !
An interesting fact is that the demonic Hitler(Axis) admired Islam;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923233/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM0hxyXEsw
But In 21st century, virtually no religious group are associated with terroism anymore except Islam !
Just Google the internet the answer is right in front of you all....
Don't believe, try key in Christianity and terroism & Islam and terroism respectively, these are what you get from Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism......The page is so short, there are virtually no existing so called "Christian Terrorist" anymore, even the most famous Northern Irish Catholic militant(now virtually defunct !) had stopped their terror act against British(not against any civilians woldwide like Muslim terrorist) for independence.
Now we take a look at Islamic terrorism; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism ......the page are filled with lengthy list of terrorist unrivalled by any other faith. All are still active and very relevant to this very day ! (Funny, Islam is bottoming all aspect of development but champion in terrorism!)
Who are you to fool ah ??? My lecherous toothless doggy ustazy......i can see your stinky necrotic VD birdy is tangling precariously......oh no, no body even bother !
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wkk5159 posted on 24-4-2013 10:44 AM
Kakaka.......my lecherous toothless doggy ustazy is so bruised from his last debate due to his apparent lies and now he want to further embarrass himself here....kakakaka...you are most welcome !
That figure of death you potrayed is not representative of terrorism at all. It is the combination of predominantly WWI and WWII figure whereby mostly were fought in Christian countries ( like i said before, all muslim countries were too retrograde and backward by the turn of 20th century to even participate in it, anyone knows that blood thirsty muslim countries will definitely not miss the party if they're able and capable of !).
Those wars are not the wars of terroism you imbecilic idiot !
It's a war between Alliance("Good ") and Axis( "Evil"). It is war to fight Imperialism and Facism !
An interesting fact is that the demonic Hitler(Axis) admired Islam;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923233/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM0hxyXEsw
But In 21st century, virtually no religious group are associated with terroism anymore except Islam !
Just Google the internet the answer is right in front of you all....
Don't believe, try key in Christianity and terroism & Islam and terroism respectively, these are what you get from Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism......The page is so short, there are virtually no existing so called "Christian Terrorist" anymore, even the most famous Northern Irish Catholic militant(now virtually defunct !) had stopped their terror act against British(not against any civilians woldwide like Muslim terrorist) for independence.
Now we take a look at Islamic terrorism; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism ......the page are filled with lengthy list of terrorist unrivalled by any other faith. All are still active and very relevant to this very day ! (Funny, Islam is bottoming all aspect of development but champion in terrorism!)
Who are you to fool ah ??? My lecherous toothless doggy ustazy......i can see your stinky necrotic VD birdy is tangling precariously......oh no, no body even bother !
Ha ha , I asked for data from you to refute me. What have you provided? Nothing except
- Hitler admired Islam
- a youtube video
- wikipedia on christian terrorism & Islam terrorism
Can you think clearly and provide me data and the analysis of credible scholars to refute me? BTW , even though Hitler admired Islam , he was still a Christian. His followers who committed atrocities were christians. Ha ha , wikipedia? I thought most in the academic circles do not acknowledge the wikipedia. Ha ha , scraping the bottom of the barrel , I see.
The issue now is that who has killed more? Christians or Islam? As it stands , you guys are winning hands down. Lets do a simple comparison :
- Boston bombers - ~ 3 killed
- Anders Brevik - ~ 69 killed
What about the drone attacks
There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.
Drone attacks
The fingers on the trigger of the drones - christian or muslims? This is what we call industralising war. Christians or muslims? Pssst .... how do people like you salute the 'kinght templar' way? Ha ha
Ha ha , this is pathetic rebuttal from you. I asked for data , you provide bullshit. Hmm , whats new ...ha ha
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wkk5159 posted on 24-4-2013 10:44 AM
Kakaka.......my lecherous toothless doggy ustazy is so bruised from his last debate due to his app ...
Dulu ada seorang nickname dabmey, menghina dan mengutuk islam pagi petang, siang dan malam, bertahun-tahun lamannya. Semakin lama semakin terroris mulutnya. Setelah diterangkan secara khusus, terpeinci dan jelas, akhirnya dia sedar dan benar-benarrrrrrrrr faham kedudukan yang sebenar. Sejak itu dia menghilangkan diri dari board ini sambil berkata " Alahai bodohnya aku" .
Untuk wkk5159 kutuklah islam ini sepuas hati kau... setelah bertahun-tahun dan kau dah penat, aku akan terangkan kedudukan sebenarnya... dan kau juga akan jadi seperti debmey..."aduhai bodohnya aku"
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Dipermulaan, hanya Allah swt sahaja yang ada, ada Allah swt tidak ada awal dan tidak ada akhir. Allah swt tidak dilahirkan dan tidak melahirkan, dia tidak ada anak dan dia tidak perlukan anak. Allah swt berdiri sendiri, tidak perlukan kepada sesiapa. Allah swt mencipta makhluk, tetapi dia tidak perlukan apa-apa dari makhluk ciptaannya. Dia berkuasa atas tiap-tiap sesuatu. Allah swt tidak dicipta oleh sesiapa. Dia ada, tidak ada permulaan dan tidak ada akhir.
Seluruh alam ini adalah ciptaannya, seluruh alam ini adalah miliknya, jika semua makhluk ciptaannya tidak mahu menyembahnya, tidak berkurang kemuliaannya dan tidak memberi apa-apa kesan kepadanya, jika semua makhluk ciptaannya menyembah, tuhan tidak perlukan apa-apa. Sedikit pun tuhan tidak perlukan apa-apa. Dia maha kaya, maha mulia, maha agung, maha terpuji dan maha tinggi. Seluruh timur dan barat adalah miliknya, seluruh makhluk dalam genggamannya(berkuasa penuh). Allah swt maha bijaksana dan maha pencipta, dia mencipta tidak perlukan contoh(referring), dia mencipta segala yang dilangit dan dibumi, dia mencipta segala alam dan dia sendiri yang mentadbir.
Diantara alam itu ialah alam roh, alam kandungan, alam dunia, alam kubur, alam akhirat dan segala macam alam. Yang dimaksudkan dengan alam itu ialah lapisan-lapisan atau jenis pentadbirannya. Dunia adalah sejenis alam ciptaannya, dia dalam alam dunia ini terdapat banyak alam subset, diantaranya alam manusia, alam haiwan,alam bawah lautan, alam tumbuh-tumbuhan, alam remaja, alam dewasa, alamkanak-kanak dan bermacam-macam alam yang tidak diketahui berapa bilangannya. Hanya Allah swt sahaja yang mengetahuinya.
Dia alam langit juga terdapat alam subset yang tidak diketahui berapa bilangannya seperti alam malaikat, alam roh, alam langit pertama, langit kedua sehingga ke tujuh, mustawa, arash dan sebagainya. Semuanya ditadbirkan oleh Allah swt sendiri, dia tidak perlukan sesiapa untuk membantunya. Dia tidakmerasa susah dan penat untuk mentadbir segala-galanya.
Allah swt maha mendengar, dia tidak mendengar menggunakan telinga, tetapi mendengar segala perkataan makhluknya, tidak ada satupun yang terlepas dari pendengarannya, semua dalam pengetahuannya. Allah swt maha melihat, dia tidakmelihat menggunakan mata, tetapi dia melihat segala-galanya. Bahkan, apa yang berlaku di daratan, di bawah lautan, dilangit dan segala-galanya tidak lepasdari penglihatannya.
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"Mereka(org Kristian) telah dilatih untuk membenci Muhammad dan segala ajarannya" -Thomas Carlyle
Nak tahu siapa dia ni..http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Carlyle
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zamkumis posted on 24-4-2013 01:12 PM
Dulu ada seorang nickname dabmey, menghina dan mengutuk islam pagi petang, siang dan malam, bertah ...
kau ada masa jaman debmey? 
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zamkumis posted on 24-4-2013 02:27 PM
Dipermulaan, hanya Allah swt sahaja yang ada, ada Allah swt tidak ada awal dan tidak ada akhir. Alla ...
maaf, saya terpaksa report posting awak...
... tapi saya report sebagai "Great Posting!"
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zamkumis posted on 24-4-2013 02:27 PM
Dipermulaan, hanya Allah swt sahaja yang ada, ada Allah swt tidak ada awal dan tidak ada akhir. Alla ...
Maha suci Allah swt dari apa yang disifatkan oleh mereka yang mengatakan tuhan itu tiga, tuhan tidak perlukan sekutu, tidak perlukan malaikat, tidak perlukan manusia. Dia mencipta manusia supaya manusia dapat mengenalinya. Dia melukis alam ini dengan bukti yang dapat difahami oleh akal manusia yang mahu memikirkan. Tidak cukup lagi itu, dia menambah lagi dengan kitabnya yang memberi panduan dari kegelapan kepada cahaya. Dia menurunkan kitabnya melalui manusia pilihannya(rasul-rasul) dari golongan manusia, supaya dia boleh memberi contoh dan menerangkan kebenaran kepada manusia. Supaya manusia kenal dengan penciptanya.
Tuhan maha agung dan maha mulia, erti Maha ialah tidak ada sesiapa boleh menandinginya dan tidak ada sempadan yang dapat difahami oleh manusia. Tuhan maha pencipta, dia(Allah swt) adalah pencipta dan makhluk adalah yang dicipta. Allah swt menjadikan bumi yang padanya diberi sebab kehidupan, kemudian dia memberikan giliran kepada manusia untuk merasai kehidupan didunia.
Seratus tahun yang lalu, datuk nenek kita diberi peluang untuk hidup, kemudian tuhan menguji mereka dengan memberi beban kehidupan yang perlu dilalui dan mereka perlu bergerak untuk mencari sesuap makanan, dijadikan berbagai sebab-sebab untuk dia menyalurkan segala kurniaannya. Dengan pergerakan itu mereka mendapati, ada satu kuasa yang menguasai dan mengurus dirinya dan alam semesta. Dari itu mereka mencari jalan supaya dapat mengenal siapakah tuhannya.
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zamkumis posted on 24-4-2013 01:12 PM
Dulu ada seorang nickname dabmey, menghina dan mengutuk islam pagi petang, siang dan malam, bertah ... Dulu ada seorang nickname dabmey, menghina dan mengutuk islam pagi petang, siang dan malam, bertahun-tahun lamannya. Semakin lama semakin terroris mulutnya. Setelah diterangkan secara khusus, terpeinci dan jelas, akhirnya dia sedar dan benar-benarrrrrrrrr faham kedudukan yang sebenar. Sejak itu dia menghilangkan diri dari board ini sambil berkata " Alahai bodohnya aku" .
macam mana kamu tahu yg dia sudah insaf atau bodohnya aku???
mungkin dia ada banyak kerja???
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Truth.8 posted on 24-4-2013 03:53 PM
macam mana kamu tahu yg dia sudah insaf atau bodohnya aku???
mungkin dia ada banyak kerja???
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Kebanyakan orang kristian ni bagus, banyak diantara mereka masih membuka ruang jika diajak berfikir... dan sanggup menerima logik
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zamkumis posted on 24-4-2013 01:12 PM
Dulu ada seorang nickname dabmey, menghina dan mengutuk islam pagi petang, siang dan malam, bertah ...
Suatu hari nanti kau akan berterima kasih kepada saya kerana sudi berkongsi kebenaran dengan kamu.......
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wkk5159 posted on 24-4-2013 04:26 PM
Suatu hari nanti kau akan berterima kasih kepada saya kerana sudi berkongsi kebenaran dengan kamu. ...
Kau masih mentah wkk5159, aku ibarat lelaki yang berada dipuncak gunung, yang boleh melihat keadaan muka bumi dengan baik, sedangkan kamu berada di kaki bukit yang sedang tercari-cari jalan menuju ke puncak gunung. Apa yang engkau lalui aku fahami, tapi kau tak faham apa yang aku perolehi. Bagusnya kau ni masih ada ruang rasional berbanding yang lain. Aku percaya satu hari kau akan menyedari islam itu benar.
Jika diumpamakan, kamu seprti lelaki yang sedang mengintai orang buat sex disebalik tabir, kau hanya melihat bayang-bayangnya. Apabila kau selak tabir itu, kau akan insaf, mereka adalah ayah dan ibumu sendiri yang sedang buat makanan untuk kau. Begitulah antara kau dan Islam. Fikirkan.
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gunblade712 posted on 23-4-2013 04:59 PM
Penghukuman di dalam Islam bukan hanya mengambil nas-nas naqli dan kemudian di sampaikan begitu sa ...
Those verses you quoted i had gone through before, what puzzles me is that these two Quran verses seems to abrogate all the other verses in Quran.
Even if you read carefully the verse in 9:5, it is duty for muslims to klll unrepented pagans !!
Just because someone is a unrepented pagan doesn't mean that you have the right to kill them, right ?
Muhammad's teaching is really full of violence and this undoubtedly serve as a role model for worldwide muslims to emulate.
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