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Lagi kisah doktor kerajaan tak professional

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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 01:37 PM | Show all posts
aku nak kasitau hospital ampang yg adik aku dapat treatment sekarang ni pun hospital kerajaan jugak...tp treatment, nurse dan doktor sangat bagus...Hospital Ampang ye..bukan Ampang Puteri private hosp tu.....Hospital Ampang kt Pandan Mewah kalau korang nk tau...
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Post time 1-10-2009 02:53 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by hepimoon at 1-10-2009 14:57
lebam tu mungkin sebab doktor atau nurse  tu salah cucuk.jarum tak masuk saluran darah.tapi itu cuma masalah kecil..takda effect apa pun.nanti lebam tu akan hilang.
mikasa Post at 1-10-2009 08:10


masalah kecik ko kate? peh aku yg suntik skali skala ni lebam skit pon da rase sakit, x dapat nak bygkan kes adik tuan umah ni plak. takde effect ko kate sdgkan budak 2 sampai doc2 kat hospital ampang claim x boleh nk buat drip guna urat kt tangan dak 2 lagi sbb dah rosak. MASALAH KECIK ko kate??? hampeh!

yang sepatutnya tuan umah complaint dekat ketua jabatan dulu.pastu kalau tak diambil tindakan complaint kat pengarah hospital seterusnya pengarah kemenenterian kesihatan Malaysia  ,kalau tak setel baru complaint kat Najib.Dari sini baru boleh menampakan kita bijak dan tidak terlalu mengikut perasaan marah.Jadilah seorg pengguna yang bijak bukan mengikut perasaan.

Memang tindakan tuan umah complaint kat Najib adalah salah satu usaha utk menyuarakan rasa tidak puas hati namum bagi aku tindakan tersebut terlalu ekstrem.


aku sokong tuan umah terus komplen kat pm. sbbnye byk kes kite komplen kat pengarah hospital x di layan. Bukan extreme bg aku tp memang patot buat gtu. Sbbnye doc sendiri leh btegang leher ngan fam patient. Ape igt adik tuan umah ni benda ke nak wat uji kaji. Doc pon kene jd doktor yg bijak n penyabar, x leh nak ikut perasaan...bukan pengguna je yg kene wat sume 2.


Bukan aku nak memburukkan keadaan tapi satu sikap yang kurang enak aku lihat terutama golongan melayu ialah mereka tidak suka utk ambil tahu atau bertanya.Berbanding dengan bangsa lain yang amat prihatin dan akan tanya secara detail apa ubat/kesan/kenapa buat macam tu/kenapa tak boleh itu/


Ishk2....statement berat sebelah ni....sape kate kaum melayu x amik berat pasal benda2 ni semua. Takde penapis tul statement mikasa ni.

p/s: jgn jadi orang bijak berkata2 aje tp takde action! Kerana action speaks louder than words..


Aku sokong ape yg tuan umah kate ni. Memang pon,sbb x kene kat batang hidung sendiri leh la cakap mcm 2.



*nota kaki
ntah2 mikasa ko ni keje kat hospital kuantan. sbb 2 nampak statement cam membacking dorg je.
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Post time 1-10-2009 03:16 PM | Show all posts
aku sokong tuan rumah... 110%.  kalau complaint ikut prosedur mmmm.... rasanya lagi 10 tahun belum tentu settle.

however pengalaman aku sendiri kat penang GH wad kanser kanak2 mmg superb. aku dulu kalau aku nengok muka doktor yg "remaja"  aku akan cakap direct je maksimum 2 kali je boleh cucuk utk drip anak aku. 2 kali dia tak leh buat.... aku mesti cari nurse yg dah senior2 buat. tp layanan mmg bagus. dari pakar sampai la atendan.  aku mmg puas hati. tapi kalau aku jadi cam tuan tanah ni... mmg aku akan amik tindakan yg sama.

mmg some hospital bila kita dah admit dia susah nak transfer kita.  dulu anak aku admit hosp kat rumah aku.  jenuh gaduh dgn doktor tu sbb aku nak transfer anak aku pegi hosp taiping. apa taknya sehari suntuk anak aku demam panas diorang tak amik darah lagi..... asyik kasi paracetamol. bila kita start ckp omputih.....ha... baru la dia tau langit tinggi ke rendah.
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Post time 1-10-2009 03:47 PM | Show all posts
takutnyer.. kalau anak kecil yang kena camtu.. ee...
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Post time 1-10-2009 04:05 PM | Show all posts
doc mcm tu patut ajar...
ingt sesuka hati ke nk maki hamun org... ingt org tunggulll
org lain pon tension gak keje...tp x la mcm diaa tu..
meroyan lebihh
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Post time 1-10-2009 05:32 PM | Show all posts
17# cik_einn

herannya doc x bg pindah hospital ...
last time arwah ayah aku masuk hosp ipoh ...
kitorang mintak transfer hosp putrajaya ..
doc bagi je ...

cumanya kitorang kena carik la ambulan sendiri ...
sbb kitorg request kan ...
ambik la ambulan st john
tapi ok, takde la doc nak marah ke apa
dia pon phm, susah duduk hosp jauh dr rumah ...
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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 05:50 PM | Show all posts
17# cik_einn  

herannya doc x bg pindah hospital ...
last time arwah ayah aku masuk hosp ipoh ...
kitorang mintak transfer hosp putrajaya ..
doc bagi je ...

cumanya kitorang kena carik la am ...
ampersan Post at 1-10-2009 17:32


ko nk tau kenapa doc tu tak nak release adik aku kan??meh sini aku kasitau...ada banyak mende aku tak revealed dlm cite kt atas tu pasal nnt panjang berjela2, aku cite yg klimaks je. Sebabnya doktor situ dah salah kasik ubat pada adik aku...so diaorang perlukan masa utk heal adik aku semula sebab kalau diaorang transfer adik aku ..mesti diaorang kena komplen dgn doktor pakar hospital yg menerima patient tu nnt. Rekod yg salah kasik ubat tu depa dah koyakkan dan thrash out. Salah ubat tu mmg diakui oleh one of the doctors sendiri, tp si pompuan jahat tu (head doctor) nak cover up.
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Post time 1-10-2009 07:08 PM | Show all posts
doc yg tanya soalan bodo tu: oke, nanti kite transfer abg awak pegi ppum balik.. (kurang sket patient aku, lega yer)
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Post time 1-10-2009 07:17 PM | Show all posts
apa kata cik_einn saman je hospital tu, n doctor tu skali... saksi pun dh ade tu
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Post time 1-10-2009 07:27 PM | Show all posts
Ko tak kena atas batang hidung sendiri ko cakap la mcm2...ko tau tak...2 weeks tu tempoh diaorang delay permohonan aku selepas beberapa kali aku jumpa doktor utk pegi hospital ampang sbb doktor po ...
cik_einn Post at 1-10-2009 13:29



sabor2 cik eein. i know ur situation. ko komplain kut BPA ke pakai website 1malaysia tuh. aku pun bab2 complain2 ni pon sebahagian hobi aku gak. komplen mende yg kene dgn tempatlah. bukan main taram komplen jer.mmm
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Post time 1-10-2009 07:28 PM | Show all posts
ko nk tau kenapa doc tu tak nak release adik aku kan??meh sini aku kasitau...ada banyak mende aku tak revealed dlm cite kt atas tu pasal nnt panjang berjela2, aku cite yg klimaks je. Sebabnya dokt ...
cik_einn Post at 1-10-2009 17:50



ko amik ubat yg salah tu ko sumbat dlm mulut dr pompuan tu pulak. biar dia rasakan
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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 07:29 PM | Show all posts
saksi ?? mana ada dokter nak jd saksi...diaorang mesti nk jaga periuk nasik masing2
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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 07:37 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by cik_einn at 1-10-2009 19:38
BODOH GILER...... hospital kuantan ek??? hahahahaha mmg laa teruk... member keje hospital tu tp bukan doktor.....dia tanya doktor pelatih sana...  diorg camna tahu nak kasi ubat kat pesakit..... dokto ...
klakakers Post at 1-10-2009 01:47


yes, this is exactly what happened to my sister...very trueeeeeee...!! genuine case...
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Post time 1-10-2009 09:44 PM | Show all posts
sedih tala baca kisah tuan umah... teringat kes abah tala... dr sesak nafas ... dok spital 2 ari terus bius... dia meninggal pg selasa... malam selasa tu tala tanya camana keadaan abah.. nurse kata stabil... esokkan lepas subuh pun nurse kata stabil... tala tanya knp stabil kalu meter oksigen dok rendah cam tu... dia kata biasa mmg cam tu... 2 jam lepas tu abah tala meninggal.. memang lah maut bukan di tangan kita... tp misi atau doktor patut terangkan perkara sebenar.... masa abah tala kena bius... doktor masukkan air kat badan abah tala... tiba2 jarum tu ntah kenapa cam terkehel... darah byk kuar... misi boleh wat selamber dog melenggang cam takda apa2... bila tala sound wat2 gelabah sket..... doktor plak walaupun wad ccu dtg sekali sehari je... time pagi2 buta.... tp sejak 4 hari abah tala dok spital... sekali je tala nampak doktor... agaknya doktor masuk wad ikut pintu belakang kot.... nak kesalkan pun dah tak guna sbb dah meninggal... tp masa abah hembus nafas terakhir tu...kami dok nangis2... ada 2-3 org nurse dok gelak2... agaknya ada cite lucu kat diorang kot... takpe lah... sbb bkn ahli keluarga diorang yg meninggal... bkn mak bapak diiorang yang meninggal... gelak kuat2 pun tak pe.... cuma kesal sket lah....ngan kes2 neh kat spital masa tu....

tala sokong wat aduan kat najib tu.... mmg la bila tak terkena batang idung sendirik ckp sesedap rasa... cuba bila kena kat diri sendiri ntah2 menggelupur terberak.... pastu najib buat tindakan apa kat doktor tu???
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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 10:36 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by cik_einn at 1-10-2009 22:53
sedih tala baca kisah tuan umah... teringat kes abah tala... dr sesak nafas ... dok spital 2 ari terus bius... dia meninggal pg selasa... malam selasa tu tala tanya camana keadaan abah.. nurse kata st ...
syakuntala Post at 1-10-2009 21:44


Tala, einn boleh relate your feelings, mmg rasa teraniaya kan?? Apa yg Einn buat ni semua utk kepentingan masyarakat pada mase depan, supaya org2 hospital yg TAK RETI beradab dn TAK BUAT KEJE DGN IKHLAS tu diberi pengajaran. Selama ni mungkin takde orang komplen....atau tak reti nk komplen...ye lah patients dr kampung mana tauuu nk buat komplen, kena marah, kena herdik pun depa terima la seadanya, A kata doktor A la bagi mereka, ikut kan aje lah, kalau tanya banyak, kena marah pulak.

Tapi silap beso le doktor dan nurse yg angkuh tu bila berdepan dgn kitaorang. Lepas PM Dato Najib kasik surat terus pada Pengarah Hospital,  (kitaorang pun dapat gak copy surat tu)..bertalu2 henpon kitorang berbunyi call drp hospital, tapi kitaorang tak jawab pun....padan la dgn muka diaorang tu kan..rasa kan...taktau le mcm mana dgn mgmt hospital tangani masalah tu  sbb adik einn pun dapat transfer ke Ampang. Hopefully hospital kuantan akan treat patient dengan lebih baik selepas dapat komplen kami dan reaction drp Perdana Menteri. Haii PM tu kan orang Pahang, mau jabatan dlm Pahang buat huduh2 service...buat malu PM aje lahhhh...KPI lagi sekarang ni jangan taktauuu....

Can u imagine kalau u sebagai pengarah dapt surat daripada Perdana Menteri?? mesti la ambil serius perkara tu kan....surat tu ditandatangani oleh letterhead dan signature PM tau....bukan surat bodo2 yg di sign oleh Ketua  Menteri ke apa...haa...mau cuakkk diaorang tu...

puashati aku bila PM respond pada surat aku......bior sedor sikit doktor pompuan yg bongkak dan kuncu2nya bahawasanya diaorg tak boleh sewenang2nya berbuat sesuka hati mak nenek dia kan......
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Post time 1-10-2009 10:47 PM | Show all posts
Nak tambah sikit.  

Arwah my father in-law dulu selalu pergi Hospital Ampang for treatment.  Hospital tu biasa je kan.  Tak lah gah sangat mcm hospital besar eg. GH / PPUM.  But the staff yg really make a difference.  

To cut a long story short - last admission dr yg treat my FIL gave us an option to take him home.  Katanya dia dah sampai penghujung..... But anak-anak FIL decide to have him at the hospital.   He breathed his last kat Hospital Ampang - my eldest brother in-law cakap sampai saat-saat terakhir, the doctors and nurses did their very best to make FIL comfortable and in the least amount of pain possible.  

Btw, he passed away at 4.30 am.  Time orang semua ngantuk.  But doctors and nurses kat Hospital Ampang did their best.  

As for Kuantan Hospital, no wonder lah my neighbour drove all the way immediately after receiving call that her daughter yg kat college admitted kat Hospital Kuantan.   Sampai je dia kat Hospital Kuantan terus mintak anak dia di transfer ke KL.  

Btw, tuan rumah, so sorry your sister suffered so much pain.  That IV line is NOT NORMAL!  I sincerely hope no nerves were damaged.
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 Author| Post time 1-10-2009 10:58 PM | Show all posts
Nak tambah sikit.  

Arwah my father in-law dulu selalu pergi Hospital Ampang for treatment.  Hospital tu biasa je kan.  Tak lah gah sangat mcm hospital besar eg. GH / PPUM.  But the staff yg really ...
AnitaSabrina Post at 1-10-2009 22:47


I strongly agree with you, thanx for your sympathy.
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Post time 1-10-2009 11:24 PM | Show all posts
doktor tu nampak sangat kebodohannyer.... yang betulnyer... die dah tak tahu nak tanyer soalan aper... agak2 nyer tu bukan doktor.... tapi menyamar ajer kot...
lincute Post at 1-10-2009 13:17


...bodoh ke doktor tersebut bertanyakan soalan2 seperti itu??...pada aku...those questions are valid questions...dan sangat2 bertepatan sekali soalan2 dia itu...in medical line...this is what we call as history taking...kalau pesakit itu datang kat spital for katakanlah fever...the first question yang akan disoalkan ialah...dah brapa lama fever nie ongoing??...kalau tak tanya pesakit...how would the doktor noe dah brapa lama pesakit tu mengalami fever itu...tak gitu...

...dah plak diberitahu yang before this pesakit nie dah dirawat di spital lain...tak salah dan bukanlah doktor itu bodoh kalau dia bertanya kenapa pesakit tadi tak pi balik kat spital yang sama itu...afterall...spital itu yang dapat mengesan punca sakit...dan dapat memberi rawatan yang sewajarnya...and all of his previous medical history/records ada kat situ...it makes their work alot more easier...

...abang tuan rumah nie mengidap sakit apa actually??...sakit critical apa yang dimaksudkan itu???...kalau after assessment kat zon kecemasan kemudian itu dihantar ke wad biasa saja...then...its not critical isnt it??...unless kalau dihantar ke icu atau high dependency...then tu bleylah dikirakan as critical...

...tak patutlah korang cakap doktor pompan tu bodoh kerana bertanyakan those 2 questions...cos seriously...those are valid questions...tapi tindakan tuan rumah membawa abangnya yang sakit to the nearest hospital kerana merasakan abangnya berada dalam keadaan tenat/critical is not wrong either...cuma...pada pendapat aku...kedua2 pihak could have been more diplomatic and humble ketika kejadian itu...

...as a doktor...kadang2 mereka tak sedar yang cara mereka menyuarakan soalan mereka agak kasar...sehinggakan pesakit dan famili menganggap doktor2 ini as 'macam bagoosss' jer...on the other hand...kadang2 pesakit dan family members pon tak kurang 'berlagak dan galak' jugak...but...selalunya...kita bersangka baik saja tuk golongan seperti nie cos definitely mereka rasa khuatir...tension...anxious kerana orang yang mereka sayangi sedang sakit...

...so...it is important tuk both parties to maintain civility and remain calm...bley gitu??
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Post time 2-10-2009 12:10 AM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by cik_einn at 1-10-2009 01:13

Aku terpanggil nk lontarkan topik ni kt board sbb aku rasa terkilan dan teraniaya dek kerana adanya doktor yg tak beretika dan tak professional dan aku ...
cik_einn Post at 1-10-2009 01:07
...simpati ngan apa yang your sis has to go thru...lebam di tangannya itu is a very common scene in any hospital...sebab tu to those yang kerja kat spital pada mereka ianya bukanlah sesuatu yang serious or life threatening...and within a couple of weeks ianya akan back to normal...

...kesan lebam ditangan itu bley berlaku kerana beberapa perkara...eg...difficulty finding a venous access thus ending up pricking the patient several times...kalau sukar tuk mencari venous access...nie kita tak bley nak salahkan doktor tu 100%...some patients have very small or fine veins which make it very difficult for even an anaesthetis to set drip....doktor2 pon tak suka nak cucuk pesakit many times...they are not that cruel u noe......kalau bley...skali cucuk jer dah berjaya...cos dorang pon banyak kerja...but...some hospitals ada protocol yang menyatakan kalau after 2 attempts masih tak berjaya nak amik darah atau set iv line...then...that dr must not attempt any further and he/she has to call someone yang more senior than dia tuk make the subsequent attempts...

...cancer patients selalunya are subjected to so many blood taking and iv access...and in some cases...becos dah terlalu banyak kali dicucuk ditempat yang sama...that particular vein bley jadi hard...and it makes it much more difficult for further venous access...

...since your sister is still receiving chemo...pernah tak the oncologist offer dia tuk set up a picc line or hickmans line or even a porta-cath??...if she has any of these lines...then it would be less traumatic for her in the sense that her chances of being pricked again for blood taking or iv access is rather low...cos...blood can be taken from these lines if investigations are needed...perhaps ko bley tanya kat dr yang merawat your sis for his opinion on these options...

...since your sister is admitted for treatment...aku suggest korang take note of what medications are being administered into her...what the medication is for and their possible side effects...also...take note of any reaction yang dia alami...and report these to the dr in charge...

...u should start a file of your own...dalam file nie ko lampirkan semua investigations yang telah dijalankan...ask them for copies of all investigations...ct scans...and things like that...

...whatever unhappiness yang ko dan your sister alami patut ko bring up to the hospital admin...kalau selepas mengadu tiada tindakan yang diambil...then eloklah kalau ko bring it up to higher authority...

...i do not noe how keadaan hospital di malaysia dan how the staff there work...but...membaca citer2 korang nie...it really gives a very bad impression on your health care providers and professionals...it is good that u guys highlite your unhappiness to the relevant authorities...but...bila highlite tu...harap2 korang dapat jugak memberi saranan2 on how things could have been better...dan bukan hanya setakat mengutuk jer...

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 Author| Post time 2-10-2009 01:16 AM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by cik_einn at 2-10-2009 01:42
...simpati ngan apa yang your sis has to go thru...lebam di tangannya itu is a very common scene in any hospital...sebab tu to those yang kerja kat spital pada mereka ianya bukanlah sesuatu yang serious or life threatening...and within a couple of weeks ianya akan back to normal...




as for doctors yg tak prihatin saja will give above mentioned opinion, lebam pada tangan common scene??? my sister's case is very much different from other patients, she is having leukemia in which, WBC count very high, platlet rendah dsbnya so the doctor shouldnt hv treated her like other patient who can heal in a day or so..

times...they are not that cruel u noe......kalau bley...skali cucuk jer dah berjaya...cos dorang pon banyak kerja...but...some hospitals ada protocol yang menyatakan kalau after 2 attempts masih tak berjaya nak amik darah atau set iv line...then...that dr must not attempt any further and he/she has to call someone yang more senior than dia tuk make the subsequent attempts...


oo how niceeee if it is the case, just look at the photo...what do u think?? definitely they have done it more than 2 attempts, rite?? is dat u call NOT CRUEL?? think again...

...i do not noe how keadaan hospital di malaysia dan how the staff there work...but...membaca citer2 korang nie...it really gives a very bad impression on your health care providers and professionals...it is good that u guys highlite your unhappiness to the relevant authorities...


in da case of emergency concerning life n death, i believe we cannot hold the case to go thru all the redtapes.


but...bila highlite tu...harap2 korang dapat jugak memberi saranan2 on how things could have been better...dan bukan hanya setakat mengutuk jer...


i bet u havent been in our situation thats why u didnt care much and do not have empathy towards this matter. Having said that,  it seemed u do not know much about local hospitals or pretending do not know about it tak tau la kan...Lemme remind u, this isnt about mengutuk2 but to enlighten the truth about all the misconducts. A genuine case of course!
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