About GOD

benign

-you used the word decided. Destiny and Decision is different.

-Who decide which destiny goes to who? Karma?

-so it is a combination now? but still the question is, a lot of children borned with living parents but yet suffers no less than the orphans. explain that.

-i dont see how it contadict. Because i believe that when one is punished by syariah laws in the world, let say for commiting adultery, i am of the opinion that he will be spared the punishment for that particular sin in the here after. i stand corrected by my fellow muslims.

barney50

1. responded by benign:
   
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3. you used the word decided. Destiny and Decision is different.
   
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5. -Who decide which destiny goes to who? Karma?
   
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7. -so it is a combination now? but still the question is, a lot of children borned with living parents but yet suffers no less than the orphans. explain that.
   
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9. -i dont see how it contadict. Because i believe that when one is punished by syariah laws in the world, let say for commiting adultery, i am of the opinion that he will be spared the punishment for that particular sin in the here after. i stand corrected by my fellow muslims.

Copy the Code

Everything is preset by GOD of destiny. You invent a digital clock and it runs by cell battery but when the battery runs out you need to preset the clock again. That is how our life too is maintained. Once the soul leaves the body it is directed by GOD of destiny according to your deeds and takes rebirth again till its karma is exhausted. Wrong, in that case why do you Muslims call it judgement day? It is said Mohammed would be the decider on that day sitting beside Allah. Well, that is your believe and I do not want to mock it.

I've answered the question of children with parents sufferings but it does not matter. The parents bad karma and the child's bad karma combines to give the present effect of suffering of both parenst and child. An example, both parents look healthy and are pious in their though and deed in this life but you see them with a retarded child that needs 24hrs attentions. Now here the parents have to suffer bringing up such a child and the child suffers as it cannot walk or talk. Tell me why this should happen?

benign

so complicated and confusing.

Alhamdulillah, Praise to Allah i am a Muslim.

just to correct you.. Our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) does not decide but provides us with SHUFAAH which means help.

to answer your question, in Islam there is no such concept as KARMA. There is QADA and QADAR of Allah. Man are given the freewill to choose. Parents with retarded child  is a test to them where if they took good care of the child, they will be rewarded and vice versa. In Islam the Pahala for taking good care of a retarded child is besar.

Again, Alhamdulillah. This discussion made me love and embrace islam even more.

Obersliutenant

Barney

you are yet to address my question..

Do you believe God is the Most Almighty?  and the Most Supreme?

barney50

1. responded by benign:
   
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3. so complicated and confusing.
   
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5. Alhamdulillah, Praise to Allah i am a Muslim.
   
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7. just to correct you.. Our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) does not decide but provides us with SHUFAAH which means help.
   
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9. to answer your question, in Islam there is no such concept as KARMA. There is QADA and QADAR of Allah. Man are given the freewill to choose. Parents with retarded child  is a test to them where if they took good care of the child, they will be rewarded and vice versa. In Islam the Pahala for taking good care of a retarded child is besar.
   
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11. Again, Alhamdulillah. This discussion made me love and embrace islam even more.

Copy the Code

It is complecated because you are confused with your own belief. Help? Oh! Yes, help in the way of telling his followers to hate the Jews and Christians aswell as the non believers. That you call help?

In Islam there is no such concept as KARMA because Mohammed did not know about it. What is takdir? Please explain. Yeh! as I have said you'd say it is test. Test of what?  It comes naturally to parents to care for the child even though it is retarded. So why test? So, in Islam you believe in doing good deed but you think the reward is in heaven? Why in heaven and not here? This world was designed and created by GOD and it took six days for him to create for living beings to live in peace and happiness. So why deceive them with this heaven?

barney50

Obersliutenant,

Do you have doubts about it yourself? Read my other post and you'll know what I believe.

benign

i pity you..

Alhmadulillah. I am a muslim. Everything is so clear between the TRUTH and ARROGANCE. haha

barney50

benign,

i pity you..

Thank GOD I'm a Hindu. Everything is so clear between the TRUTH and ARROGANCE. Hoh! Hoh! Hoh!

benign

i think its obvious whose the arrogant one my friend..

ohws.. im sorry.. which one is your God again? Theres too many of them, i couldnt tell...

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by barney50 at 3-11-2006 10:21 PM
Obersliutenant,

Do you have doubts about it yourself? Read my other post and you'll know what I believe.

i just asked a simple question , do you believe He is the All Powerful? the Most Knowledgable?

Pardon but i cant seem to understand why you claim that the ALmighty cant name Himself when He is the All Powerful.

Sephiroth

by Obersliutenant   

I'd like to ask you a simple question ...

Do you believe God is the Most Almighty?  and the Most Supreme?

What does my answers matters to you WHEN my God is not your God, nor is your God is my God? :no:

What does my answers matters to you WHEN my belief is not your belief, and your belief is not my belief?

What does my answers matters to you WHEN I do not go when you will go and you will not go when I shall go?

Obersliutenant

i didnt put any specifications ... just answer the question...okay srry about the singular 'God' , but you yourself referred to one sole Power anyway.


Your God .. my God.. her God , His God , Their God, it doesnt matter.. im being general ...what the heck.. we are all believers arent we?  

So do you believe God Is All Knowing and All Wise? and He is the Most Sovereign and Most Powerful ? agree?

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 4-11-2006 12:45 PM ]

barney50

1. responded by Obersliutenant  :i just asked a simple question , do you believe He is the All Powerful? the Most Knowledgable?
   
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3. Pardon but i cant seem to understand why you claim that the ALmighty cant name Himself when He is the All Powerful.

Copy the Code

All believers including me believes GOD is Al" Mighty, All Knowing. Omniprecent and Omnipotent. HE is namless but it was intelligent ones [Sages] who gave the names as per description. So, what is your point?

and Why cant He name Himself ? if He were Almighty and All Wise?
He cant be that illeterate to not give Himself a Name...
why does he need mortals to give him a Name?

[ Last edited by  veydis at 4-11-2006 11:59 PM ]

if He cant name Himself  and He needs others to do tt tt probably means  he's illiterate right? Can an illiterate be All Powerful and All Wise?

Sephiroth

by Obersliutenant   

i didnt put any specifications ... just answer the question...okay srry about the singular 'God' , but you yourself referred to one sole Power anyway.

Your God .. my God.. her God , His God , Their God, it doesnt matter.. im being general ...what the heck.. we are all believers arent we?  

So do you believe God Is All Knowing and All Wise? and He is the Most Sovereign and Most Powerful ? agree?

Disagree. :no:

God Is One but who you believe IS NOT who I believe. :no:

My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Him.
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Muhammad.

i212

by Septh
God Is One but who you believe IS NOT who I believe.

Then why you have so called 'God' idol everywhere?

i212

by Seph
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Him.
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Muhammad.

Sooo... maybe thats why you can say anything about God?
Illustrate anything to represent 'God'?
Dont have any respect to your own 'God'?

For us, GOD are very Sacred and He must be Respect and Honour.
We dont illustrate something as God because we dont know His real image.
Only Godless people not respect God and not follow what God ordered and not believe on what has God revealed.


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We dont have any problem with the Condemming because we know and believe the Truth.
Its only a burden to Disbeliever.
God make such warning in order to make people think more about what they do and what the consequences.
Its same like when we disobey our parent.

[ Last edited by  i212 at 6-11-2006 01:29 PM ]

by Sephiroth
Disagree.

God Is One but who you believe IS NOT who I believe.

My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Him.
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Muhammad..

thats because you are worshipping a false God, and can be killed too..lol

Seph is  talking like an atheist or sth...but even atheists are more tolerant than this dumbwitt
bodohnya... Obers just asked you abt if you bellieved in God laa ,

why so tensed? hahahhaa

You said ,
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Him.
My God does NOT condemn people to hell for all eternity just because they do not believe in Muhammad.


So does this mean that Your God Never punish wrongdoers ?