Confirmed that some hadith is not reliable claimed by muslims

Rujukan utama kami adalah al-quran..............hadith yang hanya tambahan sahaja,itu pun hanya hadith rasullullah menjadi keutamaan yang mana bukan dari Nabi Muhammad S.A.W...kena rujuk al-quran dahulu boleh mengakui kesahihannya.................

yang terpelihara hanya al-quran sahaja......................yang lain x, termasuk gak bible ia hanya ciptaan manusia sahaja.

i212

Originally posted by nice2000 at 28-9-2006 04:20 PM
Rujukan utama kami adalah al-quran..............hadith yang hanya tambahan sahaja,itu pun hanya hadith rasullullah menjadi keutamaan yang mana bukan dari Nabi Muhammad S.A.W...kena rujuk al-quran d ...

:setuju::setuju::setuju:

Truth.8

See... you show that u r dumb about islam but want to Bash Islam.
Those 3 not the name of hadith. Its the Category.
---------------------------

and the category knows as sayings or additional info , rite?



HADITH CONTAINED WHAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD DAILY PREACHES, ACTIVITY, WHAT HE DO AND WHAT HE DO NOT. ITS CONTAIN MEANING ATAU "HURAIAN" AL-QURAN VERSES.

HADITH IS NOT PART OF AL-QURAN BUT HADITH CONTAINS PART OF AL-QURAN MEANING.
ITS CONTAIN ALL ADDITIONAL UNDERSTANDING, PURPOSELY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT JUST READ AND TAKE THE VERSE WITHOUT THINKING MATURELY.
----------------------------

Our Bible has  sayings of our prophet , the meaning , activity and etc but all in one the Bible plus the part of meaning as well because we do not depend on other source. The Bible itself is complet guidleline to all nations.

----------------------
THATS WHY CHRISTIANS CONFUSE WITH THEIR BELIEVE. GOD ARE TWO? GOD ARE THREE?
THATS WHY THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS. AND CHRISTIANS JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEIR PRIEST SAID.
--------------------------

Dont worry about that confusion because we still uphold on Bible but the good news many christians now realise this and begins to understand the truth. Like myself i believed in three but now i believed in two yet we all share one source which is Bible.

-----------------------------


WE NOT DEPEND ON HADITH. HADITH ARE ADDITIONAL INFO. WE DEPEND ON QURAN.
-----------------------------

we have additional info and depend on Bible . one in one the Bible.

------------------------


AGAIN.... THE SABBATH THING.

--------------------

Yup, satan twisted the Sabbath to sunday and friday

Mgsrulz

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 28-9-2006 03:37 PM
The true faith always depend on one source which is The Bible. Why? Because God do not want us to confused with many source of saying this and that. If one were to read the Bible, it contains future events of prophecy, good conduct, healthy diet  meat to be eaten and etc. .

Mark 13

Signs of the End of the Age

1  As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2  "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3  As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately,
4  "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5  Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6  Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
7  When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
8  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9  "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.
10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. [Some translations have it as "people" (1) (2), which is referring to the near by nations and tribes; not necessarily every single nation on earth.  Certainly, Jesus promising them that he will come back soon and that Judgement Day will come before "this generation passes" (Mark 13:30) proves it doesn't include every single nation on earth.]
11  Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12  "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
13  All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14  "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [1] standing where it [2] does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15  Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.
16  Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
17  How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
18  Pray that this will not take place in winter,
19  because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
20  If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
21  At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ [3] !' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
22  For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
23  So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24  "But in those days, following that distress, " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25  the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' [4]
26  "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
27  And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28"  Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
29  Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
30  I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

so much for prophecies,eh t.8? :lol

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 28-9-2006 03:37 PM
read the Bible, it contains future events of prophecy, good conduct, healthy diet  meat to be eaten and etc. .

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

yeah,good conduct,alright... :lol

i212

and the category knows as sayings or additional info , rite?
-----------
Additional info on what Prophet Muhammad preaches and activity and biography.
Its contain those thing. Not a GOD command.
we differentiate Word of God and Word of Humans.

BIBLE INCLUDED WORD OF HUMANS AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHICH ONE.

CAN I KNOW HOW MANY YEARS JESUS REVEAL HIS COMMAND? IF YOU WANT TO SHARE.



Our Bible has  sayings of our prophet , the meaning , activity and etc but all in one the Bible plus the part of meaning as well because we do not depend on other source. The Bible itself is complet guidleline to all nations.
------------------------
Alhamdulillah, you already admint that Jesus is a Prophet.


Dont worry about that confusion because we still uphold on Bible but the good news many christians now realise this and begins to understand the truth. Like myself i believed in three but now i believed in two yet we all share one source which is Bible.
----------------
Which source version? RC? KJV? NIV?

we have additional info and depend on Bible . one in one the Bible.
---------
And still confius about GOD.


Yup, satan twisted the Sabbath to sunday and friday
------------
heheheheheheheehhehe......

chayroul

masaalah disini truth8 adalah seorang yang bebal....takguna nak menerang kan pada orang yang bebal..pening aku tengok simamat keling nie...bukan dia tak paham tapi sengaja tak mau paham.....aku ingat hati dia sehitam kulit dia...hehehehehe

christians and muslims have fight for two thousand years, in fact bombs are still flying right now somewhere around jurusalem. creating a topic like this will help the situation? u might be thinking out of a hundred u could confuse one or two muslims, but at the end u brought over hatred from ninty eight or ninty nine muslims. the goal you or maybe some of the fellow forumers here want to achieve at the end, is peace; but over and over again(so many pointless threads), u should have notice the method u're using is just gonna make things worst.

talk about civilization, mindset and behavior, we who live two thousand years later have seen history, experience globalization, shoud have/keen to come out with a solution to bring peace at the end of this milliania conflicts. not like this buddy, not like this. u're making urself look like a barbarian two thousand years ago by creating such old old fashion topics. don't say who started the arguement first it brings no point.

as i mentioned before in my previous post in a different thread, when one knit picking every word and sentence from the koran or bible, or the word of god, it reflects a symptom of losing faith in oneself. u have forgotten the main reason why religion exist. it seems to me (the way u portray urself with so many pointless threads) that ur religion exist for the purpose for u to bash the muslims and that is naive.

hence, who is right or who is wrong no longer matters, we are suppose to learn what is good from the word of god. what is so important with all these claims? they are mere interpretation made by imperfect human.

back to basic human behavior, when u respect others, others will respect u. when u create such topic with bias deep down in u, this is what u get. did all these responses made ur day? i myself not a muslim but just can't stand ur amount of pointless thread in this subforums.

Truth.8

Originally posted by chayroul at 30-9-2006 01:00 AM
masaalah disini truth8 adalah seorang yang bebal....takguna nak menerang kan pada orang yang bebal..pening aku tengok simamat keling nie...bukan dia tak paham tapi sengaja tak mau paham.....aku ing ...

Masalah dengan saya atau masalah dengan anda yg tidak boleh terima thread saya?

i212

Masalah dengan saya atau masalah dengan anda yg tidak boleh terima thread saya?
-------------

Masalah dengan kamu. Buat thread yang membodohkan diri sendiri.
contohnya thread nih.

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 30-9-2006 12:33 PM
Masalah dengan kamu. Buat thread yang membodohkan diri sendiri.
contohnya thread nih..

siapa yg makan nangka dia rasa getahnya. itu lah hakikatnya

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:09 PM



siapa yg makan nangka dia rasa getahnya. itu lah hakikatnya

Kalau makan durian rasa ape plak ?

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 30-9-2006 01:13 PM


Kalau makan durian rasa ape plak ?

Saya memang durian . saya mengaku. Sebab?? Durian di luar duri tetapi isi nya sedap, sehingga boleh buat dodol, ais kirm & macam-macam lagi.

Jadi , saya ini di ibaratkan durian lah

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:19 PM



Saya memang durian . saya mengaku. Sebab?? Durian di luar duri tetapi isi nya sedap, sehingga boleh buat dodol, ais kirm & macam-macam lagi.

Jadi , saya ini di ibaratkan durian lah

Awak durian ? Bukan Clown ke ?

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 30-9-2006 01:21 PM


Awak durian ? Bukan Clown ke ?

Rasanya  kau kot?

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:25 PM



Rasanya  kau kot?

Clown la buka thread saja utk nak buat "Introduction". Everyone here knows you are the greatest CLOWN. DUMB CLOWN

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 30-9-2006 01:45 PM


Clown la buka thread saja utk nak buat "Introduction". Everyone here knows you are the greatest CLOWN. DUMB CLOWN

only comes from anti christians peoples to hate christian

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:55 PM


only comes from anti christians peoples to hate christian

Only CLOWNS will open a thread then say its just for "Introduction" pathetic!!! Grow up !!

Mgsrulz

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:55 PM


only comes from anti christians peoples to hate christian

you didnt reply to my post.
conveniently forgot it,is it? ;)

loona

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-9-2006 01:55 PM

only comes from anti christians peoples to hate christian

Sudahlah truth.8. Muslim tak benci ugama kamu, malah kita hormat lagi. Tapi janganlah kamu kutuk dan buat andaian sendiri pasal agama orang lain. Kalau dah kutuk Islam dan Prophet tu tentulah Muslim kena defend. Kalau nak discuss pasal agama takde salah, tetapi kena cara ilmiah! jangan terus buat andaian dan jump to conclusion tuduh bukan2 pasal Islam and our Prophet. Persoalan pasal Islam, Christian and any other religions mmg bagus, tapi before discuss just remove the hatred tu dulu...kan Jesus suruh menyayangi antara sesama insan!

carpet

Originally posted by loona at 30-9-2006 02:30 PM


Sudahlah truth.8. Muslim tak benci ugama kamu, malah kita hormat lagi. Tapi janganlah kamu kutuk dan buat andaian sendiri pasal agama orang lain. Kalau dah kutuk Islam dan Prophet tu tentulah M ...

:setuju::setuju::setuju: