Preparing Woman To Be Stoned

Debmey

Originally posted by herman at 2004-12-25 04:15 PM:

Reply :- No way...police officer and the DNA chemist did not see the sexual intercourse took place...there are not witnessess..Did they see at the time the offence was committed?  

Thats what some muslims say cos they know it is impossible to convict with that silly 4 male eye witness rule. By contradicting it, it shows that even muslims are confused.

Originally posted by herman at 2004-12-25 04:15 PM:
Reply : Better that way..See what happen in USA when women were allowed to become jury, a lot of innocent men was convicted for rape but the DNA report denies it...Better to release 10 criminals rather than an innocent to be puished...

Not true, wrong conviction is not a big issue, especially with DNA checks.
Even if it is an issue, it is much better than syariah actually encouraging men to rape women cos it is impossible to convict of rape under syariah.
Thats why rape is rampant bin islamic countries. So rather than prevent rapes, syariah promote rapes. Syariah is definitely not from God.
And since you mentioned DNA, it shld be a better evidence than 4 male witnessess. Justice has prevailed thru DNA checks. But unfortunately, syariah does not accomdate DNA evidence cos Muhamad could not forsee such scientific advances and didn't make teh rules accomodative. .

peace

Debmey never gave the source or link from where he got that picture. Its authenticity  is the same as Thaksin's alleged so-called training camp in Malaysia (school group photo in Pattani). This one of Debmey's may be just a planted pic with non-Muslims acting voluntarily or paid. It is just another evangelist/missionary stupid & desperate attempt at discrediting Islam, when all their points have gone down the drain.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 26-12-2004 at 12:20 PM ]

Debmey

Women are still being murdered and stone in Islam.
The pic is there, unlike Thaksin's no pics.
The pic came from Ali Sina' sites. He an ex muslim, he knows best abt Islam and his native Iran. You don't.

peace

Acong

how 'bout URL to that particular picture.... even myself a non-muslim, know that not the way they stone ppl.... ;)

[ Last edited by Acong on 26-12-2004 at 08:54 PM ]

Acong

ur pic actual URL is :dia: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/stoning2.jpg

so..... rooster talking again, is it? :bgrin:

Debmey

Good for you Acong. You are learning fast abt Islam. Please keep it up.

cheers

Acong

dun bullshit laa debmey...... before stoning, they have to give a fair 'Syariah' trial 1st..... pregnant women condemn with adultery will only be punished after her newborn stop breast feeding......

debmey, dun try to twist me laa....... :kant:

Debmey

Fair trial? When a woman's testimony is half of a man's and rape can only be proven with 4 male witnessess?

Don't BS with me Acong. When I was soldiering you were still peeing in your pants.

peace be unto you

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by kid at 2004-12-25 01:38 AM:
Open challenge still on... Debmey please show one line in Qur'an teaching the stoning.!!

May i ...

Umar the 2nd caliph may have the answer... according to Imam Bukhari... the verse is missing or somethimg like that.

Sahih BukhariV8B82N816:  'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Tillingtan

cut and paste.

Amnesty International

An Iranian woman charged with adultery faces death by stoning, reportedly by tomorrow (21 Dec) after her death sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court last month.

Her unnamed co-defendant is at risk of imminent execution by hanging. Amnesty International members are now faxing urgent appeals to the Iranian authorities, calling for the execution to be stopped.

According to reports, Hajieh Esmailvand was sentenced to five years imprisonment, to be followed by execution by stoning, for adultery with an unnamed man who at the time was a 17 year old minor. Although the exact date of her arrest and trial are not known, it is reported that she has been imprisoned in the town of Jolfa, in the north west of Iran, since January 2000.

The Iranian Penal Code is very specific about the manner of execution and types of stones which should be used. Article 102 states that men will be buried up to their waists and women up to their breasts for the purpose of execution by stoning. Article 104 states, with reference to the penalty for adultery, that the stones used should "not be large enough to kill the person by one or two strikes, nor should they be so small that they could not be defined as stones".

All death sentences in Iran must be upheld by the Supreme Court before they can be carried out. In November 2004, the Supreme Court upheld the death sentence against Hajieh Esmailvand but changed the lower court's verdict from 慸eath by hanging

Tillingtan

Stoning in the scripture.

Palestine being a very rocky country, the abundance of stones made it natural to use them as missiles. Stone throwing might be merely a mark of hatred and contempt (II Kings 16:6-13), or the means of carrying out murderous intentions against which provision had to be made in the Law (Exodus 21:18, Numbers 35:17). Stoning to death which was at first an expression of popular fury analogous to "lynching", later came to be a natural and legally recognized method of execution. It was this regulated by law as an appointed means of capital punishment (Deuteronomy 17:5-7; Acts 7:58). Death by stoning is prescribed in the Pentateuch as the penalty for eighteen different crimes including Sabbath-breaking, but for one crime only -- murder -- is it the penalty prescribed in all the codes. The execution of the criminal usually took place outside the city walls, and according to Deuteronomy 17:7, the witnesses in the case were to cast the first stone: "Thou shalt bring forth the man or the woman, who have committed that most wicked thing, to the gates of thy city, and they shall be stoned. By the mouth of two or three witnesses shall he die who is to be slain.... The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to kill him, and afterwards the hands of the rest of the people". (Deuteronomy 17:5-7). Stoning is also mentioned in Acts 7:57-58, as the means by which Stephen the first Christian martyr was put to death: "And casting him forth without the city, they stoned him."

JAMES F. DRISCOLL

Debmey

Jews and Christians don't do stoning nowadays, while stoning is still being practiced by Muslims in the most unjust ways. Look at that poor woman in teh pic, don't yu have a heart for her? Why are muslimahs so badly treated in islam?

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-12-27 10:04 AM:
Jews and Christians don't do stoning nowadays, while stoning is still being practiced by Muslims in the most unjust ways. Look at that poor woman in teh pic, don't yu have a heart for her? Why are  ...

Which is more cruel - Stoning or crucifying?

Jews and christians celebrate the crucifiction of Jesus. The Jews celebrate it because they consider it as their triumph since they hate Jesus. The Christians celebrate his crucifiction because he is tortured  to 'save' their sins (so they believe). Whatever it is they celebrate the torture of God's messenger. Christians of all denominations adorn the cross symbolising the torture of Jesus everywhere, reminding themselves that their sins (wrongdoings to God) are borne by the one who was tortured - Jesus.

Stoning in Islamic law maintains God's unchanging law - the law from the same God of the prophets, the same God of the monotheists - the same God of the Jews including Jesus (Eesa, peace be upon him).

The latter so-called 'followers of christ' (Christians) now worship another god (in fact making christ or Jesus or Eesa their God instead) - meaning that it is a different God than the God of the prophets, the monotheists and the God of the Jews & most of all,  different from the God of Jesus himself..

The absolute truth and wisdom behind the 'stoning' is that the sins of the adulterer etc are cleansed forever, after having accepted and received the punishment, meaning that in the hereafter they are no more sinful before God for such crimes.

This 'stoning' is more a hindrance than anything else.  It is to be seen as a lesson so that a person intending to commit  such crimes would shun from committing such hedious crimes, which are against God's teachings.

Furthermore, the conditions to be met for passing such judgements, as stated earlier by one of my fellow Muslim forum member, is that four credible witnesses must be present at the time the crime is committed. There are also conditions for what type of Muslims can be the witness - they first of all must be known to be people who are always devout to God and in the presence of God & and trusted people in the community. The Judge must also be such a person.

Tell me on what Christian tenet or Jewish tenet is the present legal system based on? Anything to do with what God has commanded? Will the sins of those who are sent to the gallows or the electric chair or to prison cleansed before God?  

Of course being human beings many Muslims and so-called Muslim countries tend to rush into implementing something which they are not ready to implement.  

When judges who pass syariah judgments are not people who are pious, wise and fair, when witnesses do not meet the criteria that God has stipulated, how can anybody (except for the holy prophet and his companions) claim that they are implementing the law of Allah?

When more than 3/4 of Islamic society still needs to be educated about Islam, when more than 3/4 of Islamic society comprise people who only pay lip service to Islam,  how can anyone (except for the holy prophet and his companions) claim that he is implementing God's law?

People like Debmey is  of course not interested in seeking the truth but only interested in defending  his own ego and the ego of his fellow so-called upholder of 'God's' message (albeit twisted). Nothing satisfies them more than to chide at Muslims, simply because they are so bloated in their ego, still dreaming that they are the upholders of  the truth when in fact they uphold nothing from God.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 27-12-2004 at 12:06 PM ]

Debmey

Firstly, Jesus was crucified not by Jews or Christians under any teachings of the Bible.
Secondly, we don't celebrate the crucifxion of Jesus. This shows that Kennkid was never a Christian like he claimed. Ahahahahahahahaha..................

Muslims will write and post anything, including lying to defend their deceitful faith.

cheers

snipersnake

lying? reffering to yourself ha?

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-12-2004 12:10 PM:

Firstly, Jesus was crucified not by Jews or Christians under any teachings of the Bible.
Secondly, we don't celebrate the crucifxion of Jesus. This shows that Kennkid was never a Christi ...

Easter and Good Friday!

I'll take 100 for "Are you a Christian Debmey"?

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-12-27 12:10 PM:

Firstly, Jesus was crucified not by Jews or Christians under any teachings of the Bible.
Secondly, we don't celebrate the crucifxion of Jesus. This shows that Kennkid was never a Christi ...

Firstly:

Did I say that Jews or Christians crucified Jesus? The term 'christian' was not even known yet at that time. Even Jesus never knew that such people existed or were going to exist.

This is very interesting reading: Not from a Muslim website & not written by a Muslim:

In the first Gospel story of Jesus' trial and crucifixion, the author of Mark engages in a carefully crafted and delicate balancing act over the question of responsibility for Jesus' death: between Jew and Roman, between the Jewish religious establishment and the secular arm of the Empire. Mark knew full well that only the Roman governor could condemn a man to the cross, but he also wanted to allot to the Jewish leaders and to the Jewish people as a whole an equal if not greater role in Jesus' execution.

And so throughout his story Mark set the scene by having the chief priests, scribes and elders plot to do away with Jesus, and it is their forces who first arrest him in the Garden of Gethsemane. He invented a follower of Jesus, Judas by name to symbolize all Jewry, who betrays Jesus to his enemies and leads the arresting force to him. And it is the High Priest and Sanhedrin who first question Jesus and abuse him, finding him guilty of blasphemy and deserving of death梠n grounds which have never made much sense. Indeed, the entire circumstances of Mark's trial before the Jewish Council can be seen to contravene so many known conventions and prohibitions that some scholars have been led to reject its very historicity. But that's a story for another time.

When Jesus is finally turned over to the Roman governor, Mark makes Pilate behave in a manner which is entirely uncharacteristic of what we know of him from historical sources, and of Roman policy in general. By whitewashing Pilate, by having the demands of the Jewish leaders and Jewish people override his attempts to free Jesus, by having the crowd choose Barabbas over Jesus (an option no governor of Judea would ever have offered, and there is no record of such a Roman policy anywhere), Mark places the primary responsibility for Jesus' death at the feet of the Jews.

When Pilate finally washes his hands of the affair, official Roman brutality takes over, and Jesus is further abused, scourged and finally crucified. But the Jews immediately reenter the picture in the jeers of the spectators at the foot of the cross, and their obstinate unbelief is contrasted with the Roman centurion who declares in an act of faith that "truly this man was the Son of God." Finally, Mark brings God himself into the picture to hide the sun's face behind a blackened sky, and to repudiate his treacherous people by rending the very veil of his own holy sanctuary. Mark thus set the course for the Jews' wretched fate at the hands of Christians and the Christian church for the next two millennia, and Matthew would seal its ferocity with the most heinous line of fiction ever penned: "His blood be upon us and upon our children!"

Such is the picture of Jesus' death presented in the Gospels: the unjust execution of an innocent man, beset by betrayal and false accusations and a pitiless establishment. Its lurid details should have been indelibly branded into the mind of every Christian preacher and writer, every convert to the new faith. Instead, there is scarcely a murmur of it until Mark梔rawing on a multitude of scriptural passages and an old literary formula found throughout centuries of Jewish writing, known as the Suffering and Vindication of the Innocent Righteous One梥its down to pen his tale, a good half century or more after it all supposedly took place.

http://humanists.net/jesuspuzzle/supp03.htm


Secondly:

cel積穊rate    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (sl-brt)
v. cel積穊rat積d, cel積穊rat穒ng, cel積穊rates
v. tr.

To observe (a day or event) with ceremonies of respect, festivity, or rejoicing. See Synonyms at observe.
To perform (a religious ceremony): celebrate Mass.
To extol or praise: a sonnet that celebrates love.
To make widely known; display: 揳 determination on the author's part to celebrate... the offenses of another

Originally posted by snipersnake at 24-12-2004 09:14 AM:
heh..that is a totally wrong way to stone a person..most probably that pic is wrong too..

Who are those stoners?  Why are there 2 women with AK47s?  And Why is the female condemned being "attended" to by males?  Could it possibly be that they are "rescuing" her, after all you don't see them closing the earth around her, the left guy looks as if he was digging the earth and so is the woman with the gun.

Debmey

Originally posted by samerosie at 2004-12-27 12:47 PM:


Easter and Good Friday!

I'll take 100 for "Are you a Christian Debmey"?

We remember Jesus'  sacrifice on the cross, its only on Sunday that we celebrate. Thats where Jesus was resurrected!
I'll take that RM100 from you.

What else same rosie, what else?  

Debmey

And Kennkid is caught with hsi pants down trying to fake ex-Christian.

cheers

  And still no muslim can tell us why muslimahs are treated so badly in islam

[ Last edited by Debmey on 27-12-2004 at 01:24 PM ]