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[Tempatan] Harakah sebarkan berita palsu PM Kanada masuk Islam

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Post time 30-4-2017 07:43 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
pyropura replied at 30-4-2017 01:24 PM
Padahal dah ada waiver terang2 tulis PARODY SATIRE bagai.... apa nak buat dah ketua parti pun tong ...

Lobai mana reti satire. Janji Islam sudah menang

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Post time 30-4-2017 08:23 PM | Show all posts
Dasar bodoh tak boleh di ajar.

Penulis bangang. Editorial pengor.

Kau tu lidah rasmi parti. Mcm ni punya bodoh mcmana org nak Ada keyakinan? Gila babi punya lobai
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Post time 30-4-2017 08:44 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
kabukiman replied at 30-4-2017 01:34 PM
Dasar bodoh tak boleh di ajar.

Penulis bangang. Editorial pengor.

Lobai mana ada yg ceredik?  
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Post time 30-4-2017 08:45 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Lobai_Sabbath replied at 30-4-2017 08:23 PM
Dasar bodoh tak boleh di ajar.

Penulis bangang. Editorial pengor.

Lobai hanya pandai menutoh jah  
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Post time 30-4-2017 08:46 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
ultra78 replied at 30-4-2017 07:43 PM
Lobai mana reti satire. Janji Islam sudah menang

Dia ingat satire tu brand barang ka nama software ka ...  
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Post time 1-5-2017 11:47 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Buat malu ja
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Post time 1-5-2017 12:04 PM | Show all posts



-  bodo punya pas pis pus .





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Post time 1-5-2017 01:39 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
pyropura replied at 30-4-2017 08:44 PM
Lobai mana ada yg ceredik?

Pm kanada masuk mesjid terus declare masuk islam... sedang di malaysia umat islam sediaada bila tak ikut parti mereka.. abis semua dikapirkan dek mereka... gila pas ni parti perosak...
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Post time 1-5-2017 02:28 PM | Show all posts



ini semua ujian ..  Islam disana takkan mampu

menyerlah selagi takda PAS .


-  ini macai2 yg cakapp .





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Post time 1-5-2017 02:28 PM | Show all posts



ini semua ujian ..  Islam disana takkan mampu

menyerlah selagi takda PAS .


-  ini macai2 yg cakapp .





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Post time 2-5-2017 07:19 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
dani-rox replied at 30-4-2017 05:44 PM
Memang pun, pok.

Thread lindsay lohan baru nak berjinak dgn islam, berduyun2 ummah yg kagum. ai ...

Mmg obvious sis...

Ntah ak pun sik faham...

Kenak perlu moleh perbandingan mcm ya...

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Post time 2-5-2017 09:05 AM | Show all posts
ni la tahap lobai pas pis pus......bodoh dan pas berpisah tiada
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Post time 2-5-2017 10:31 AM | Show all posts
maklum laa dah tak laku...kena laa taruk cite best sikitt
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Post time 2-5-2017 10:34 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Surat khabar lobai bodoh ni lah dulu cakap mustafa kamal attarturk tak diterima bumi....
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Post time 2-5-2017 10:37 AM | Show all posts
lkick2113 replied at 2-5-2017 10:34 AM
Surat khabar lobai bodoh ni lah dulu cakap mustafa kamal attarturk tak diterima bumi....

pasal beliau khususkan burqa utk pelacur kaa?  

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Post time 2-5-2017 10:42 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 10:37 AM
pasal beliau khususkan burqa utk pelacur kaa?

Hahahahahahaha.  
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Post time 2-5-2017 10:50 AM | Show all posts

The Manipulation of 24:31

And say to the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their private
parts and not to show their beauty spots except that of it which is normally
shown. They shall also cover their cleavage with their 'khimars'.

24:31
The starting point for this inquiry is to address the following questions:
1- Do we see the Arabic words 'shaar' (hair) or 'ras' (head) in 24:31? The answer is no.
2- Are there any words in 24:31, or anywhere in the Quran, which address women with the words 'cover your hair' or 'cover your head'? The answer once again is no.

However, traditional scholars insist that God issued a command for women to cover their hair. They refer to 24:31 to make their claim.

The fact that the words 'hair' and 'head' are not found in 24:31 should be sufficient for any unbiased reader to conclude that there cannot be a command to cover parts of the body if these parts are not mentioned in the first place.
Nevertheless, traditional Muslim scholars manipulated the words in 24:31 in order to enforce the covering of the hair on women, but in reality they are enforcing their culture on people and claiming it is Islamic!
It is thus the aim of this paper to analyse 24:31 in detail. In the light of the Quran it can be shown that their claims are all based on manipulated interpretations of the text in 24:31.

Their claim:

They state that the word ‘khimar’ in 24:31 means head cover, and thus they state that this word alone makes it obligatory for all women to wear a khimar to cover their hair. Here it is necessary to analyse two issues:

1- What is the correct meaning of the word khimar?
2- Is there a command in 24:31 for women to cover their hair?

1- What is the correct meaning of the word khimar?

The Arabic word khimar means cover. Any cover is a khimar. A curtain is a khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a khimar, a blanket can be called a khimar and so on. Equally, an item of clothing, be it a dress, a blouse, a scarf or any other item of clothing can be called a khimar because it covers the body. The word khamr, which is used in the Quran for intoxicants, has the same root as khimar. Khamr (intoxicants) is given that name since it covers the mind.

Traditional translators, influenced by hadith and culture, claim that khimar in 24:31 has only one meaning, and that is veil or hijab! As a result, they mislead women into believing that 24:31 commands them to cover their hair! The fact that the word khimar can mean any cover, and not just head cover, is a matter which can be verified by consulting any Arabic dictionary.
In 24:31 God is telling women to use their khimar (cover/garment), which could be a dress, a coat, a shawl, a blouse, a scarf and so on to cover their cleavage/bosoms. The command in 24:31, regardless of the meaning of the word khimar, is to cover the bossom and not to cover the hair.

2- Is there a command in 24:31 for women to cover their hair?

As mentioned, the words 'head' and 'hair' are not found in 24:31. In addition, we must differentiate between two components in the wording of 24:31.
God says to women to draw their khimar (garment) over their cleavage/bossom. Here we have:

1- The subject of the command, which is the covering of the cleavage/bossom
2- The tool, which is the khimar.

The command is only obligatory in relation to the subject and never the tool.
If the obligation was for the tool as well God would have said:
'cover your cleavage and your hair with your khimar'.
God is not short of words, nor is God vague in the commands He decrees for us.
God will hold us accountable on the Day of Judgement to the commands He gave us in the Quran, so it is not rational to imply for one moment that God would give us vague commands which lack precision and certainty.

To further demonstrate the difference between the command and the tool, consider the following example:
God tells us in 5:4 that He made lawful for us to eat "what the trained birds of prey and dogs catch".
Here the law relates to what we are allowed to eat, while the tool is the trained dogs and birds of prey.
Could we derive from the words in 5:4 that it is obligatory to eat what our dogs and birds catch?
Such claims would be in parallel to the manipulation in 24:31 which turned the tool (khimar) into being the obligation!

In addition, the command to cover the cleavage/bosom also proves that there is no obligation to cover what is above the cleavage/bosom (neck, head and hair). If these parts above the bosom are also to be covered then why would God single out the cleavage/bosom, unless it is because God did not make it mandatory to cover what is above the cleavage?

Finally a mention must be included regarding the words: "not to show their beauty spots except that of it which is normally shown."

Somehow, the scholars managed to manipulate these words as well to imply that women must be covered from head to toe!
The immediate question is: what are the parts of the body which people (in general) and women (in particular) normally cover, and thus, which parts would be described as "normally shown"? When we have defined what is normally covered, it follows that the remaining parts of the body are what is referred to as "normally shown", or normally uncovered. In general, people cover the following:

1- People cover their private parts in order to maintain righteousness (7:26). For women this would include all parts of the body which have sexual connotation such as the private parts, the backside, the chest, thighs and so on. It is for this purpose that God commands women in 33:59 to lengthen their garments so as not to be too revealing.

2- People also cover their bodies in order to keep warm. In warm climates people would only cover what is included under item 1 above, which would be the minimum clothing required but also for maintaining righteousness, while as in colder climates people would cover more of their bodies depending on the severity of the weather.

The above two points define what parts of the body would normally be covered under the words "normally shown".
To imply that the words "normally shown" mean all the body, as some Imams preach, is yet another manipulation of God’s words.
If God wanted the woman to cover all her body, would God be careful to make the command to cover the "cleavage"? Surely the cleavage would be covered if women covered all their body? If that was what God demanded, God would have simply said “cover all your body”. But for God to single out specific parts of the body for covering is the proof that God never required women to cover all their bodies.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/khomoorehenna_(P1226).html
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:21 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 10:50 AM
The Manipulation of 24:31

And say to the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their ...

La  Cong,  kan aku dah lama anggap rambut pompuan tak wajib berbungkus.... Kan dah banyak perdebatan aku,  Maideen Dan lain2 forumner dgn pakar aurat porem cari dalam thread lama2
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:26 AM | Show all posts
lkick2113 replied at 2-5-2017 11:21 AM
La  Cong,  kan aku dah lama anggap rambut pompuan tak wajib berbungkus.... Kan dah banyak perdebat ...

thread tu dah ghaib?  
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:29 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 11:26 AM
thread tu dah ghaib?

Tak pasti cong.... Kena Search
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