[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-10 12:21 AM:
If you're very good finding faults on Islam, I'm sure you don't have any problems with the child marriage in the ancient days.

I can't find any sorce that says pre-islamic arabian practice child-adult marriages. Do you mind proving your statement by providing the proof.

If you can't then just say " i'm mistaken, i thought child-adult marriage was common for the pre-islamic arabian, but i am not sure now" .. that will do.

Fuzzman

DivinePonytail wrote: The reason we 'nevermind' those verses because we see nothing wrong in it. Reading from mr Osama Abdallah material before havent you. No mister, no word sex or consumate there. This shows how shallow your mind is.

Hahahaha the reason you "NEVERMINDED" Numbers 31: 17-18 and Numbers 31:40 was because you knew then and now that there's everything wrong with those verses. It's so clear what those verses meant and yet you deny them so openly. Go any shallower than that and shit will dry out on the mud! LOL.

Let us all study the verses in question that you "NEVERMINDED" because "YOU SAW NOTHING WRONG IN THEM"  Fuzzman readily calls this a MENTAL EVALUATION TEST. You okay with that. In case you don't understand what I'm pushing here, I'm about to put you through a mental acceptance test open for all to see how you think and make decisions from this style of thoughts.

THE VERSES THAT YOU SAW NOTHING WRONG IN THEM AND CHOSE TO "NEVERMIND".
Case Study One.
Numbers 31:17-18  reads :"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.[31:18]But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Results from the above:-
1. You are agreeable with murder.
2. You are agreeable with genocide.
3. You are agreeable to the murder of defenseless women who are married.
4. You are agreeable to sex slavery.
5. You are agreeable to sexual abuse of young girls. [women children]
6. You are agreeable to forced paedophilia of young girls.[women children]
7. You are agreeable to Moses being a paedophile.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU? HOW WILL THE LAW JUDGE YOU TODAY?

Case Study Two.
Numbers 31:35-40 reads  [35]And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.[40]And the persons [were] sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute [was] thirty and two persons.

Results from the above:-
1. You are agreeable to mass rape.
2. You are agreeable to the idea that God is a paedophile.
3. You are agreeable to the idea that God demands young girls as tributes.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU? HOW WILL THE LAW JUDGE YOU TODAY?
The answer would be a BEASTLY MURDEROUS SICK PERSON that either deserves the gallows, electric chair or a firing squad. That's what?
So now everyone gets to know a part of you that was never seen before. So how can anyone take what you saY for face value given your state of mind? Man you're a [F-word]ing walking Section 8 for crying out loud! They should throw you into the slammer and throw the keys away for good. LOL

DivinePonytail wrote: Reading from mr Osama Abdallah material before havent you. No mister, no word sex or consumate there. This shows how shallow your mind is.If Osama knew anything about the Bible he would抳e known that these 32 people weren抰 used in a sexual fashion but would be dedicated to God, like Samuel.

First it was Bukhari and now Osama? Hell might as well throw in Osama bin Laden, the best buddy of GW Bush too? You mean to say that a Moslem named Osama wrote the Bible? Hehehehe.
So pray tell Fuzzman as to how those 32 dark-eyed virgin-maidens would be dedicated to God?

ARI FUZZMAN

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aenemy7

:lol :lol :lol

U guys have nothing else to question the legality of the prophet muhammad(pbuh) marriage,show any proof that it was rejected by the society at that time or if u can give proof which the society at that time consider the marriage as phaedophile action.....

logically, if the society(pagan,jews and christian) at that time accept it,automatically it's a common practice at that time! if the society rejects the marriage there's no way the marriage can be done anyway right??

It's simple logic, just ask the best missionaries u can find on this planet...


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Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall....

wira_melayu

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 10-3-2005 12:21 AM:


My response:-

If you're very good finding faults on Islam, I'm sure you don't have any problems with the child marriage in the ancient days.

I'm sure FH3 has not much knowledge about the differences and norms during those days and today!He yet to prove that Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile which again and again proves his failure for a 7th century cultural norms into today modern society but yet shows his/her foolishness and ignorant replies.

wira_melayu

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 10-3-2005 12:51 AM:


I can't find any sorce that says pre-islamic arabian practice child-adult marriages. Do you mind proving your statement by providing the proof.

If you can't then just say &quo ...

That's a pretty nice post FH3 and it goes without sayings that your idea are bankrupt!Where's your common senses goes to?Are you trying to imply that we still have horses and cows as a means of transportation in today modern society?What "cows" you taking to work?i will be glad to hear if you have moves on and probably drives to work.[color=Red]but you yet to answer my earlier question?

Your replies;

According to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right and wrong are ordained by Almighty God. As such, morality does not change over time based on our whims, desires or cultural sensitivities. In cultures where there is no Divinely revealed ruling on an issue, what is right and what is wrong is determined by cultural norms. In such cases, a person would only be considered "immoral" if they violated the accepted norms of their society. As we will demonstrate, the Prophet Muhammad's  marriage to 'Aishah, viewed both in the light of Absolute Morality and the cultural norms of his time, was not an immoral act, but was an act containing valuable lessons for generations to come. Additionally, this marriage followed the norms for all Semitic peoples, including those of Biblical times. Based on this, it is grossly hypocritical for Christians to criticise the Prophet's   marriage to 'Aishah at such a young age. In case Christian readers are under the false impression that their values today are timeless and somehow reflect those of Biblical times, please consider the following points which are directly related to the question of at what age a person is properly ready to be married:

Keeping in mind the ideas of "political correctness" and "absolute morality", in Biblical times the age at which a girl could marry was puberty.  However, during the Middle Ages it was usually twelve years old.  Now in most "Christian" countries it is between fourteen and sixteen years old. some states allow partners of the same sex to legally marry, but consider an eighteen year old boy who sleeps with a sixteen year old girl a "statutory rapist".

Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty.  This was the case in Biblical times,and is still used to determine the age of marriage in what the culturally arrogant West calls "primitive societies" throughout the world.  As the ahadith about 'Aishah's age show, her betrothal took place at least three years before the consummation of the marriage.  The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to come of age (i.e. to have her first menstrual period).  Puberty is a biological sign which shows that a women is capable of bearing children.  Can anyone logically deny this?

It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible under Islamic Law.  At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions.  It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry.  The evidence shows that 'Aishah's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad  was one which both parties and their families agreed upon.  Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with it.  On the contrary, they were all happy about it. solute:

DivinePonytail

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 10-3-2005 01:37 AM:

Hahahaha the reason you "NEVERMINDED" Numbers 31: 17-18 and Numbers 31:40 was because you knew then and now that there's everything wrong with  ...

Again tryng to sway from the topic. Now instead of failing to prove there were sex involves in those verses, you're trying to point out murder, genocide, killings etc. We can easily do it too, quoting from the quran. You talked alot, but have no 'substance'. You fail to prove using the bible, the verses contains pedophilia. Only your worthless opinion, insults and lots of haha.

Let me say this again,
1. You fail to prove in Numbers 31: 17-18 the young girls are used for sex.

2. You fail to prove in Numbers 31:40, rape was commited.

3 You fail to prove in Numbers 31:40, God commited pedophilia.

Debmey

We've proven clearly though that Mo was a paedophile and he used Allah's revelation as an excuse for it.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-10 10:48 AM:
We've proven clearly though that Mo was a paedophile and he used Allah's revelation as an excuse for it.

peace

Nonsense. You've been beaten flat.

Queen Margaret of Denmark was married off when she was 10, and this was 700 hundred years after Muhammad.  She was a Catholic.

In the 10th Century, the Augustus' legislation assumed that many females would join their husbands at the minimum legal age of 12 years. Their husbands would be much older. Only less than 300 years different to time of Muhammad.

In Canada and China currently, the age of consent is 14 years of age, whilst is Peru it is 12 for females.  In some states in the USA, the age of consent is 14 years old today, 1405 years after Muhammad's time.

Then, in the other thread Debmey said "...laws of the land is the best suited to the times and conditions where the people live."

If the laws of the land was best suited during his time, why is Debmey making a big fuss about Mohammad?  It is not a religious thing is it Debmey?  

Debmey is so hung up about paedos, but he failed to note that it is legal to bed underage children in some states in his beloved US of A.

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Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-3-10 12:51 AM:


I can't find any sorce that says pre-islamic arabian practice child-adult marriages. Do you mind proving your statement by providing the proof.

If you can't then just say &quo ...

My response:-

Why shd I do that? Go & check out for yourself since you've much time to spare incl. articles from anti-Islam websites to bash Islam.

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-3-10 12:39 AM:


All we know about p.Muhammad is based on the hadiths(stories) that were written long after his dead. The hadith says he had concubines.. which means sex out of wedlock.

How ca ...

My response:-

I don't reject hadiths. I said anything in the hadiths shd be reconciled with the most reliable source ie. the Holy Quran. Even there's a verse on female captives, it doesn't mean the Prophet himself kept concubines & sex slaves. Nothing was mentioned in the Holy Quran that he did. Even there was a law that an imam can stop such practice during that particular period.

Debmey

Samerosie,

First of all Margaret of Denmark was no saint of Christianity. I never even heard of her nor was she ever raised up as a model for makind like Mo was.

All the cultures you describe has 12 year old of age as marriageable, much higher than the 6 for Aisha. In other words, they are all superior over Islam. Islam is the worst system. Even in Misa, the earliest age of marriage is way above 12.
Thanks for telling us all this cos it clearly exposes Islam as an evil religion.

peace

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-10 06:33 PM:
Samerosie,

First of all Margaret of Denmark was no saint of Christianity. I never even heard of her nor was she ever raised up as a model for makind like Mo was.

All the cultures you describ ...

My response:-

Yeah, that's the usual answer from a loser! Nothing more!

Debmey

And yu muslims still have no answer to Mo's paedophilia.
The fact is, you can't. Mo was clearly a paedophile and yu are stuck with that.

wira_melayu

Originally posted by Debmey at 10-3-2005 11:39 PM:
And yu muslims still have no answer to Mo's paedophilia.
The fact is, you can't. Mo was clearly a paedophile and yu are stuck with that.

Unfortunately you failed to convince everyone here that Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile.You've shown your immaturity in responding to everyone concerning this issues thus exposing your foolishness to everyone here.I'm sad to see your 9 year old niece to have an uncle who can't really understand the norms of yesteryears.Hope your 9 year old niece to be better off educated unlike you.Perhaps you have just failed your entire generations and probably your ancestor since you can't constuctively convince that Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile:cak::cak::cak:

The one who is stuck is you Debmey.You are floored!!:lollol

EVEN NO COURT IN THIS WORLD TODAY CAN CONVINCE THE WORLD THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD IS A PEDOPHILE!:solute:


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aenemy7

debmey stuck with his words....:lol ,

he can't proof rejections of the society(pagan,jews & christians) of the marriage at that time! logically if the society accepts it,it's considered normal and nothing unusual and the best part was even Aisya parents endorsed the marriage....




Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall...

Debmey

It doesn't matter what the culture was at that time.
Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha and that makes hima paedophile.

It proves that Mo wasn't a godly man as he perpetutated a sinful practice.

peace

FaithHealer3

Muhammadans like wira-melayu, aenemy7 etc fail understand why the big fuss about the pedophilic marriage of p.Muhammad with Aisha.

The pedophilic marriage happen long ago and is irrelevant today, right?
WRONG. The pedophilic marriage is as relevant as p.Muhammad till today because of Quranic surah33 verse21.

What p.Muhammad did with Aisha was not a "beautiful pattern of conduct" for anyone to imitate. The pedophilic marriage, a 53 year oldman marrying a 9year old girl is an abhorrent example, which must be condemned and not praised. Very simple.

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