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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
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So what's wrong with that? Does that make the prophet a paedophile? Was there any law in those days that getting married to a 9 yr old girl is a crime? |
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Debmey, where're you? Come on, don't log-out yet! I need you to answer the above question. |
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Debmey wrote: I have got hard proofs from the hadiths that Mo had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 years of age and hadn't had a clue of what was going on. And I got hard proofs on this veryu thread that Muslims like Baiduri, Kennkid, aenemy7, sonny and Fuzzman are immoral to justify Mo's actions.
Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck."
The only hard proofs that you've provided so far, is just proving that you have a hardhead that readily and only sees paedophiilia in anything that sounds off "MO" but you and DivinePonytail "NEVERMINDS" the acts of paedophilia warranted by Mo-ses for the captured "women children"? You people are [f-word]ing immoral for not justifying your stand on Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:40. You and DivinePonytail mean to say that paedophilia is alright if its called for in the Bible? There's nothing in Bukhari that speaks of paedophilia on the part of prophet Mohammad but the verses from Numbers in the Bible okay-ed paedophilia. So that makes you and DivinePonytail immoral Christians for justifying Mo's actions. In this case Mo stands for MO-SES! Hahaahahahaha...what a bunch of lateshow jerk-offs?!!
So who are the Ansari women in your favorite Bukhari verse? I'm sure DivinePonytail will once again asks us all to "NEVERMIND" about these Ansari women! LOL.
ARI FUZZMAN
[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 8-3-2005 at 01:25 AM ] |
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 8-3-2005 01:20 AM:
you and DivinePonytail "NEVERMINDS" the acts of paedophilia warranted by Mo-ses for the captured "women children"? You people are [f-word]ing immoral for not justifying your stand on Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:40.
The reason we 'nevermind' those verses because we see nothing wrong in it. Reading from mr Osama Abdallah material before havent you. No mister, no word sex or consumate there. This shows how shallow your mind is.
http://answer-islam.org/AnsweringPornography.htm
Note: green is from Mr Osama Abdallah.
Let us look at Numbers 31:17 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Take the virgin women and rape them.
The Bible doesn抰 tell you to rape the women. Another lie, by Bible neophyte Osama. If you read Numbers 31:16, you see that these people caused God抯 people to commit sins against the sovereign Yahweh. Through war, God was bringing judgment upon the unbelievers. It抯 funny how Osama tries to use this since we can easily point out tons of verses that tell people to kill the unbeliever in the Quran. My dear reader, a hypocrite can抰 judge the Bible especially since his prophet commanded his believers to kill based on hi own merits compared to Moses who followed God.
Even GOD enjoys raping virgin women in Numbers 31:35-40 "[From the captives of war] 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.......of which the tribute for the LORD was 32 [virgin women]."
It doesn抰 say anywhere in these scriptures that God enjoyed raping women, another reason why Osama lies by posting out of context. If Osama knew anything about the Bible he would抳e known that these 32 people weren抰 used in a sexual fashion but would be dedicated to God, like Samuel. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-7 11:25 PM:
So what's wrong with that? Does that make the prophet a paedophile? Was there any law in those days that getting married to a 9 yr old girl is a crime?
Yes indeed, having sex with a 9 year old Aisha does make Mo a paedophile.
BTW Muslism have already agreed that Mo was never a prophet.
In good old days in Sarawak, they love to head hunt and it was not illegal. Does that make it OK and mnoral to do so? Surely then Mo is definitely not a divinely guided man but a carnal man.
peace
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-8 08:52 AM:
Yes indeed, having sex with a 9 year old Aisha does make Mo a paedophile.
BTW Muslism have already agreed that Mo was never a prophet.
In good old days in Sarawak, they love to ...
My response:-
Where did the Muslims agree that Prophet Muhammad saw. was never a prophet? Being married ONCE & ALL to a 9 yr old girl does not make the prophet a paedophile since it was normal for people to get married at young age during those old days. Otherwise, hadith writers like Bukhari won't be recording it.
Regarding the headhunting in Swak - of course with civilisation & laws, it's a crime to do headhunting. But in the old days, you can't consider it as a crime - it was their culture. If somehow we find a group of these indigenous group still practicing headhunting but living in remote areas away from modernisation, civilisation where we can't reach them - we can't charge them committing a crime! Can you distinguish that?
Of course, in the case of Prophet Muhammad saw. - his marriage to Siti Aisya' is legitimate & not to forget, it was her father who arranged the marriage. No one opposed the marriage in the first place. Again, it was normal to get married at young age in those days! Mind you, they were married & not having sex out of wedlock.
[ Last edited by Baiduri Othman on 9-3-2005 at 08:03 PM ] |
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I don't think that sex with 9 year olds was common even during Mo's time.
It is immoral back tehn and immoral now.
Irt just shows that Mo could not be a divine guided man to be a model for mankind.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-9 09:43 PM:
I don't think that sex with 9 year olds was common even during Mo's time.
It is immoral back tehn and immoral now.
Irt just shows that Mo could not be a divine guided man to be a model for mank ...
My response:-
The problem with you is - you fail to reason out anything b'coz you're paid for the job to convince us that Prophet Muhammad saw. is a paedophile. Of course, he's not DIVINE b'coz he's only a God's Messenger & an ordinary human being!!!
Did anyone here mention that the prophet is DIVINE? |
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The real truth - child marriage or marriage at younger age was common & normal in the ancient days. It didn't happen in Arab countries only but other parts of the world incl. China, India, Japan, Europe countries etc. Even in ancient India, child marriage was very common. A 8 yr old girl can be married to a middle-age man. Whereas Chinese Emperors in ancient China kept young concubines & had sex out of wedlocks. |
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Mo kept concubines and sex slaves too. Would you like to be a concubine or sex slave sister Baiduri? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-9 11:29 PM:
Mo kept concubines and sex slaves too. Would you like to be a concubine or sex slave sister Baiduri?
My response:-
The Prophet never kept any concubines or sex slaves. Any claims or accusations that he did was the works of anti-Islam like you. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-9 09:56 PM:
The real truth - child marriage or marriage at younger age was common & normal in the ancient days. It didn't happen in Arab countries only blah blah blah.
The real truth? LOL
Thats a strong statement. Lets see the prove first. The prove shall be from your own islamic sorces, will do.
Is there any prove that child marriage(adult with young kids) was common in arabia? How common was the Pedophilic Marrages in pre-islamic arabia?
Is there anyone before p.Muhammad married a kid? Any names? Any sahih hadiths or not so sahih hadiths mentioning adults marrying young girls?
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Why would hadith writers need to waste their time recording child marriage of other people in those days? If child marriage was a crime, Bukhari won't be stupid to record such marriage (ie. the Prophet marriage to Siti Aisya') b'coz it's a very stupid mistake to make. Do you get that?
[ Last edited by Baiduri Othman on 9-3-2005 at 11:52 PM ] |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-9 11:47 PM:
Why would hadith writers need to waste their time recording child marriage of other people in those days? If child marriage was a crime, Bukhari won't be stupid to record such marriage (ie. the Pro ...
Fine.
So tell me how did you know that "The real truth - child marriage or marriage at younger age was common & normal in the ancient days. It didn't happen in Arab countries only...?
Are you just assuming?
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-3-9 11:58 PM:
Fine.
So tell me how did you know that "The real truth - child marriage or marriage at younger age was common & normal in the ancient days. It didn't happen in Ara ...
My response:-
Well, you can check child marriage in ancient days in Yahoo or Google etc. For your kind info, I don't make statements based on assumptions or biasness/double-standard whatsoever b'coz I'm a reasonable person. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-9 11:33 PM:
The Prophet never kept any concubines or sex slaves. Any claims or accusations that he did was the works of anti-Islam like you.
There is a islamic website thats claims "The responses are handled by Sheikh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid, using only authentic, scholarly sources based on the Quran and sunnah, and other reliable contemporary scholarly opinions." The site is known as www.islam-qa.com
Here is what they say about p.Muhammad's concubine.. Question #47572
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had four concubines, one of whom was Mariyah.
Ibn al-Qayyim said:
Abu 慤baydah said: He had four (concubines): Mariyah, who was the mother of his son Ibraaheem; Rayhaanah; another beautiful slave woman whom he acquired as a prisoner of war; and a slave woman who was given to him by Zaynab bint Jahsh. Zaad al-Ma抋ad, 1/114
[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 on 10-3-2005 at 12:26 AM ] |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-10 12:01 AM:
Well, you can check child marriage in ancient days in Yahoo or Google etc. For your kind info, I don't make statements based on assumptions or biasness/double-standard whatsoever b'coz I'm a reasonable person.
I sure you are.
But since you made the strong statement that child marriage was common in ancient arabia, it would be only reasonable if you provide the prove. Isn't that a reasonable request?
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From my understanding, Allah swt. only chose those with good akhlak to be His Messengers incl. Prophet Muhammad saw. Why would He chose someone keeping concubines or sex slaves to be one of His Messengers? As a Muslim, I don't trust any materials claiming the Prophet kept concubines/sex slaves whatsover. We are uncertain whether these articles/materials were authentic or written by anti-Islam writers b'coz the events happened some 1400 yrs ago. Even some of the materials were written after hundred yrs of the prophet's death. We can only rely our judgement based on our Holy Al Quran. Hadiths shd only be reconciled with Holy Quran & not on articles/materials that we doubt its authenticity. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-3-10 12:16 AM:
I sure you are.
But since you made the strong statement that child marriage was common in ancient arabia, it would be only reasonable if you provide the prove. Isn't that a re ...
My response:-
If you're very good finding faults on Islam, I'm sure you don't have any problems with the child marriage in the ancient days. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-3-10 12:19 AM:
From my understanding, Allah swt. only chose those with good akhlak to be His Messengers incl. Prophet Muhammad saw. Why would He chose someone keeping concubines or sex slaves to be one of His Mes ...
All we know about p.Muhammad is based on the hadiths(stories) that were written long after his dead. The hadith says he had concubines.. which means sex out of wedlock.
How can you reject the hadiths that you don't like. To the people who wrote the hadiths, concubines are not an issue.. no problemo.. that is why they believe the stories to be true, and they recorded those stories.
again from www.islam-qa.com Question #20802
Allaah has permitted intimacy with a slave woman if the man owns her. This is not regarded as adultery as suggested in the question. Allaah says, describing the believers (interpretation of the meaning):
搕hose who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess,__ for then, they are free from blame |
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Post time 7-3-2005 11:25 PM
