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Post time 27-8-2008 12:02 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 2-9-2008 03:06 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by edypublicmutual at 1-3-2008 01:43 PM


Kita kena faham konsep unit trust tu sendiri dulu. Unit trust ni kita kumpul duit investor dan invest di kaunter2 yg boleh bagi pulangan tinggi. So dgn kata lain kita invest di byk kaunter dg ...


gitu ker..selama nih tak paham..main masuk jah..
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Post time 2-9-2008 10:17 AM | Show all posts
lamanyerr.. page mendap
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Post time 3-9-2008 06:01 AM | Show all posts
salam semua.......
newbies nak tumpang lalu ni..huhuk....

alhamdulillah tgok prestasi dah hijau skang...most of my investor tgh on paper loss. penat gak nak explain pd dorg...tapi alhamdulillah dorng dah dipahamkan untuk stay med-long term inversment in UT.

SELAMAT MEYAMBUT RAMADHAN.....
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Post time 4-9-2008 10:02 PM | Show all posts
tumpang tanya...
Saya baru berjinak2 invest unit trust nih sejak awal thn 2008.

NAV public ittikal dah 0.8058 hari ni...Last time, Jad target if reach below 0.80, plan nak tambah sikit kat PI. he he tapikan, saya dalam dilema iaitu:samada
a) Patut proceed belikah sekarang? atau
b) Tunggu biar NAV PI turun lagi, baru beli. tapi setakat mana NAV turun baru beli? Kalau nak ikut trend, mmg boleh dikatakan sts turunlah kan sejak bebrapa bulan nih. dalam hati rasa macm nak tunggu lagi hingga  at least reach last year PI lowest NAV(kalu x silap 0.75).

Komen agent saya: Sebaiknya dah capai target certain NAV to sell or buy, kena teruskan sbb kita tak tau bila NAV lowest or highest. Rasanya macam betul jer apa dia cakap tuh tp saya ada sikit was2. Ada komen?

Soalan lain: Camner nak set target amaun NAV reach baper, baru top up beli dalam keadaan senario:
a) Cash/Monthly investment-di mana very small bajet diperuntukan. spt kes di atas.
b) EPF- bajet lebih skit drp monthly investment.

tk.

-Saya budak tua baru belajar bab unit trust. Harap ada yg sudi kongsi pengalaman.
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Post time 5-9-2008 02:02 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by jadree00 at 4-9-2008 10:02 PM
tumpang tanya...
Saya baru berjinak2 invest unit trust nih sejak awal thn 2008.

NAV public ittikal dah 0.8058 hari ni...Last time, Jad target if reach below 0.80, plan nak tambah sikit kat PI ...


salam bro...ni UTC muda nak tlg mjwb..

ya btol mmg kita takkan tau smpi mana lowest NAV Piittikal akan terus turun...my advise is try mintak your ejen practise n taech u  Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) dimana u invest konsistenly in ur account to average the NAV per unit. in the long run u`ll see your kos per unit will decreased from NAV initial investment.InsyaAllah.

as UT is mid-long term investment vehicles i reccomend u to practise DCA since NAV per unit is lower now.bila run DCA will see profit lebih cpt masa market pick-up naik...

my opinion....kalo slh tlg betulkan..

slmt bersahur semua...
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Post time 5-9-2008 06:29 AM | Show all posts

Reply #486 pojikun85's post

Tk atas yor khidmat nasihat.:flower:

sama macam agent saya cakap iaitu konsep DCA. Saya pun agree that concept sesuai dipakai  dalam senario dimana NAV up and down dan dah praktis consistently invest monthly walaupun sikit2 sejak mula berjinak2 dgn unit trust ini.

pada saya, dalam senarion thn ini dimana, trend kelihatan NAV sts down and unlikely up(jarang2 jer up), Jadiknya mmg bagus utk membeli. Cumanya, kalau kita macam boleh agak next month pun tak der tanda2 nak up, why not kita tunggu next month jer utk invest terutamanya bagi kes jika gunakan pengeluaran epf yang dibuat jarang2? Harap jgn serik yer...please komen.
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Post time 5-9-2008 09:39 AM | Show all posts
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Post time 5-9-2008 09:39 AM | Show all posts
boring betul aku ngan forum nie...mendap:@ :@ :@ :@  tak habis2
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Post time 5-9-2008 09:49 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by jadree00 at 5-9-2008 06:29 AM
Tk atas yor khidmat nasihat.:flower:

sama macam agent saya cakap iaitu konsep DCA. Saya pun agree that concept sesuai dipakai  dalam senario dimana NAV up and down dan dah praktis consistentl ...


Nobody can predict when market will up or will down and everytime is not the highest and not the lowest. Usually, UTC will said that don't time the market, but time in.

In your case, those yg topup by epf is advised to consistently do it every 3 months, regardless what scenario on that time.

only by then, investor will meet their objective to maximize their epf savings
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Post time 5-9-2008 12:40 PM | Show all posts
tu dia senior dah menjawab....
agree with u my senior........
nasihat Bro Amirul jgn tak dgr bro...dia mmg komited dlm UT..
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Post time 7-9-2008 03:27 PM | Show all posts
mana org len nih....misti tgh bizi persiapkan raya nih ....aku jer ada kat sini
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Post time 7-9-2008 07:13 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by jadree00 at 5-9-2008 06:29 AM
Tk atas yor khidmat nasihat.:flower:

sama macam agent saya cakap iaitu konsep DCA. Saya pun agree that concept sesuai dipakai  dalam senario dimana NAV up and down dan dah praktis consistentl ...


DCA ye, apa kata baca artikel ni dulu

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/p104966.asp

http://www.investingminds.com/a/2007/05/13/the-myth-of-dollar-cost-averaging/

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/dollar_cost.htm
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Post time 8-9-2008 12:02 AM | Show all posts
ni executive summary je daripada Dr. John Greenhut, Associate Professor of Finance in the College of Business and Technology at Texas A&M University

http://habitsforwealth.com/2008/ ... ging-does-not-work/
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Post time 8-9-2008 10:36 AM | Show all posts
Adapun, komisyen bagi ejen-ejen Takaful dan Unit Trust bagi apa yang mereka usahakan sendiri, adalah HALAL.



Namun, bagi ejensi Manager yang memperolehi komsiyen bertingkat atau overriding commission, pandangan saya setakat ini masih sama denganapa yang saya tuliskan dalam artikel MLM. Iaitu TIDAK DIBENARKAN kecuali apa yang anda usahakan sendiri sahaja.Hasil yang diperolehi secara automatik dari kerja orang bawahan anda tanpasebarang usaha yang langung directdari  anda, ia adalah TIDAK DIBENARKANdan jatuh dalam kategori Syubhat. Apapun, saya pulangkan tanggungjawab fatwakomsiyen ini kepada Majlis Shariah Saham Amanah Islam dan Takaful masing-masinguntuk membincangkan dengan teliti. Wallahu'alam.
Bagi sesiapa yang kurang jelas maksud overriding commission ia adalah :

    • In traditional sales environments, an override is a commission paid                 to managers on sales made by their subordinates, usually calculated as a                 percentage of the gross sales commissions earned by the                 salesperson.                 
    • Similarly, in multi-level marketing, agents receive a                 commission on sales made by their downline (recruited agents).
            




b)     Hukum komisyen bagiejen-ejen saham amanah unit trustyang berunsur riba, haram dan tidak diluluskan oleh Majlis Shariah SuruhanjayaSekuriti Malaysia, adalah HARAM secara sepakat ulama.



Komisyen ejen unit trust YANG DILULUS MAJLIS SHARIAH pulaadalah halal namun tetakluk pula kepada apa yang dijualnya sendiri sahaja. Iasama seperti isu ejen Takaful di atas. Wallahu'alam.



Sekian

Zaharuddin Abd Rahman




baca lebih lanjut di


http://zaharuddin.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=752&Itemid=95

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Post time 8-9-2008 05:11 PM | Show all posts
mendap lagi ???
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Post time 8-9-2008 05:12 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 10-9-2008 06:23 AM | Show all posts

Reply #493 ahmedinejad's post

Tk share artikel yg menarik. Bagus utk dibincangkan kebaikan dan kelemahan 3 strategi tersebut

Saya ringkaskan(apa yg saya faham) drp artikel2 tu. Terdapt 3 strategi unit trust investment:
1) Dolar Cost Averaging-fixed amount & fixed interval. Paling Sesuai digunakan dalam keadaan market is expected downward.
2) Lump Sump--Beli harga paling rendah. Jual  harga tinggi. Sesuai digunakan dalam keadaan market is expected upward selepas dibeli.
3) Random
- cth dlm artikel tuh (fixed amount, not fixed interval)
4) Random2-Yg nie saya tambah drp buku Sunthara Segar(not fixed amount, fixed interval)
Pada saya, strategi ke-3 dan ke-4 diatas ialah variation kepada DCA.

Saya paling tertarik dgn strategi ke-4(utk investment 3-5 yrs) sbbnya ianya melatih disiplin utk monthly invest dan jugak amount invested monthly bergantung kpd NAV semasa iaitu jika NAV rendah-beli lebih , jika NAV tinggi-beli kurang.

p/s- Saya budak tua baru belajar, kalau salah tolong tunjukkan.

[ Last edited by  jadree00 at 10-9-2008 06:25 AM ]
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