[MERGED] Berat Baby

mamapotter

Originally posted by ituini at 28-2-2007 12:26 AM
LA.... rasanya memang ramai bu dok risau tentang berat baby kita...

ituini rasa yang penting kita tak payah nak banding-banding dgn anak orng lain sebab baka juga memainkan peranan.
kalau a ...

so this is the origin of the posting yg buat aku hangin pagi ni?????????????????????
so your point is kalau tak bf is not a good mother???? bb will jadi lembik???? mentally slow???? what is your point actually?????? what if like spidernfly has pointed out yg CANNOT BF COZ OF MEDICAL HEALTH OR NO MILK AT ALL???? even after doing all that is possible????? you fikir tak bile you buat statement ni!????

I bf my bb for 20days only coz i was all dried up!!!! dah buat mcm2 nak bagi ade milk balik ...nada!!! so i have no choice have to resort to formula....and i think I am a good mother becoz i do find solutions immediately to feed my baby..rather biar dia melalak hungry, as a matter of fact...my bb weight was very fine!! Indeed very good as my paed said!!, his development was good...some of my friends here have met my baby!!!!!, at 5mths he can already standing with his hands resting on the sofa!!!! he is very tough baby too...and develop new vocabs everyday!!! hardly fall sick...and wot u have to say about that???

IM NOT HERE TO BASH YOU...BUT YOUR STATEMENT IS INSULTING TO FEW MOTHER LIKE ME WHO CANNOT BF FOR SOME REASONS!!

i know it is merely your 2cents.....but then again....yeah 2cents for what it worth...used 2 ringgit next time...maybe it will make more sense!!!! ,

next time hati2 ape nak cakap!!!!, as you said dont be proud if your bb this and that.....but i think you are the person that is all about talk!!!!!, im not perfect, neither want to be want...but I know i am a good mother and forever will be, no questions about that!!!

if Allah nak tunjuk kan next time you cant bf your bb...maybe then it will make sense to you..what you have said today!!!

[ Last edited by  mamapotter at 1-3-2007 10:52 AM ]

babylicious

Originally posted by ituini at 28-2-2007 12:26 AM
LA.... rasanya memang ramai bu dok risau tentang berat baby kita...

ituini rasa yang penting kita tak payah nak banding-banding dgn anak orng lain sebab baka juga memainkan peranan.
kalau a ...

aduss..terhiris perasaan燼ku sebagai seorang ibu dengan kata-kata nyer...
alo kawan..think twice before u said anything..

aie81

Kecik ati kite tau x semestinye bg susu formula tu x ok pd aie sama aje 1st baby aie mmg x leh nak bg bf sepenuhnye sbb xde susu sgt 2nd baby dlm pantang bg bf lps tu campur sbb keje.

ituini awak surirumah ke bekerja.

lyly

geram sungguh tgk pp dia..

acik311

Sabau... sabau mommies semua...
Saya paham perasaan mommies...
Harap ituini pikirkan semula dan mohon maaf secara terbuka...

ituini

Alamak...adui...adui...adui

apa ni? apa ni? mengamuk sana sini. Saya pun mak jugak... untuk menjawab persoalaan saya memang keje..fulltime. im an architect...

Sorry le kalau tersinggung... Kenapa tiba tiba MASUK BAB KALAU TAK BF NOT A GOOD MOTHER NI? Dari mana datang...i tak cakap pun....???? (confuse kejap) kenapa rasa macam tu pulak?????? (alahaaaaaaaiiii) Sian saya tak pasal-pasal kena....

I am just stating the facts... BREAST FEEDING and FORMULA memang TAK sama. itu hakikat. BEZANYA macam langit dan bumi

MACAM nilah...itu bukan kata saya memang HASIL KAJIAN..bukal hasil kajian saya...

lebih 400 nutrien yg ada dalam susu ibu TIDAK ADA dalam susu formula...bukan 1 atau 2 atau 100 tapi 400!!! kan tak sama...
tak mungkin sama ciptaan tuhan dengan ciptaan manusia... terimalah hakikat tu. sekali lagi BUKAN saya cakap... jangan marah SAYA...(tak bersalah) kalau manusia nak cipta robot tak akan sama dengan manusia yg dicipta tuhan KAN?

memang susu formula CUBA meniru...teapi tak mungkin dan tak AKAN sama....

memang bb yang minum susu ibu IQ mereka lebih tinggi...8-10 point lebih tinggi.... ITS A FACT.... (sekali lg bukan cakap saya ok)

dan memang ANTIBODI mereka lebih timggi... susu formula TIDAK ADA antibodi... (again from research)

anak yg diberi susu ibu kurang risiko menghidap penyakit kronik bila besar....kurang masalah obesiti...kencing manis...semuanya sebab SUSU IBU...(jangannnnnla marah saya)

ok cuba bayangkan senario ini:-

susu  diantara ibu A dan ibu B lain, susu ibu A khas untuk anak A. satu susu formula untk SEMUAAA bb dkt mlysia ni.
kandungan nutrien susu ibu berubah ikut bulan....3 bulan tukar zatnya...4 bulan tukar zatnya..mcm magic..susu formula samaaaa je....dari lahir sampai entah berapa bulan... (TAK SAMA)

kalaulah kita makan makanan yg sama je rasanya setiap hari nak tak????

susu ibu berubah rasa..kita makan ayam anak kita rasa ayam..makan durian anak kita makan durian..susu formula macam tu jelah rasanyaaaaaa...... (TAK SAMA)

banyak lagi...terlalu banyak khasiatnya...sori tapi kita TAK BOLEH kata susu ibu dgn formula SAMA...

ok..ok yg bab saya kata jgn bezakan anak kita dgn anak orng lain..niatnya baik..sebab baka genetik kita tak sama kalau mak ayah kecik bb kecik lah....macam tulah lebih kurang...jangan risau sgt!

yg pasal tak boleh nak menyusu pulak....JANGANLAH cakap mcm tu. sebenarnya semua ibu boleh menyusu. kalau awal-awal dah pikir tak boleh memanglah tak boleh...SUDAHLAH kalau kita tak menyusu anak kita...next bb kita azam untuk beri susu ibu. yang lepas tu lepaslah....

Darah daging yang mengalir dalam badan anak kita adalah dari ibu...kan lain... MEMANG lain. percayalah. BB 1st i i tak bg susu ibu, yg 2nd n 3rd i bg. MEMANG ketara bezanya. depan mata i sendiri. tapi bukan mudah banyak pengorbanan i. MEMANG BERBALOI....Janganlah marah saya.... i pun nak share my ups and down as a mum with all of you....

mamapotter

Originally posted by ituini at 2-3-2007 08:15 PM
Alamak...adui...adui...adui

apa ni? apa ni? mengamuk sana sini. Saya pun mak jugak... untuk menjawab persoalaan saya memang keje..fulltime. im an architect...

Sorry le kalau tersinggung.. ...

mcm ni lah yer!! i know what you are trying to say...tapi message yg you sampai kan tu..as though we all kat sini semua..ignorant tak tau bende!!!! on top of that....kinda rude to me the way you put it!!! indirectly condemning those who cannot bf.

and yes your statement buat ramai org tersinggung....you cakap seolah2 we yg tak blh bf ni for whatsoever reasons...bcoz we have mentally set that we tak nak bf??? come on lah...what rubbish you are talking about??? so with your first baby..you have mentally set tak nak bf?????

lagi satu cik kak oiiiii...even formula..you dont stick to 1 until they grow up!!! u have to change at 6mths, 1 yr and so on...and each time they add more nutrition..improved immune system booster, bone growth developments..etc etc..tak masuk lagi AA DHA SA..etc. of course nothing compare to the natural source..but at times it works wonder and better!! so dont be so proud sangat since you can bf your bb...........

Sorry le kalau tersinggung... Kenapa tiba tiba MASUK BAB KALAU TAK BF NOT A GOOD MOTHER NI? Dari mana datang...i tak cakap pun....???? (confuse kejap) kenapa rasa macam tu pulak?????? (alahaaaaaaaiiii) Sian saya tak pasal-pasal kena.... no.you didnt say it..but I did!!! coz it seems to me that you think only good mothers bf their babies, as though we do not put any effort at all!!

MACAM nilah...itu bukan kata saya memang HASIL KAJIAN..bukal hasil kajian saya...<-- you can just put the hasil kajian w/o insulting others.

susu  diantara ibu A dan ibu B lain, susu ibu A khas untuk anak A. satu susu formula untk SEMUAAA bb dkt mlysia ni.
kandungan nutrien susu ibu berubah ikut bulan....3 bulan tukar zatnya...4 bulan tukar zatnya..mcm magic..susu formula samaaaa je....dari lahir sampai entah berapa bulan... (TAK SAMA) <-- dont read about the benefit of breast milk only...also read about formulas....then make the comparison before you voice out!!!

. i pun nak share my ups and down as a mum with all of you....<--- rase nyer you are contracdicting yourself coz you came in very proud with your statemetn and sounded like a 'kurang ajar' person to me!!!

mommy_arianna

Originally posted by ituini at 2-3-2007 08:15 PM
BB 1st i i tak bg susu ibu..

apsal pulak bb 1st x BF?? mentally dah set sebab x boleh BF ker????

mommy_arianna

Originally posted by mamapotter at 2-3-2007 11:01 PM



mcm ni lah yer!! i know what you are trying to say...tapi message yg you sampai kan tu..as though we all kat sini semua..ignorant tak tau bende!!!! on top of that....kinda rude to me the w ...

aku memang sokong statement ko mamapotter!!!

mamapotter

Originally posted by mommy_arianna at 2-3-2007 11:32 PM



aku memang sokong statement ko mamapotter!!!

thank you mommy_arianna!

embunpagi2309

cakap siang pandang2,ckp malam dgr2...

shinky_pinky

Salam semua,
bagus thread ni, banyak manafaat yang shinky dapat, alhamdulillah. tapi, makin lama makin hangat pulak...

shinky just nak kita sama-sama dinginkan keadaan. Jernihkan yang keruh. Harap semua dapat beri kerjasama. shinky tidak kata sesiapa pun salah, masing masing ada benarnya. Cuma shinky harap kita berforumlah secara aman dan harmoni. Harap beri kerjasama ya.

Thanks,
shinky

ituini

mamapotter dearest,

u are sooo marah..jangan melatah cepat sangat. It shows theres smthng wrong and youre trying to be deffensive for no reason...or is there?

listen...1st bb..memang i mentally tak nak bf..tak tahu,  ignorant...YES..thats why i counldnt.

i took a 3 day course of bfdng and AFTER that terbuka mata i....AFTER that course i vowed and promised myself NEVER to give my bb formula ever again...sebab i know the truth and facts...

yes...yes i know formula tukar LEPAS 6 bulan tapi yg 1 bulan 2 bulan mcm mana? Pls dont even TRY to compare breast milk and formula because U CANT!! its not possible!

as for the ADDED (yes added kononnya) AA, DHA and all....its been proven that bb does not absorb it as much.... sikit..nutrien tak cukup....its just llabels to make us THINK it is the same...fact is IT IS NOT. LISTEN im not condeming U OR mothers yg tak bg..i pun dulu x bg...i am condeming the FORMULA... formula milk yg sebenarnya tak sesuai untuk baby...like i said yg lepas tu LEPASlah....

Nama pun forum...so...here i am.. u ni mengamuk sakan.... yes i am proud to BF my bb!!! YES ALHAMDULILLAH!! i have given her the best gift in life!! but im not saying ur not a good mother..u yg tiba-tiba rasa.... im sure u are a great mom...

i can go on and on...but i wont... please CALM DOWN!!! PLEASE!! i too want to be a great mom...ambil yg jernih buang yg keruh...

i think every bb shud be given their mothrs milk..yes i do... BUT again...youre NOT a bad mom if u dont...its a matter of CHOICE! when u have thr facts..then make the choice...

melati-putih

adeh.....apo daaaaa......
ekecelli ituini..yang mostly forumner terasa sangat tue
you ckp seolah2 mother yang tak bf nie tak berusaha enuf nak bf anak dia..
tengok je lah baju merun tue..camner dia berusaha nak bf anak tapi still tak de rezeki...

ini pun namanya rezeki datang dari Allah juga...
the way you said.... walaupun indirectly.... buat ibu-ibu lain terasa...
ibu mana yang tak nak bf anak.... i dari first baby memang nak bf anak tapi tak boleh... my fault because lack of knowledge and cepat putus asa...
so my own fault...

saper la kita nak bandingkan susu ibu ngan susu formula....
tapi tok sah la berdegar2 sangat.... ibu-ibu yang membaca... tau fact yg you cuba sampaikan....
but the way you said it.... buatkan orang lain terasa..
thats the point....

seems..... kami nie yang ada medical issue ataupun yang dah try hard enuf...
macam bukan ibu yang baik....

so buang yang keruh ambil yang jernih..... kalau statement haku nie boleh bikin kontoroversi....what can i say....

mamapotter

Originally posted by ituini at 3-3-2007 01:20 PM
mamapotter dearest,

u are sooo marah..jangan melatah cepat sangat. It shows theres smthng wrong and youre trying to be deffensive for no reason...or is there?

listen...1st bb..memang i me ...

mamapotter dearest,

u are sooo marah..jangan melatah cepat sangat. It shows theres smthng wrong and youre trying to be deffensive for no reason...or is there? well...whatever!!!!! yes or not , it is none of your business!!!

listen...1st bb..memang i mentally tak nak bf..tak tahu,  ignorant...YES..thats why i counldnt.

i took a 3 day course of bfdng and AFTER that terbuka mata i....AFTER that course i vowed and promised myself NEVER to give my bb formula ever again...sebab i know the truth and facts... no wonder lah baru celik!!

yes...yes i know formula tukar LEPAS 6 bulan tapi yg 1 bulan 2 bulan mcm mana? Pls dont even TRY to compare breast milk and formula because U CANT!! its not possible!  got the point but bloody arrogant!! i guess yg masuk U or the famous scholars semua bf ek? need to do research on this...or else have to send their moms to be EDUCATED by u.

as for the ADDED (yes added kononnya) <-- it shows the mentality of u while writing it!!! this is not about fact anymore..it is about attitude!! AA, DHA and all....its been proven that bb does not absorb it as much.... sikit..nutrien tak cukup....its just llabels to make us THINK it is the same...fact is IT IS NOT. LISTEN ?????????????( you are not talking to a child...so dont command...say what you have to and get out of here!!) im not condeming U OR mothers yg tak bg..i pun dulu x bg...i am condeming the FORMULA... formula milk yg sebenarnya tak sesuai untuk baby...like i said yg lepas tu LEPASlah....

Nama pun forum...so...here i am.. u ni mengamuk sakan.... yes i am proud to BF my bb!!! YES ALHAMDULILLAH!! i have given her the best gift in life!! but im not saying ur not a good mother..u yg tiba-tiba rasa.... im sure u are a great mom...

i can go on and on...but i wont... please CALM DOWN!!! PLEASE!! i too want to be a great mom...ambil yg jernih buang yg keruh... i know where to put my limit!! you wanna rambling about this be my guess!!! wot a waste of time!!!!!!!!!!!

i think every bb shud be given their mothrs milk..yes i do... BUT again...youre NOT a bad mom if u dont...its a matter of CHOICE! when u have thr facts..then make the choice...it is not a matter of choices anymore...it is personal!!!!

why lah I bother to quote you from the beginning....betul2 buang mase cakap dgn org bongkak!!! and yes  you are!!!! well actually what comes around goes around!! so whatever lah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, let see besides the 'milk' issue what else we can do to raise our kids!!!!!!!!!!!, any takers?

LadyMarmalade

bace posting u kan buat darah i menyirap!!! terasa sgt2 walaupun alhamdulillah i boley bf my 2nd child till 6mos but my 1st child i mmg xboly nk bf her...btw she very healthy, active, jrg sakit...alhandulillah setakat nih xpernah lg masuk spital and she's doing well in school walaupun still in kinddy but we can see the potential in her......tp xpe lah since forumer yg lelain pun dh memberi dia org punye 2 million opinion (2 cent xboley pakai lah!!) yg lebih kurang dgn my 2mill opinion, so hope u get it lah...lain kali hati2 dlm memberi pendapat jgn 2 cent biar ler mahal sket...

Originally posted by ituini at 3-3-2007 01:20 PM
i took a 3 day course of bfdng and AFTER that terbuka mata i....AFTER that course i vowed and promised myself NEVER to give my bb formula ever again...sebab i know the truth and facts...

lers smpi amek course baru t'bukak hati....no wonder!!! mak2 yg xgi school & dok kat umah pun tau bout tht...u yg so call "im an architect" nk kena pergi course....baru nk celik mata

Originally posted by ituini at 28-2-2007 12:26 AM

lagi satu jangan bangga sangat kalau anak kita montel dan debab. lagi-lagi baby yg diberi susu formula (hehe anti sikit susu formula ni, tak baguih untuk baby) kalau baby boleh bercakap mesti dia mintak susu ibu kan?? dia tak leh nak bersuara... terpaksa telan susu formula yang tak cukup zat tu.

oh ye salam perkenalan.... tanya la i soalan tentang susu ibu...akan i bantu sedaya upaya.... ...

lagi 1 ituini klu iya pun nk promote susu ibu bukan gini cara nyer u nk promote, org klu nk menolong org lain kena berlembut bukan condemning coz sepatutnyer u sedar dlm dunia nih xde yg perfect sudah semesti nyer ade ibu2 yg xboleh nk bf for whatever reason

Originally posted by ituini at 3-3-2007 01:20 PM
listen...1st bb..memang i mentally tak nak bf..tak tahu,  ignorant...YES..thats why i counldnt.
...

btw i wonder what makes u so well educated mentally tak nak bf your baby? i yg sekolah pondok nih dpt tau jer peknen dah berkobar2 nk bf my baby...


[ Last edited by  LadyMarmalade at 3-3-2007 05:05 PM ]

LadyMarmalade

Originally posted by shinky_pinky at 3-3-2007 12:32 AM
Salam semua,
bagus thread ni, banyak manafaat yang shinky dapat, alhamdulillah. tapi, makin lama makin hangat pulak...

shinky just nak kita sama-sama dinginkan keadaan. Jernihkan yang  ...

Mmg betul kita pun xmo bertengkar...cuma xbest lah klu ade forumer yg arrogant & tunjuk lebih pandai dr yg lain nih....

shinky_pinky

ituini,
shinky dah beri peringatan kepada anda untuk bincang tentang breasfeed ni di thread yang telah sedia ada, anda boleh sambung perbincangan anda di sana ya. Sila beri kerjasama.:tq:

ni link nya:

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... &extra=page%3D1

harap maklum.

shinky_pinky

lady,
tulah kan, kita berforum secara aman, tapi ada juga segelintir yang cuba memporak perandakan keadaan.

Shinky akan pantau lagi, kalau keadaan semakin panas, shinky akan ambil tindakan.

You all, continue perbincangan secara aman ye. terima kasih.

ituini

shinky...thank you.. i will do just that. bagi sya reply  kali terakhir kepada mamapotter yang TERSANGATlah marah....

i sampai termimpi-mimpi mamapotter...tak sabar nak tengok reply dia...

1stly saya tak malu mengaku i dont knowabout bf before this...kita tak patut malu mengaku yang kita TAK TAHu. i didnt know in DETAIL.... i tau la bf tu bagus...and so on... tapi sekarang ni ALHAMDULILLAH berkat course tu i know all-there-is-to-know about formula and breastmilk... janganah hina orang yg tak tahu.... tak tahu boleh belajar... n i did just that...

to me u calling me bloody arrogantla... (walhal i tak ada setitik niat pun) shows your personality... kita semua mature adults...dah jadi mak.. tak patut mamapotter. Again i say sorry kalau i , menyinggung u... i am not perfect i know that... i pun teraa jugak dgn statement2 u tu...tai i cakap pd diri i sabarrr......