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Another muslim attempt in translating the Bible.....
This time around 1 John 4:3, let's see....
And every spirit that confesseth not
The proper deity and sonship of Christ, his true and real humanity, and his Messiahship; or any of his offices, doctrines, and ordinances; or his satisfaction and righteousness; or that peace, pardon, justification, life, and salvation, are by him; all which are meant by what follows,
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh:
this clause is left out in the Ethiopic version, and that without hurting the sense, since it is easily supplied from the preceding verse; and the Alexandrian copy, and the Vulgate Latin version, only read "Jesus": and the latter reads the whole thus, "and every spirit that dissolves Jesus"; that separates the two natures, human and divine, in him, and makes two persons of them; or denies either of them, either that he is truly God, or really man, or denies him to be Jesus, the Saviour; who, as much as in him lies, destroys his person, office, and work, and makes void his obedience, sufferings, and death:
is not of God;
neither he nor his doctrine are of God; his doctrine cannot come from God, being contrary to the word of God; and he himself is neither born of God, nor on his side.
And this is that [spirit] of antichrist:
who is against Christ, or opposes himself to him; as he who denies his sonship, his deity, his humanity, his offices, and his grace, manifestly does; every doctrine that is calculated against these truths is the spirit and doctrine of antichrist:
whereof you have heard that it should come, and even now already is
it the world;
in the false teachers, the forerunners of antichrist; ....aka Muhammad
But the poor old student@sam1528 of antichrist@muhammad is refering the Bible to that satanic verse of Quran3:45.....toilet paper is much more trustworthy..
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Islam cannot survive if argued with reason.
I like this phrase !
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What is the problem here?
Muslims don't deny God and Jesus. 'Son' does not mean God. Can you show me where in the bible Jesus state that 'Son of God' to be God?
LOL , Jesus was a Torah observant Israelite not some Hellenistic Pagan God. LOL. If you regard ''Son' to be God then you are the liar and the antichrist
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Son of God has no beginning or end (Heb. 7:3)
Hebrew 7:3 clearly says that Son of God is God himself, no beginning or end !
The Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)
Believing in the Son of God so that you may have eternal life (1 John 5:13) |
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Edited by sam1528 at 25-3-2015 04:55 PM
wkk5159 replied at 25-3-2015 11:03 AM
Another muslim attempt in translating the Bible.....
This time around 1 John 4:3, let's see....
And every spirit that confesseth not
The proper deity and sonship of Christ, his true and real humanity, and his Messiahship; or any of his offices, doctrines, and ordinances; or his satisfaction and righteousness; or that peace, pardon, justification, life, and salvation, are by him; all which are meant by what follows,
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh:
this clause is left out in the Ethiopic version, and that without hurting the sense, since it is easily supplied from the preceding verse; and the Alexandrian copy, and the Vulgate Latin version, only read "Jesus": and the latter reads the whole thus, "and every spirit that dissolves Jesus"; that separates the two natures, human and divine, in him, and makes two persons of them; or denies either of them, either that he is truly God, or really man, or denies him to be Jesus, the Saviour; who, as much as in him lies, destroys his person, office, and work, and makes void his obedience, sufferings, and death:
is not of God;
neither he nor his doctrine are of God; his doctrine cannot come from God, being contrary to the word of God; and he himself is neither born of God, nor on his side.
And this is that [spirit] of antichrist:
who is against Christ, or opposes himself to him; as he who denies his sonship, his deity, his humanity, his offices, and his grace, manifestly does; every doctrine that is calculated against these truths is the spirit and doctrine of antichrist:
whereof you have heard that it should come, and even now already is
it the world;
in the false teachers, the forerunners of antichrist; ....aka Muhammad
But the poor old student@sam1528 of antichrist@muhammad is refering the Bible to that satanic verse of Quran3:45.....toilet paper is much more trustworthy..
LOL , this is again the case Trinitrians reading into the bible and not reading the bible.
Can you explain where in the bible Jesus had 2 natures? Which is the stronger nature , God or human? 1kings8:27 (NIV)
“But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!
What makes you think the human nature can co exist with God nature per the above verse?
Ha ha , you mean 'Son of God' means God? Therefore
- Adam is God , luk3:38 (NIV)
38 the son of Enosh , the son of Seth, the son of Adam , the son of God.
- David is God , Psm89:26-27 (NIV)
26 He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’
27 And I will appoint him to be my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth.
- Israel is God , exo4:22 (NIV)
22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son,
Waaah!! So many Gods that you now need to worship.
Excerpt from you :
And this is that [spirit] of antichrist:
who is against Christ, or opposes himself to him; as he who denies his sonship, his deity,....
1joh4:2-3
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
<<Can you now pinpoint where in 1joh4:2-3 that states about the deity of Jesus? It clearly states from God not God.>>
<<Ha ha , don't tell me , Trinitrians like you believe that 'from God' = 'God'>>
This is what we call reading into the bible. The Quran is right. Its all about assumptions and conjectures
Addendum :
Ooops I made a mistake in verse 2. It is about those who acknowledge Jesus came in the flesh (meaning Jesus being a human being) are the ones who are not the antichrist ..... this means trinitarians like you are not included. The verse does not state Jesus came in the flesh and he is also God
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Ha ha , you are in delusion.
So far you have come up short in reasoning.
LOL , th you 'Son of God' = 'God' but no where in the bible state of such
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Futile attempts by sunni salafist muslim sam1528 in denying the Son of God...
Son of God has no beginning or end (Heb. 7:3)
Hebrew 7:3 clearly says that Son of God is God himself, no beginning or end !
The Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)
Believing in the Son of God so that you may have eternal life (1 John 5:13)
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Edited by sam1528 at 25-3-2015 01:41 PM
wkk5159 replied at 25-3-2015 01:14 PM
Son of God has no beginning or end (Heb. 7:3)
Hebrew 7:3 clearly says that Son of God is God himself, no beginning or end !
The Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)
Believing in the Son of God so that you may have eternal life (1 John 5:13)
LOL , aiyah tambi ... heb7:3 is about Melchizedek which the bible state in verse 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
If you believe that Jesus the 'Son of God' is God , then Melchizedek is a bigger God than Jesus. Jesus had a mother but Melchizedek was / is without father / mother.
Oops , your argument has backfired on you.
A 'Son of God' being a holy man or prophet can destroy the works of the devil. It is just leading people to righteousness.
LOL , you don't even know what is the biblical definition of 'eternal life'. It is not living forever in paradise per your understanding. Joh17:3 (NIV) gives us the biblical definition of eternal life :
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Eternal life per the definition in joh7:3 is to testify that there is only ONE God and Jesus was / is his messenger.
Ha ha ..... something like the Shahadah that muslims testify.
This is very basic yet you got it horribly wrong. Like I say ..... you better go back to sunday school. Take small steps .... ha ha
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I wish i could say you were wrong.But sadly i am sure you are not.
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Post time 25-3-2015 02:33 PM
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Usual pattern of this sissy ustazy, tambi lah, haha lah when cornered and desperate....
See the above reply, nothing more can be expected except heap of rubbish.
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wkk5159 replied at 25-3-2015 02:33 PM
Usual pattern of this sissy ustazy, tambi lah, haha lah when cornered and desperate....
See the above reply, nothing more can be expected except heap of rubbish.
This is because you are one laughable tambi
Ha ha , can you not counter with reason or you cannot reason at all? The verses are pretty clear. However you have this nasty habit of reading into the bible.
LOL , can you now pinpoint where in the bible that 'Son of God' = 'God'?
The Quran is correct , your faith is based on assumptions or conjecture.
This has been a good laugh for me ....
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The Quran is correct , your faith is based on assumptions or conjecture......
Biggest joke in the universe, little wonder why he is shouting tambi here and there....
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Good to know that you are able to discern the truth Jacko....
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wkk5159 replied at 26-3-2015 09:30 AM
The Quran is correct , your faith is based on assumptions or conjecture......
Biggest joke in the universe, little wonder why he is shouting tambi here and there....
Ha ha , isn't it true that your faith is based on conjecture per the claim of the Quran?
Until now you cannot answer the following based on the bible
(1) Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross
(2) Jesus in his own words admitted to die for your sins
LOL , the joke is on you but you are just too blur to recognise this fact.
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This is what i call imbecility at it's highest order, can't even differentiate what is cursing and making a fool out of himself...
No wonder none of his fellow muslim brethrens would lend a helping hand when he is badly humiliated and to make the matter from bad to worse, his fellow brethren Jacko even convince that i am right.... |
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Edited by sam1528 at 28-3-2015 12:46 PM
wkk5159 replied at 28-3-2015 12:23 PM
his is what i call imbecility at it's highest order, can't even differentiate what is cursing and making a fool out of himself...
No wonder none of his fellow muslim brethrens would lend a helping hand when he is badly humiliated and to make the matter from bad to worse, his fellow brethren Jacko even convince that i am right....
LOL , curses and more curses from you. Issit because you cannot answer simple questions regarding your faith?
You claim that the Quran is wrong regarding the death of Jesus and him dying for your sins. Ok then ,
(1) Where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?
(2) Where in the bible Jesus in his own words admitted to die for your sins?
So far no answers from you but just angry diatribe and you trying your best to run from the questions. Can I confirm that you have no answers thus confirming the fact that your faith is based on an assumption and / or conjecture? If yes then the Quran is right.
Why are you so desperately looking for allies? Are you not capable to be independent? Ha ha , so much for your claim of being 'a true professional and an expert in your own field' .....
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Does this look like angry diatribe to you all ???  |
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This is because you have been mocked for being one angry christian who cannot answer anything with regards your faith and now you are trying to laugh yourself out of the corner you painted yourself into. Ha ha .... the truth isn't it?
Back to the issue on hand :
You claim that the Quran is wrong regarding the death of Jesus and him dying for your sins. Ok then ,
(1) Where in the bible that Jesus confirmed to have died on the cross?
(2) Where in the bible Jesus in his own words admitted to die for your sins?
Why so scared to answer? Your fear of answering confirms the claim of the Quran that your trinitarian faith is just an assumption and / or conjecture.
Yes? What say you ..... LOL
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Post time 25-3-2015 12:57 PM
