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adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
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zamkumis posted on 12-9-2014 09:28 AM 
Jihad adalah satu perkataan yang memang ada dalam Quran, sememangnya jihad ini telah ada sejak bermu ... Untuk memahami perkara ini non muslim perlu melihat kenyataan dari dua pihak, seperti dalam bulan lepas akhbar USA ada membuat tuduhan bahawa Malaysia ada melatih pejuang Hamas. Perkara ini dinafikan oleh Malaysia...
abis kenapa ramai muslims tempatan sanggup ke syaria, pakstan , afhan ? di mana mereka dpt lathihan? siapa yg menghasut mereka ini di malaysia supaya mati syahid??? contoh artikel di atas....dia belajar di sekolah agama dan pondok.. mungki dia di hasut sama ada di pondok atau tempat lain di malaysia sebelum berlepas ke syaria...
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sam1528 posted on 12-9-2014 12:18 AM
What do you mean no answer? Your post #8 bit part state as follows :
Hillary Clinton answered. ... sam1528 posted on 12-9-2014 12:18 AM 
What do you mean no answer? Your post #8 bit part state as follows :
Hillary Clinton answered. ...
your fact base bullshit as this outdated which can be fullly doubt...we need fact that happening at present time from daily , weekly or monthly done by muslims do make the world as islamic in form of evil acts
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Truth.8 posted on 13-9-2014 10:52 AM
your fact base bullshit as this outdated which can be fullly doubt...we need fact that happening at present time from daily , weekly or monthly done by muslims do make the world as islamic in form of evil acts
LOL , oudated and bullshit? This again is evidence that you only believe what you force yourself to believe.
Are you now saying that Hillary Clinton's admission is bullshit? Evil acts are actions of people like you who support the imperialism of the USA and its partner Israel. If tomorrow the USA leaves the Mid East , the so called terrorism would immediately stop.
What is happening is one thing. The more important issue is WHY it is happening. This is where you don't even have a clue.
LOL , this shows that you don't have any clue as to what is happening outside your own home. Hillary Clinton (which you call bullshit) was the USA Secretary of State whereas you are just a small time business owner. I would think she has access to a lot more information of teh USA foreign policy rather than you.
You still have not answered me : What is your problem with the , say Malaysians , who goes to Syria to fight against the Assad regime?
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sam1528 posted on 13-9-2014 11:43 AM
LOL , oudated and bullshit? This again is evidence that you only believe what you force yourself t ...
the fact remaind that muslims doing evil in the name of jihad to make the world islamic which also agreed by our PM
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Hilitary clinton has her own view....and her view is not factual rather bull shit...
open you eyes and see the world and news...it is MUSLIMS...u are in denial
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sam1528 posted on 13-9-2014 11:43 AM
LOL , oudated and bullshit? This again is evidence that you only believe what you force yourself t ...
sam1528 posted on13-9-2014 11:43 AM
You still have not answered me :What is your problem with the , say Malaysians , who goes to Syria to fightagainst the Assad regime?
firstly he should ask : what is the purpose going there? by dying justllike that , going change things better ? what is the motif for suchacts?
what benefits does it bring for him doing such acts? does the quransays such? why need to go there and die syahid??? whywhy why?
we have so many problem here...one example the political issue...rather thangoing over there..it will wise things to look here and join certainpolitical party solve our country issue....that would good thing thangoing over there to do foolish thing |
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by zamkumis
Lupakanlah...kalau aku nak cerita.. nanti banyak pula komen kau, sampai aku terpaksa nak bawa bukti dari wiki, article, youtube, news, website semua baru kau nak percaya(dah macam buat tesis pula), yang senang biar ajalah kau tak faham....
Mestilah setiap benda yg keluar dari mulut seseorang itu mesti disertai dgn bukti yg kukuh. Itu common sense lah.
Kamu orang Islam fikir kamu itu siapa? Malaikat? Semua yg kamu cakap itu benar belaka dan kami kena angguk kepala dan terima je bulat2?  |
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Truth.8 posted on 13-9-2014 04:48 PM
the fact remaind that muslims doing evil in the name of jihad to make the world islamic which also agreed by our PM
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Hilitary clinton has her own view....and her view is not factual rather bull shit...
open you eyes and see the world and news...it is MUSLIMS...u are in denial
What a silly statement from you. Doing evil in the name of Jihad is not Islamic and this has been pointed out by so many scholars.
Hillary Clinton statement was made in her capacity being the State Secretary at that time. That makes it the government of USA official admission. The one who is in denial is you because you do not have any facts nor evidence in your support. All you have is unlearned opinion. We deal in facts not speculation like you and 'meenachi sepiroth' always indulge in.
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Truth.8 posted on 13-9-2014 05:32 PM
firstly he should ask : what is the purpose going there? by dying justllike that , going change things better ? what is the motif for suchacts?
what benefits does it bring for him doing such acts? does the quransays such? why need to go there and die syahid??? whywhy why?
we have so many problem here...one example the political issue...rather thangoing over there..it will wise things to look here and join certainpolitical party solve our country issue....that would good thing thangoing over there to do foolish thing
The purpose of them fighting there is against the oppressive regime of Assad. This regime is willing to kill its own citizens to cling on to power. At least they are doing something about it. Live or die , that is in the hands of Allah. The main issue here , they have tried in their best capacity to do something about it. In the day of judgement , the question that would be asked would be - have you tried doing something? Allah won't ask
- why do you go and die ;or
- why fight a losing battle ;or
- why leave your family behind
LOL , what makes you think these people did not contribute anything to any political parties here? You are just bumbling left and right without any idea of what is going on.
The question again : What is your problem with the , say Malaysians , who goes to Syria to fight against the Assad regime?
You don't even have a clue of your own argument.
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sam1528 posted on 13-9-2014 11:23 PM
The purpose of them fighting there is against the oppressive regime of Assad. This regime is willi ... The purpose of them fighting there is against the oppressiveregime of Assad. This regime is willing to kill its own citizens to cling on topower. At least they are doing something about it. Live or die , that is in thehands of Allah. The main issue here , they have tried in their best capacity todo something about it. In the day of judgement , the question that would beasked would be - have you tried doing something? Allah won't ask
- why do you go and die ;or
- why fight a losing battle ;or
- why leave your family behind So it more internal political issue . why need Malaysian toget involve? In the day of judgment we not sure what the question like but Godwould be very please if one know how 2 appreciate life and continue progressby helping in positive directions…that is the purpose life was created here nottaking life on own by claiming it honour in the name of allah.
LOL , what makes you think these people did not contribute anything to anypolitical parties here? You are just bumbling left and right without any ideaof what is going on.
If these Malaysian guy goes to middle east to killed himselfas part of jihad.....what he have done to contribute here in Malaysia? This peopleshas been brain wash… what a pity to lost a life like that....is consider brain wash by certain peoples
The question again : What is your problem with the , say Malaysians , who goesto Syria to fight against the Assad regime?
You don't even have a clue of your own argument.
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sam1528 posted on 13-9-2014 11:12 PM
What a silly statement from you. Doing evil in the name of Jihad is not Islamic and this has been ... What a silly statement from you. Doing evil in the name ofJihad is not Islamic and this has been pointed out by so many scholars.
That what you and rest of muslims sayings….but the act bedone all the time...
Hillary Clinton statement was made in her capacity being the State Secretary atthat time. That makes it the government of USA official admission. The one whois in denial is you because you do not have any facts nor evidence in yoursupport. All you have is unlearned opinion. We deal in facts not speculationlike you and 'meenachi sepiroth' always indulge in.
..it was a history…not applicable at the present time…I takingabout present time not history…present time that muslims performing act ofviolent and terrorist…
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RE: adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 11:05 AM
So it more internal political issue . why need Malaysian toget involve? In the day of judgment we ...
LOL , now its political issue? This is evidence that you don't know what is going on. What is the political issue when the citizens have been threatened with genocide by their leader? The problem lies with the leadership. Why shouldn't a muslim get involved in helping another muslim?
The person didn't go there to die. He went there to help fight but in the same time accept the chance that he can be killed. Two different things here. Too bad , you don't understand the difference of going somewhere to die against going somewhere to contribute but accept the fact that one might be killed in the process. Your intelligence is not there to understand the big difference between the two.
You don't know what God is going to ask in the day of judgement? This is evidence that Christianity is not a complete religion. God would inform you what would be asked as then it would serve being a guideline to how you live your life.
If these Malaysian guy goes to middle east to killed himselfas part of jihad.....what he have done to contribute here in Malaysia? This peopleshas been brain wash… what a pity to lost a life like that....is consider brain wash by certain peoples
Do you realise just how silly and dumb your argument is? These folks go there to help fight against a brutal regime. They didn't go there wanting to be killed. They go there to help but they accept the fact that there is a chance they would be killed in the process. Big difference between the two which I think you could not understand anyway. What makes you think these folks didn't contribute to Malaysia? They could hav econtributed more that you.
LOL now its brainwashed? I can say you are brainwashed also. Jesus did not proclaim to be God in the bible but you 'die die' claim so. This is brain washing.
Than why not you or send your son to fight in Syria andlater u receive news you son already dead in war..are you happy to hear that??
Of course the family would be sad. However it has been their choice to do so. One need to respect their choice. They have been given education to think for themselves , they made their choice.
BTW , if someone wants to rape your mother or sister , would you
- stand by and say , God loves you and I forgive you ; or
- actively defend your mother or sister knowing you would be hurt or even be killed in the process
Lets see if you are breve enough to answer.
LOL , so far nothing fromyou except blabbering about Malaysians and Syrians. This shows that you do not have a clue of what is happening.
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RE: adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 11:09 AM
That what you and rest of muslims sayings….but the act bedone all the time...
Such acts can go on but it does not make it Islamic. What is actually your issue?
..it was a history…not applicable at the present time…I takingabout present time not history…present time that muslims performing act ofviolent and terrorist…
This would continue to happen again and again as the world is being dictated by the foreign policy of the USA.
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sam1528 posted on 14-9-2014 01:10 PM
LOL , now its political issue? This is evidence that you don't know what is going on. What is the ... LOL , now its political issue?This is evidence that you don't know what is going on. What is the politicalissue when the citizens have been threatened with genocide by their leader? Theproblem lies with the leadership. Why shouldn't a muslim get involved inhelping another muslim? I don’t care or less whathappening in world ...I only watch in news in TV, see humans are getting greed,stupid and etc by not valuing their life... Life is so wonderful when one can appreciate it ....I have vision andgoal improve myself and contributinggood to this country rather going to middle east to bomb myself...this kind act of is stupid and brainless... Why musims in here which is mostly the Malays...tryingto act like hero to help the middle east? Where is the OIC? That i says, the Malaysare easily can be brain wash...this truth base on my experience....Malay easilyget ‘hasut’ Where is Chinese and Indian muslims?Because they are smart....no time for this kind of rubbish...they more interested making profitsand balance their spirituality...
Only Malays are target to do thisjob...and young ...what a pity...
The person didn't go there to die. He went there to help fight but in the sametime accept the chance that he can be killed. Two different things here. Toobad , you don't understand the difference of going somewhere todie against going somewhere to contribute but accept the fact thatone might be killed in the process. Your intelligence is not there tounderstand the big difference between the two.
Like I said, he don’t need to gothere....he can do a solat hajat here with groups of muslims...why cannot isit? Your intelligence is not here to understand the big difference
I don’t have problem with myfaith because my faith did not says you die get houris and dreaming of sensualparadise...
Do you realise just how silly anddumb your argument is? These folks go there to help fight against a brutalregime. They didn't go there wanting to be killed. They go there to help butthey accept the fact that there is a chance they would be killed in theprocess. Big difference between the two which I think you could not understandanyway. What makes you think these folks didn't contribute to Malaysia? Theycould hav econtributed more that you.
Well if there is a brutalregime....ask the OIC to get involved .....why need to play hero??In Malaysia wefacing lot of slanders, political issue, robbery, bribe and etc....it will bebetter solve this issue in our countrythan going to other country to solve...this is stupid and silly.. 
LOL now its brainwashed? I can say you are brainwashed also. Jesus did notproclaim to be God in the bible but you 'die die' claim so. This is brainwashing.
Well, I am not taking aboutJesus. The Pak Arabs....are good with words...the Malays easily get melt .....only those with strong minded ....noteasily get brain wash...that is the fact.. Of course the family would be sad. However it has been their choice to do so.One need to respect their choice. They have been given education to think forthemselves , they made their choice.
Is not choice rather beenmisguided. If the parents would educate the child what is good and bad, hewould not do such foolish things. He would grow up having good life . i knowthis peoples going there to help are sincerebut sad it been misguided in wrong way.
BTW , if someone wants to rape your mother or sister , would you
- stand by and say , God loves you and I forgive you ; or
- actively defend your mother or sister knowing you would be hurt or even bekilled in the process
Lets see if you are breve enough to answer.
We have rules and law in thiscountry, let the law take it action. Why i need to take parang or bomb to kill thatperson... if i does that...it call revenge....revenge is not good...itcultivate evil in us....what i seemuslims doing now is act of revenge....is bad...it evil....not getting sensual paradis...sorry wrong path...
LOL , so far nothing fromyou except blabbering about Malaysians and Syrians.This shows that you do not have a clue of what is happening.
Well, I like said...I am not bother what is happening in other world....Im more interested myself to work hard, have good life, do good thing to peoples,positive ...at least when I depart this world...I have accumulate positive than bad.. u know what i mean??
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sam1528 posted on 14-9-2014 01:18 PM
Such acts can go on but it does not make it Islamic. What is actually your issue?
This again is ... Such acts can go on but it does not make it Islamic. What is actually yourissue?
But is done by muslims whopainted the islam in such acts...that is the fact...either something wrong theteaching of islam, quran , Muhammad or the followers.... This again is evidence that youcannot even think more than 2 steps ahead of you. When something has beencreated , per Hillary Clinton's admission , what you get now are the actions ofthe created entity. The USA have created the terrorist organization. Theirpresence and action is a direct consequence of the training and funding givento them by the USA. We need to go back to the source to fix this problem andthe source is the Foreign Policy of the USA.
What a silly view...USA createdterrorist organisation ? Tell to US they shit on your face... USA tryingto combat the terrorist act not createdterrorist organisation...no proof .....is misguided and void... This would continue to happen again and again as the world is being dictated bythe foreign policy of the USA.
I rather trust the USA than Arabs...
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RE: adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 03:00 PM
I don’t care or less whathappening in world ...I only watch in news in TV, see humans are getting greed,stupid and etc by not valuing their life... Life is so wonderful when one can appreciate it ....I have vision andgoal improve myself and contributinggood to this country rather going to middle east to bomb myself...this kind act of is stupid and brainless... Why musims in here which is mostly the Malays...tryingto act like hero to help the middle east? Where is the OIC? That i says, the Malaysare easily can be brain wash...this truth base on my experience....Malay easilyget ‘hasut’ Where is Chinese and Indian muslims?Because they are smart....no time for this kind of rubbish...they more interested making profitsand balance their spirituality...
Only Malays are target to do thisjob...and young ...what a pity...
If you don't care less to what is happening around the world , then you are not in any position to judge others by their actions. You are just one selfish person. You are not the only one who wants to improve on himself. This is a very silly and naive argument. This shows that you are just a frog in a well or 'katak bawah tempurung'.
The muslims who fight in Syria appreciate life. That is why they want to help to end the oppressive regime. Their sacrifice is a lot more than you who just sit in front of the television being selfish but judge others. You are a hypocrite then. LOL , Malays are easily 'hasut'? This is a ass of an argument. What about the prople of Hindraf making waves because their leader tells them to do so? Easily 'hasut' , that is what I say.
LOL , the ones in Syria against Assad regime are muslims from all nationalities (including Indians and Chinese). LOL , profit and balance their spirituality? What is the so called spirituality if you just turn a blind eye to the sufferings of others. You don't even have a clue of what is spirituality.
Like I said, he don’t need to gothere....he can do a solat hajat here with groups of muslims...why cannot isit? Your intelligence is not here to understand the big difference
I don’t have problem with myfaith because my faith did not says you die get houris and dreaming of sensualparadise...
Solat hajat is asking for divine interference. There is also another aspect of making one action count. There is a big difference here in which you don't even have the intelligence to understand.
I am not asking for the problem in your faith. I am asking where in the bible that Jesus proclaim to be God? Until now you cannot show such to me, yet you 'die die' believe so. This is what you call brain washing. I am ok with muslims get houris in paradise. However you know why Christians like you are jealous? It is because in the Christian version of heaven everyone is like Jesus , ie. having a beard and a 'sword'. Issit a gay paradise? The bible reference : 1John3:2).
Well if there is a brutalregime....ask the OIC to get involved .....why need to play hero??In Malaysia wefacing lot of slanders, political issue, robbery, bribe and etc....it will bebetter solve this issue in our countrythan going to other country to solve...this is stupid and silly..
If the OIC doesn't want to get involved due to political constraints , why should the muslims wait for them? There is no good reason to do so. This is not playing hero. This is doing what a person think is right. Slander , bribery etc would stop if people like you stop doing such things. Like you wanting a licence for your business , you are willing to fork out a bribe to get it. In other words you are just a hypocrite.
Well, I am not taking aboutJesus. The Pak Arabs....are good with words...the Malays easily get melt .....only those with strong minded ....noteasily get brain wash...that is the fact..
LOL , I am stating an example that you have been brainwashed into thinking that Jesus is God whereas in the bible there is no verse that state such. This is brainwashing. Why are you denying it? You are the one talking about brainwashing.
Is not choice rather beenmisguided. If the parents would educate the child what is good and bad, hewould not do such foolish things. He would grow up having good life . i knowthis peoples going there to help are sincerebut sad it been misguided in wrong way.
Why is it misguided choice? They want to help out the oppressed muslims and have accepted the odds that they might be killed while at it. These people are not selfish like you. This is the problem with you. You blabber about spirituality but you are bounded by the worldly materialism. Again you are a hypocrite.
We have rules and law in thiscountry, let the law take it action. Why i need to take parang or bomb to kill thatperson... if i does that...it call revenge....revenge is not good...itcultivate evil in us....what i seemuslims doing now is act of revenge....is bad...it evil....not getting sensual paradis...sorry wrong path...
In other words , you would let the person rape your mother or sister while you just say that there is law in this country. Hypothetically , you had the chance to prevent the rape of your mother or sister but you let it happen because you are just a coward or a selfish person or both by refusing to offer them any protection. We are not talking about revenge. That is after the fact. We are talking about actively doing something to prevent , say rape happening to your mother or sister. Therefore you are a coward or selfish person or a selfish coward.
Well, I like said...I am not bother what is happening in other world....Im more interested myself to work hard, have good life, do good thing to peoples,positive ...at least when I depart this world...I have accumulate positive than bad.. u know what i mean??
If you are not bothered , then you are not in any position to judge others. You are just an ignorant selfish person who is bound to the material world. You are also a hypocrite as you keep on harping about spirituality. You don't even know what it means.
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RE: adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 03:08 PM
But is done by muslims whopainted the islam in such acts...that is the fact...either something ...
LOL , you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. First you say done by muslims who painted Islam by such acts then something wrong with the teaching of Islam. Which one issit?
If you say the teaching of Islam , then you have a problem because you have no evidence. The only evidence you have is a manufactured or fabricated evidence of coming up with your own verse of the quran ;
http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum. ... page%3D1&page=3
Per your post #74 you stated :
Blood, blood, destruction, destruction – ‘We will, without doubt, help our messengers and those who believe, (both) in this world's life and on the Day when the Witnesses will stand forth (Q: 40.51)
However as Bro Mashimarui pointed out , the actual verse
Indeed, We will support Our messengers and those who believe during the life of this world and on the Day when the witnesses will stand
You have been caught lying. Are you not ashamed?
What a silly view...USA createdterrorist organisation ? Tell to US they shit on your face...
USA tryingto combat the terrorist act not createdterrorist organisation...no proof .....is misguided and void...
I rather trust the USA than Arabs...
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sam1528 posted on 14-9-2014 05:01 PM
If you don't care less to what is happening around the world , then you are not in any position to ... If you don't care less to what ishappening around the world , then you are not in any position to judge othersby their actions. You are just one selfish person. You are not the only one whowants to improve on himself. This is a very silly and naive argument. Thisshows that you are just a frog in a well or 'katak bawah tempurung'.
Is not self fish rather is smartway of living. We are bless here why we need to go there in syaria ....firstly,is their business to handle. This not about brotherhood issue. If arabs are consider brotherhood why we couldsee them helping in recent plane crashed? Who is self fish here? They seek malay in this country to do evil act in nameof religion but when we need help...we could not sense them here...like i said, the arabs are not to be trusted...
The muslims who fight in Syria appreciate life. That is why they want to helpto end the oppressive regime. Their sacrifice is a lot more than you who justsit in front of the television being selfish but judge others. You are ahypocrite then. LOL , Malays are easily 'hasut'? This is a ass of an argument.What about the prople of Hindraf making waves because their leader tells themto do so? Easily 'hasut' , that is what I say.
You wrong. Even in paksitan bloodshed always happend. That is the islam world. They will killed and flight amongthemselves all the time for politicalissue and others. They use the Malays to brain wash because the mamak and Chinese muslims are smart peoples and donot get involved with it...
LOL , the ones in Syria against Assad regime are muslims from all nationalities(including Indians and Chinese). LOL , profit and balance their spirituality?What is the so called spirituality if you just turn a blind eye to thesufferings of others. You don't even have a clue of what is spirituality.
I never see any Indian nations nor Chinese nations...all i see Indonesia malay , Malaysia malay and arabs...because this peopleseasy target to brain wash... Solat hajat is asking for divineinterference. There is also another aspect of making one action count. There isa big difference here in which you don't even have the intelligence tounderstand.
...that because such move done bycertain muslims is barbaric...that why God do not giving any blessing ratherblood over there...it totally evil acts.
I am not asking for the problem in your faith. I am asking where in the biblethat Jesus proclaim to be God? Until now you cannot show such to me, yet you'die die' believe so. This is what you call brain washing. I am ok with muslimsget houris in paradise. However you know why Christians like you are jealous?It is because in the Christian version of heaven everyone is like Jesus , ie.having a beard and a 'sword'. Issit a gay paradise? The bible reference :1John3:2).
You can create special topic onJesus...here we talking about muslims killing themselves...
If the OIC doesn't want to get involved due to political constraints , whyshould the muslims wait for them? There is no good reason to do so. This is notplaying hero. This is doing what a person think is right. Slander , bribery etcwould stop if people like you stop doing such things. Like you wanting alicence for your business , you are willing to fork out a bribe to get it. Inother words you are just a hypocrite.
For fanatic peoples like u thinkis right to die in such shameful manner.I do not fork out to bribe for anything . I have my way to handle in decent way.
LOL , I am stating an example that you have been brainwashed into thinking thatJesus is God whereas in the bible there is no verse that state such. This isbrainwashing. Why are you denying it? You are the one talking aboutbrainwashing.
Faith in Bible and dying forreligion is two different issue. The Malays mostly are target for thissituation are brain wash by the Pak arab...hence they are pak turut.. Why is it misguided choice? They want to help out the oppressed muslims andhave accepted the odds that they might be killed while at it. These people arenot selfish like you. This is the problem with you. You blabber aboutspirituality but you are bounded by the worldly materialism. Again you are ahypocrite.
The world condemn such actinclude Malaysia. You view it ok. Than youconsider a terrorist who support such barbaric act...you pure evil and fanatic..
In other words , you would let the person rape your mother or sister while youjust say that there is law in this country. Hypothetically , you had the chanceto prevent the rape of your mother or sister but you let it happen because youare just a coward or a selfish person or both by refusing to offer them anyprotection. We are not talking about revenge. That is after the fact. We aretalking about actively doing something to prevent , say rape happening to yourmother or sister. Therefore you are a coward or selfish person or a selfishcoward.
That kind situation happen, thani would protect because is wrong but togo Syria trying killing it in name ofislam is barbaric....firstly, we not sure such situation is happen due politicalor some other agenda....
If you are not bothered , then you are not in any position to judge others. Youare just an ignorant selfish person who is bound to the material world. You arealso a hypocrite as you keep on harping about spirituality. You don't even knowwhat it means.
Is not material ...is survival..whyone need bound like slave and reject so many opportunity . when we reject opportunityto help ourselves to become wealth we become weak and easily bullied. This what happening to muslim world...theyreject and easily can be bullied. Hence they get anger and take law into theyown hand like vengeful souls.
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sam1528 posted on 14-9-2014 05:17 PM
LOL , you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. First you say done by muslims who paint ... OL , youjust contradicted yourself in the same sentence. First you say done by muslimswho painted Islam by such acts then something wrong with the teaching of Islam.Which one issit?
If you say the teaching of Islam , then you have a problem because you have noevidence. The only evidence you have is a manufactured or fabricated evidenceof coming up with your own verse of the quran ;
http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum. ...page%3D1&page Is not myown word but a link provide author of such verses...so u check with the authorwho wrote such.
Per your post #74 you stated : Blood, blood, destruction,destruction – ‘We will, without doubt, help our messengers and those whobelieve, (both) in this world's life and on the Day when the Witnesses willstand forth (Q: 40.51)
Is not myown word but a link provide author of such verses...so u check with the authorwho wrote such. So is your duty to contact the author of the link to clarify .I have no issue. If such word is wrongly written, than the author responsible toamend it. When I google it, than I paste it...you call me lying for such?
However as Bro Mashimarui pointed out , the actual verse
Indeed, We will support Ourmessengers and those who believe during the life of this world and on the Daywhen the witnesses will stand
You have been caught lying. Are you not ashamed?
Me lying? I just copy and pasteit. So am i lying? U judge yourself. Anyway we not talking about this issuehere. Is already settle in that topic that it was wrong written by the authorof the link. It was the admission of HillaryClinton in her capacity of Secretary of State. It is government admission that theUSA actually created , trained and funded these terrorist. It is very clear. Itis their problem when their creation turned against them. They should not blameothers. However you bing a 'village simpleton' , you are brain washed that theUSA is all good and peachy despite such admission.
There is no proof any evidences. That kind of link probably createdby some muslims to lie... Then good luck to you because tothe americans , you are just an insignificant dark skinned person whom theythink is less than human. They would never think twice if you are justcollateral damage.
What does the arabshave contribute to me? I have learned lot from the Bible reading peoples in mybusiness, computer , new tech and etc ...hence , I move on in good direction. Why i needto trust the arabs??? Sorry, I am notstupid to get brain wash.
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RE: adakah ajaran islam mendorong muslim mati syahid?
Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 08:58 PM
Is not self fish rather is smartway of living. We are bless here why we need to go there in syaria ....firstly,is their business to handle. This not about brotherhood issue. If arabs are consider brotherhood why we couldsee them helping in recent plane crashed? Who is self fish here? They seek malay in this country to do evil act in nameof religion but when we need help...we could not sense them here...like i said, the arabs are not to be trusted...
No , I don't think it is a smart way of living rather it is a selfish way as you are only concerned of your self. Therefore you are another of those selfish person who just don't care about others but a hypocrite who judge others thru his worldview.
Any reason why the arabs should help in the recent plane crash , by this you mean the MH17? This is absurd thinking. Any christian organization extended any helping hand? Can you for once think rationally?
LOL , the arabs seek a malay to do 'evil'? Explain to me just how is it evil to fight against an oppressive regime? LOL , to you arabs , malays , indians and chinese could not be trusted. Why don't you just live in a cabe somewhere in the jungle. Its better isn't it.
You wrong. Even in paksitan bloodshed always happend. That is the islam world. They will killed and flight amongthemselves all the time for politicalissue and others. They use the Malays to brain wash because the mamak and Chinese muslims are smart peoples and donot get involved with it...
LOL , everywhere there is blood shed. The point here is that do you understand the root cause? I can also say one of the main cause of the turmoil in the Mid East is due to the right wing christians in the USA who supports Israel unconditionally. LOL , you are just hypocrites. You talk about love and peace but it you people who manufacture arms in an industrial scale. Take for example , the Jesus Rifle :
For thirty years the manufacturer routinely embossed scriptual reference from the bible next to the sight's model and serial number. The scriptural references typically referred to Jesus Christ as the ultimate source of light.
For instance, "Jn8:12": "Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, 'I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.'"
What would Jesus do with the 'Jesus Rifle'. In short , christians like you are just hypocrites.
I never see any Indian nations nor Chinese nations...all i see Indonesia malay , Malaysia malay and arabs...because this peopleseasy target to brain wash...
Hmmm , the British nationals in Syria are mostly Indian / Pakistani and 'mat salleh' origins. Recently in the news , it is confirmed that a chinese national is also fighting in Syria. You are an ignorant 'katak bawah tempurung'. LOL , brain wash ... can you explain what is brain wash?
...that because such move done bycertain muslims is barbaric...that why God do not giving any blessing ratherblood over there...it totally evil acts.
LOL , now solat hajat is barbaric? Are you drunk? First you talk about solat Hajat and now its barbaric. There is something wrong with you. How do you know that God did not give any blessing? These people were martyred , it is considered a blessing as they are brave enough to go against an oppressive regime.
You can create special topic onJesus...here we talking about muslims killing themselves...
LOL , this is what happen when you cannot answer. You are the one talking about muslim heaven and houris. Are you jealous because the Christian heaven is a 'gay' paradise? Too bad for you.
For fanatic peoples like u thinkis right to die in such shameful manner.I do not fork out to bribe for anything . I have my way to handle in decent way.
I don't think they died in any shameful manner. They died for their conviction and belief against an oppressor being the Assad regime. How do anyone know you don't bribe people for your business? I am making a sweepig statement just like you. Somehow you don't like it when it happens to you.
Faith in Bible and dying forreligion is two different issue. The Malays mostly are target for thissituation are brain wash by the Pak arab...hence they are pak turut..
Of course its 2 different issues. However the bible glorify people who die for their religion. Have you forgotten the story of Samson who committed suicide so that others may die with him. Samson in the bible is the first 'suicide bomber' in history. LOL , you don't evenknow your own bible. It appears that you are brainwash in not knowing such.
The world condemn such actinclude Malaysia. You view it ok. Than youconsider a terrorist who support such barbaric act...you pure evil and fanatic..
World condemn what? Now you are into double standards aka hypocrisy? What about the US / British soldiers who committed atrocities in Iraq / Afghanistan? What about the US / British who volunteer for the IDf killing civilians in Gaza? What about the christians who volunteer for the Spanish Civil war? Do you know what is terrorism?
In other words you are a hypocrite.
That kind situation happen, thani would protect because is wrong but togo Syria trying killing it in name ofislam is barbaric....firstly, we not sure such situation is happen due politicalor some other agenda....
Now you are willing to kill and accept the chance of being killed to protect your mother or sister from being raped. What is the difference when a muslim goes to protect another (whether it is Syria or whatever) from being killed or raped etc knowing fully well that they face a chance of being killed in the process? I don't see any difference except your hypocrisy.
Is not material ...is survival..whyone need bound like slave and reject so many opportunity . when we reject opportunityto help ourselves to become wealth we become weak and easily bullied. This what happening to muslim world...theyreject and easily can be bullied. Hence they get anger and take law into theyown hand like vengeful souls.
No it is not. The arabs have been living well until the western powers decided to get involved just because there is oil , meaning energy. Let me ask you , your crusader in George 'God spoke to me' Bush state that the reason of the Iraq invasion was due to weapons of mass descruction. Where are such weapons? A whole country have been destroyed. Again , a christian causing all sorts of problems and lied about it. In the end its about stealing the oil.
What say you?
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Truth.8 posted on 14-9-2014 09:09 PM
Is not myown word but a link provide author of such verses...so u check with the authorwho wrote ...
You in believing and arguing by referencing to it means that you believe it enough to propogate it being your argument. Therefore you are complicit to the lie. Meaning you are a liar. Don't you have the intelligence to check on what you read?
Is not myown word but a link provide author of such verses...so u check with the authorwho wrote such. So is your duty to contact the author of the link to clarify .I have no issue. If such word is wrongly written, than the author responsible toamend it. When I google it, than I paste it...you call me lying for such?
Me lying? I just copy and pasteit. So am i lying? U judge yourself. Anyway we not talking about this issuehere. Is already settle in that topic that it was wrong written by the authorof the link.
There is no proof any evidences. That kind of link probably createdby some muslims to lie...
What does the arabshave contribute to me? I have learned lot from the Bible reading peoples in mybusiness, computer , new tech and etc ...hence , I move on in good direction. Why i needto trust the arabs??? Sorry, I am notstupid to get brain wash.
Let me ask you are question? Was Jesus a middle easterner meaning a person from the 'arab' area? LOL , I like this irony. The people you despise are the people having the shared genetic heritagee of your supposed God in Jesus.
Your forefathers were probably a coolies (translated 'kuli') brought by the British (mat salleh) whom you glorify. LOL , looks like you are still a slave after all. LOL .....
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