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tina^^ posted on 9-10-2013 11:15 AM 
kalau makpak cakap melayu , the fastest and natural(est) way is by enrol the children in community w ...
yup betul sgt...
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Genkidesuka posted on 13-10-2013 12:35 AM
It's not a big deal. Sekarang budak2 pun byk tgk tv. Pandailah dia speaking omputeh esok2. Di rum ...
It is a big deal. Even as we speak ni pun, the government is frantically searching ways to improve situation pelajar2 yg lemah berbahasa Inggeris. The amount of money to do this is very huge. I had to laugh when you said ibubapa janganla beriya sangat.
Yes penggunaan 100% English memang akan memberi masalah kemudian hari. Itula sebabnya saya ada tulis in my previous post... concerntrate in English tapi BM jangan dilupakan. Been there done that. All my kids excel in both English essay and karangan BM.
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Jgnlah gelakkan saya. Maaflah tapi bila umur dah senja mcm saya ni, pada saya perkara mcm ni taklah penting mana. Ni saya nk tambah sikit. Pardon my English ye.
I give my opinion with the thought that most of us come from middle income families - neither of us are royalties or bureaucrats nor are we from low income families.
It's a fact that smart kids won't have trouble in studying even though their English is not that excellent. But sending them to English speaking school and going as far as filtering their friends are just too snobbish in my opinion. Bila saya kata ibubapa jgnlah beriya sgt tu, maksud saya ibubapa patut give the kids (and the parent themselves) the necessary air to breathe. Chill out la. Learning English early is important per se, but it's not significant enough that you have to tear your hair out over it.
Just go with the flow. Mana anak yg tak berapa nak maju dlm English dan tak berminat langsung nak majukan English, ibubapanya redho je la. Anak itu pasti ada skill dlm bidang lain. It's our job to help them to discover their interests. Anak kita tak power English, takyah kalut sgtlah. Maybe anak kita lebih minat dlm Bahasa Melayu. Siapa tahu dia akan jadi seseorg yg memperjuangkan Bahasa Melayu kelak?
"They'll face trouble once they enrol in the universities as most of the reference books are in English." Ye betul. Tapi, diulang ye... smart kids won't have trouble in studying even though their English is not excellent. Dpt masuk U, smart la tu. Bila nak minta kerja baru tersedar the necessity of English, no problem. Register masuk kelas English kat luar tu. We are never too old to learn tau. Sbbkan saya photographer so I'll take a fellow photographer sebagai contohlah. Kenal Saiful Nang? English dia tak excellent mana, tapi Alhamdulillah, look at him now.
Ibubapa, Allah dah ada plan utk kita dan anak2. Jgnlah kita lihat perkara ini sebagai suatu masalah besar. Setiap anak, setiap keluarga tak sama cara pembelajarannya. Jgnlah kita gusar kalau anak tak berapa power bahasa Inggerisnya. Dan yg penting sekali, jgnlah kita sombong dan pandang rendah pd org lain yg tak berapa pandai bahasa Inggerisnya sbb dlm kubur esok, pandai tak pandai English, Munkar Nakir tanya dlm bahasa Arab juga.
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Sbb TT kata nak tau pengalaman, berikut ialah pengalaman saya. Semoga tiada ujub dan riak dari post ini.
Mungkin tak sama mcm parents lain, dari mereka kecil, saya ckp rojak je dgn anak2. Tp byk beli buku Inggeris utk mereka. Encyclopedia, story books, in fact kisah2 dlm Al Quran pun in English. Tp mcm yg saya kata kat atas td, setiap anak berbeza caranya. Some like to read, some don't. Some like to listen to stories, but some prefer Barney's or Elmo's voice over mine. Jdnya, tak bolehlah paksa membaca. Bila main dgn anak jiran, mereka sama2 berkongsi ilmu dan memperkayakan vocab BI n BM masing2. Ajar anak agar jgn memndg rendah pd mereka yg lemah BI.
Tu je la. Selamat menyambut Aidil Adha!
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actually, bila dah tua esok, dah kerja, baru realise english tak berapa baik and baru nak amek initiative utk belajar english, tough ler sket. boleh, tapi tough la sket.
macam kita la, tua tua baru realise bahasa dlm kubur esok bahasa arab. so amekler initiative belajar bahasa arab part time tua tua nie. boleh, mmg boleh....tp struggle la sket tua2 baru nak belajar jumjumatun = tengkorak, ainon = mata, samion = telinga etc etc.....kalau muda2 dulu belajar faham bahasa arab, boleh jd tua tua gini dah boleh faham quran mcm faham baca buku cerita.
my observation kalau kita nak belajar new language paling senang absorb masa young age and also when we are in a community yg guna language tue. not limited to english but any languages.......
lepas tue, tgkla keperluan anak tue, samada perlu dibantu atau tidak. ada anak, less struggle....ada anak, perlu dibantu wherever necessary. that's our job. as parents, i do not believe as "REDHO AJElah" kalau anak dah tak pandai tue... in any subject sekalipon, bukan english ajek. yes betul. setiap org akan ada kelebihan dan kelemahan masing2. to me, redho only comes when necessary actions has been put in place. dah usaha aper sumer, yes, baru datang term REDHO.
saiful nang tue pon, kalau amek contoh....walau anak peneroka (kot?) tp sekolah dkt English College and MMU, where english is the main medium of communication. so, i believe environment sekolah, kawan2, somehow influence jugak dier punya ability to pick up that language walaupon ada forumer kata english dier tak excellent mana but look, where he is now?? i personally think, he is where he is now partly because of his education background and exposure jugak.
i somehow agree, kids won't have trouble in studying even though their English is not excellent....but in situation where english is applicable, masa tue ler smart student ke laut - mcm yg i nampak masa interview. sad, but true. dah tgk byk candidate melayu yg biler pegi interview aduss...........mmg pandai, tp english nyer kadang2......hmmmm sampai i pernah terdetik dlm hati, tanakla anak aku besar esok struggle nak susun2 ayat dlm english mcm nie. kesian. mungkin itulah exposure / educationn terbaik makpak derang boleh kasik masa sekolah dulu.... cud prolly dulu sek kampong or sekolah melayu 99% where english is only been thought in english class yg kdg2 cikgu english pon cakap melayu sbb nak kasik student paham.
watever it is, our job is to assist our children wherever possible. cara mana, lagu mana, depends lah masing2 pilih......tak salah kalau kita nak cedok teknik orang lain. yg baik jadikkan teladan, yg tak berapa nak baik jadikan sempadan......yg penting we parents know what we do. Last edited by tina^^ on 16-10-2013 12:19 PM
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Anak saya sejak (6 tahun) suka sangat video games mcm Ninjago, Transformers, Minecraft, jadi saya benarkan dia guna tab utk tengok video berkaitan dgn apa yang dia minat. Most of the time dia tengok game walkthrough atau videoblog gamers (berdasarkan pemantauan saya), true enough, English vocab dia memang improve a lot, tapi yang berkaitan dengan domain video games lah. Bila dia main toys atau bersilat dgn kawan2  , dia akan gunakan bahasa Inggeris & perkataan2 yang dia dengar dlm internet dengan lebih kerap.
Tapi bila borak hari2 dia akan guna BM, walaupun saya guna BI... dia nampak lebih selesa bila guna BM sebab kawan2 dia di taska kebanyakannya guna BM. No worries, sebab kat kindy pun dia ada belajar Mandarin... pening pok cik!
Back to my main point, saya guna bantuan IT untuk reinforce BI (disamping bercakap dgn dia dlm BI), sebab itu yang dia minat,... saya nampak proses nak acquire vocab becomes more natural and less painful bila subjeknya sesuai dgn jiwa si kecik  Last edited by pelicano on 16-10-2013 04:42 PM
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clap clap to TT and the rest of mothers here that contributes to many good and brilliant ideas!
i could definitely sort out some and apply whenever necessary..
as for me,i mix both languages,bahasa melayu and english..
note that my eldest mmg zero in bahasa,no matter whether everyone in the house speaks malay,he will have a difficulty answering in malay,ckp mcm robot..sebijik sebijik mcm tu..ni bukan sebab kami terapkan english sgt pun,he himself yg x boleh nak adapt dgn bahasa..my bad,i start noticing when he was in standard 1..bahasa sgt teruk..risau sbb nnt bahasa will be one of compulsory subject to pass in exam..
my daughter,very good in bahasa,while english very bad,except on the paper..walaupun dia score mostly dlm compulsory subjects,still,she is left behind due to the speaking matter..dia ckp malu sebab dkt school kwn2 ejek klu ckp english..
until i pindah UK,dkt sini my daughter yg x boleh berckp proper english sentences,now reads beautifully and speaks naturally in english,apart from the accent yeah sbb biasa part accent ni terikut2 org..my son,he escapes from bahasa at the moment,which he truly appreciates...since his subjects give instructions all in english,he improves much better than he was in malaysia..amazingly,he could now uses some bombastic words into sentences..
main point is,exposure is very important,this is how i look at it..i could see within few months my daughter dah catched up with many new things around her,and quickly adapt with it..same goes to my son,except for bahasa which until today,whenever i talked in bahasa he will give me a simplest answer..lebih2 jwb dlm english..yg ni i pun masih struggle..
i setuju dgn points surrounding anak pun memainkan peranan,expose them dgn rakan2 yg bertutur english,they will catch up quickly..
my youngest daughter,3 years old now just a month in nursery and everyday has something new to share..she is not talkative in class,but an observant type..dkt rumah,there you go..mommey,i want cookies..(note,mommey calling time mood nak ber slang,i always refer to myself as mama)..she still has baby talk but i tried to correct her like for example,"i want muggets"..instead i will tell her its actually "i want nuggets"..ask her to repeat then remind her each time klu dia salah..In Shaa Allah once she started with phonic session baby talk will be long gone.
dkt malaysia byk cara nak get good progress with english,cartoons pun byk membantu,cuba cari cartoon yg berckp with simple english sentences,for example,in the night garden..peppa pig...boleh search dlm youtube klu perlu..
besides,applications pun a good guide juga... Last edited by pinksarah on 16-10-2013 01:41 PM
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pelicano posted on 16-10-2013 08:30 AM
Anak saya sejak (6 tahun) suka sangat video games mcm Ninjago, Transformers, Minecraft, jadi saya be ...
same here,my son uses games as tools for him to speak english..
online games,where you can play with other gamers from all over the world..
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shaff posted on 9-10-2013 02:40 AM
just nak share,
my doter now 3 1/2 yrs, so far i speak english with her since she was born.. and he ...
tumpang tanya,anak you ada baby talk?or mmg bila dh pandai bercakap dia fluent terus lancar percakapan nya?
i ada kwn yg anak sebaya dgn anak i dan you..tp,percakapan nya jelas dan lancar,no baby talk whatsoever..
klu pronunciation huruf R tu sgt jelas bunyi nya..
easier for the mother nak ajar english,which lg terer la kot..
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Saya tak pandai hendak express my opinion effectively. Saya cuba lagi ye.
Saya cuma nak tekankan yg ibubapa tak pyhlah kalut2 risau bila anak kecil mereka tidak mahu berkomunikasi dlm bahasa BI di rumah. Redho tu mmglah selepas kita sudah berusaha semua cara yg ada (tanpa ada gangguan emosi dari pihak ibubapa dan anak).
It is a fact that a skilled candidate most likely will fail to get a job because of his/her so-so English skill. I have to say so-so and not poor because I can't just believe a graduate doesn't know how to speak English at all. Experience and skills are equally important. No doubt that English is a plus, but it will come by itself after a few years in work, don't you think? The good news is, not every line of work dlm dunia ini meletakkan kepandaian BI sebagai syarat. Allah pemberi rezeki, not those non-Anglais-non-qualifies mindset of people.
As for the aforementioned photographer, dari biodatanya dia dtg dari keluarga petani yg miskin. Selogiknya ibubapanya pun tak berkomunikasi dgnnya dgn BI sewaktu dia kecil. So it is true. It's never too late to learn, tak kiralah berapa umur kita. Pokok-pangkalnya ada kemahuan dan usaha.
Apa yg saya nmpk, sedar atau tidak ramai antara kita sudah tertanam sikap sombong dan riak di dlm diri. Sbbkan hendak anak pandai English, we take drastic actions - tukar sekolah anak atau pindah ke komuniti yg lebih 'refined'. Balik dari kampung spouse (sbb kita ni dtg dari keluarga yg pandai English kononnya), kita tak puas hati sbb anak tak mau ckp omputeh dah. What is that?! That's so vain and wrong. Bersyukurlah dan ingat sentiasa, tak semua org nasibnya sama. Dari itu, hisab diri kita elok2. Anak2 kita akan contohi kita. Kalau menguasai BI hanya menjadikan kita dan anak2 lebih sombong, alangkah ruginya.
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See??
even Saiful Nang yg dtg dari keluarga petani yg miskin where selogiknya ibubapa dia pun tak berkomunikasi dgnnya in english sewaktu dia kecil pon hantar anak pegi English College and MMU? ain't his parents snobissh? tak kot......
dah tau makpak tak pandai nak speaking english kan or belaja x berapa hado, u can help ur children by putting them into proper school and environment. i dont see it as snobbish act from parents, rather an appropriate act to assist your children where ever possible.
from my observation, its not anak2 yg speaking english yg tak reti respect orang or sombong berlagak, tp its the other way round. bukan kes terpencil kita dengar budak2 yg speaking english nie kena gelak dan diejek oleh kawan2 yg tak pandai speaking. on separate occasion, my frenz yg balik dr UK dan OZ pon facing this problem walaupon derang nie tinggal dan sekolah di tpt yg berbeza. anak2 drg tak terlepas dari kena ejek dgn bebudak siap kena hasut2 jgn kawan sbb budak tue pandai speaking. anak derang siap nangis tanak pegi sekolah sampai my frenz terpaksa saiko her children cakap, its ok if they laugh at you now, cause they will be the one who cry later. so, to me ajar anak respect orang, jgn sombong dan bongkak tue shall apply to every school of thought, regardless.
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pinksarah posted on 16-10-2013 09:39 PM
tumpang tanya,anak you ada baby talk?or mmg bila dh pandai bercakap dia fluent terus lancar percak ...
seingat i ada la ckit baby talk..
tapi bila dh pandai berckp mmg lancar je lah
alhamdulillah
risau juga kan sbb mmg she's a bit slow la sblm dia fluent bcakap..
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tina^^ posted on 17-10-2013 02:51 AM
See??
even Saiful Nang yg dtg dari keluarga petani yg miskin where selogiknya ibubapa dia pun ta ...
thats what happened to my daughter,even my son..
bukan takat kena ejek,tp kena tuduh lg my children bukan islam,org islam pandai ckp melayu..
budak2 susah kita nak explain,nangis,x mo gi school..i dah lalui tu..
at the same time,i kesian gak dkt budak2 yg ejek tu,kurang pendedahan psl kepentingan belajar bahasa selain melayu
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tina^^ posted on 17-10-2013 10:51 AM
See??
even Saiful Nang yg dtg dari keluarga petani yg miskin where selogiknya ibubapa dia pun ta ...
We are speaking about small children kan? I was referring to young snobbish parents yg mempunyai anak kecil yg suka2 nak tukar sekolah anak sbbkan masalah 'non English environment'.
Betullah makpak SN tak snobbish. Dia terpilih masuk sekolah tu lepas SRP. Dia sekolah situ dari Form4 to Form5. Tu lain cerita dah tu. Tu bukan hantar sekolah sbb nak anak terer English dah tu. In fact dia fail English je manjang bila sekolah kat situ, SPM trial pun Englishnya fail jugak. Tp dia berusaha dan berusaha. Hasilnya keputusan English dlm SPMnya C3. Tu yg saya kata, dah jd buluh pun boleh belajar lagi. Makpak dia tak speaking pun dgn dia. Speaking tak speaking, bukan itu yg tentukan rezeki anak2 kita bila dah besar. Yg tentukan rezeki tu Allah. Tu yg saya kata, korang ibubapa yg muda2 ni takyah la beriya2 mikir, risau bagai kalau anak tak berapa pandai dlm English.
Hal lain yg awak sebut tu saya setuju. Ibubapa kena pandai main peranan dgn memberitahu awal2 pd anak bila kita masuk kandang lembu, kita kena menguak sbb kalau kita sorang je mengembek, kenalah pulau. Nak mengembek pun time kelas English je. Takde la nmpk sgt kekambingan kita itu.
Are we good? Dah. Setel. Tutup case.
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tina^^ posted on 17-10-2013 10:51 AM
See??
even Saiful Nang yg dtg dari keluarga petani yg miskin where selogiknya ibubapa dia pun ta ...
Very true indeed. My daughter attended a State level Convention specially for Head Prefects, and a girl actually asked her whether she's christian. When my girl kata I'm Malay, dia boleh mencemek and kata Saya dgr dari tadi "awak asyik speaking aje, kenapa tak boleh cakap melayu ke?"
This is not the first time my girl dapat the 'look' coz she spoke in english. Yes, they all yg sombong dan kutuk malays yg berbahasa Inggeris. Bukannya the other way round. Is it so wrong bercakap in English, apatah lagi dgn non malays?
Oh lupa nak cakap, since anak saya std 1, saya hantar sekolah nuuunnnn jauh dari rumah coz i want the 'English' environment. Snobbish ke saya? To be honest, i dont care what other people think. Why dah besar nak kelam kabut belajar English with so much difficulties dgn fees tinggi bagai. If you can have it done smooth sailing and terapkan sejak kecil?
Teringat lagi budak Engineering UM datang interview kat office saya. When we asked, Tell us about yourself, dia boleh jawab, boleh saya berbahasa MElayu. And ofcourse we said ok but automatically her name was striked off coz if tak fasih mcmana nak bekerja dgn mat sallehs dalam office and the mat sallehs at our HQ in US and subsidiaries worldwide? |
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macademia posted on 17-10-2013 11:40 PM
Very true indeed. My daughter attended a State level Convention specially for Head Prefects, and a ...
Exactly!
like u sis, i wudnt wait until dah besar esok baru nak struggle belajar while we can do it now at young age. kita selalu dengar, kena grab 5 perkara sebelum datang 5 perkara:-
1. Sihat sebelum sakit
2. Muda sebelum tua
3. Kaya sebelum miskin
4. Lapang sebelum sempit
5. Hidup sebelum mati.
as parents, our duty is to assist our children wherever possible sementara kita dan anak sihat, muda, kaya, lapang dan hidup. kaya tue bukan takat kaya $$$ tp kaya resource jugak. resource come in many forms. sekolah, kawan2, game, books, tv, internet etc......there's no right and wrong....memana yg applicable. tang mananyer nak riak sombong tue? x sangka zaman skang ada lagik pemikiran mcm nie.
i dah jumpa banyak....banyak candidate melayu yg pandai tp english nyer masa intvw tue........hmmmm. mmg buat i bertekad, that i will do the necessary. to assist my children if the need arise...i wud not let tunggu esok besar pandai2la derang whilst i can assist them now from young age.
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siputsedut posted on 6-10-2013 11:22 PM
dah betul cara tt tu...OPOL (one parent one language)..cuma kena consistent..jgn jadik cam siput..ke ...
Your kid will be okay. Kids are so much smarter than we adults realize. A lot of learning and education is far more stressful on parents than the little ones. Hang in there. It will get better.
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pinksarah posted on 17-10-2013 06:07 PM
thats what happened to my daughter,even my son..
bukan takat kena ejek,tp kena tuduh lg my chil ...
dulu2 i pelik jugak manalah budak2 nie pandai nak melabel2 orang kafir lah aper lah bagai nie??
tp after getting some feedback from here.....we cant really blame them. they cud prolly pick up from adults yg suka melabel label orang jugak...
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tina^^ posted on 18-10-2013 01:51 PM
dulu2 i pelik jugak manalah budak2 nie pandai nak melabel2 orang kafir lah aper lah bagai nie??
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I'm really sorry. I can see that you are angry. Ni dah salah faham ni (not to mention out of topic which was brought about by yours truly). Saya cuma bagi nasihat dan peringatan secara umum pd para2 ibu dan bapa di sini tentang wujudnya perasaan megah, bangga dan riak bila kita ahli dlm sesuatu perkara - which in this case, penguasaan Bahasa Inggeris. Tidak salah ibubapa buat yg terbaik utk anak2, malah ia dituntut. Tapi, kita wajiblah check dan re-check hati. Bagi yg terasa dilabel, saya minta maaf byk2. My unsolicited advice backfires and provoke defensive responses. I'm not saying that I'm right tapi mungkin juga kalian baca komen saya dgn tone yg tak betul. So please, please do me a favor. Please reread my comments with light-hearted tone and you'll find that there's nothing spiteful in there. If you're done rereading and still feel indignant about it, again, please forgive me. 
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yes.. sebenarnya bukanlah nk bermegah2.. my siblings.. kebanyakannya semua cikgu sekolah rendah.. tmasuk dgn ipar skali ok
masalah syllabus sekolah sekarang ni.. kejap english, kejap bm.. my brother once cikgu kat sarawak... 2 yrs back.. nampak sgt teruknya budak2 bila dia kena mengajar maths dlm english.. finally kena explain in BM.. ok fine, xpayah mention kat Sarawak la.. even my sister mengajar kat Klang pun seksa nak ajor budak2 in english..
mostly yg budak2 terer ni mmg jenis ada home tuition @ mmg parent bcakap english kat rumah..
that's why i bukan nk bbangga ke ape kan.. tp for the child's sake.. at least kena ada inisiatif utk lentur budak2 ni dari rumah.. one parent one languange (OPOL) rasenye mmg bagus sbb budak2 akan serap both language asalkan one parent will stick to one language.. Last edited by shaff on 21-10-2013 04:14 PM
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