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The claim that Fatima (R.A.) had a miscarriage is a mere fabrication. It has been mentioned in an authentic book of history, i.e. Albidayah wan Nihaayah, that during the lifetime of Rasoolullah (S.A.W.), Fatima (R.A.) gave birth to a third son by the name of Muhassin and that this child passed away in his childhood. This is why the majority of the historians mentioned only two sons of Fatima (R.A.).
The reason why Umar (R.A) reacted staunchly with those who opposed the Khilaafat after Abubakar (R.A.) was appointed as the Khalifah was because Rasoolullah (S.A.W.) has said: 揑f anybody else claims Khilaafat after a Khalifah has been chosen from amongst the Muslims, then he should be killed no matter who he may be. |
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Reply #21 mnm77's post
Praise be to Allah!
I hope this version is the truth Insha Allah.. |
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Originally posted by obelisk at 27-1-2009 07:12 AM 
Praise be to Allah!
I hope this version is the truth Insha Allah..
salam
saya sebenarnya nak mengelak dari menyentuh topik ni, apatah lagi ini satu topik yg sangat kontroversi. Tetapi apabila MNM telah mengeluarkan pointnya, maka saya bertanggungjawab utk menyatakan pula dari sudut pandangan Syiah ttg hal ini. Anda dapat melihat petikan MNM yg sebenarnya hanyalah rumusan dengan memetik dari sumber2 yang samasekali tidak dirincikan, dan Insya Allah anda akan lihat point2 yang lebih detail dan lebih telus dari sumber2 Sunni dan Syiah di sini:
Burning The House of Fatima Binte Muhammad [saww]
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/burning_the_house/en/index.php
dan saya juga sedang membicnangkannya secara ringkas di sini:
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=392053&extra=page%3D1&page=1
Harap anda menilainya sendiri dan pohonlah kekuatan dari Allah.
wassalaam |
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dan Obelisk, satu hal yang sangat penting utk anda fikirkan: Di manakah maqam Puteri Rasulullah saaw? |
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sunni kata cerita ni bohong. marja' syiah dari lubnan, iaitu M. Husain Fadlullah juga menafikan cerita ni. dia kata riwayat tu lemah dan tak boleh dipegang. |
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Originally posted by nahzaluz at 28-1-2009 02:32 AM
sunni kata cerita ni bohong. marja' syiah dari lubnan, iaitu M. Husain Fadlullah juga menafikan cerita ni. dia kata riwayat tu lemah dan tak boleh dipegang.
Ttg pendapat S.Fadhlullah tu, Ibnur dah berikan link Shia Chat yg sebutkan refutation terhadapnya. Pasal Pendapat Sunni tu, mestilah Sunni kata bohong. Bukankah Sunni dan Ahlul Bait sejak dulu berbeda pendapat? |
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Originally posted by ibnur at 28-1-2009 01:37 PM
kawin mis-yar pun ada sebut tu....
Shia Marja Fadhlullah Gone Astray?
After The House Burnt Down..
Ayatollah Fadlallah
Shia Only - The Alleged Burning Of The House Of Sayyida (ra)
saya dah baca yg Shia chat tu - mengenai After the house burnt down adalah pertanyaan utk menggugat kesahihan tragedi tersebut. Tapi hanya bertanyakan tentang di mana AhluL Bait a.s tinggal selepas tragedi tersebut, dan kebanyakan persoalan berkitar di situ.
Shia Only- The alleged ... - hanya mengenai 'terjemahan dan pemahaman' seorang pembaca mengenai surat Imam Ali a.s secara peribadi. Dalam thread ni juga ada sebutkan ttg refutation terhadap pendapat S.Fadhlullah tu. |
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Reply #29 billionaire's post
billy, sblm aku pegi jauh...
aku nak tanya ko...
kalaulah betul apayang didakwakan tu...
apakah status Umar etc?
- kafir
- zalim
- munafiq
lain2 sila nyatakan _______
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Reply #31 billionaire's post
jawab laa dulu... senang sket....
i tau laa citer2 yg ko bwk byk2 tu... i cume nak tau ape pendapat u ttg abu bakr, umar dll ittew jer...
1 - kafir
2 - munafiq
3 - zalim
4 - lain2 sila nyatakan ______
make it easy...... |
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Reply #31 billionaire's post
assalaamu'alaikum w.b.t...
saudara billionaire, kalau begitu, pendapat siapa pula yang penting? |
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[quote]Originally posted by mnm77 at 27-1-2009 02:11 AM 
If any Shiite keeps bothering you then you should ask him that: 揥as Ali (R.A.) brave or cowardly? If he was brave, then why did he conceal the truth? What prevented him from disclosing the truth during the Khilaafat? If according to your belief (Shiite) Ali (R.A.) had any bequest regarding Khilaafat and governmental issues but he was not able to express them openly, then how did you find out about it? Where is this bequest of his and in which Kitaab is it to be found? Why don抰 you prove it from authentic sources. |
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Originally posted by nahzaluz at 28-1-2009 02:32 AM
sunni kata cerita ni bohong. marja' syiah dari lubnan, iaitu M. Husain Fadlullah juga menafikan cerita ni. dia kata riwayat tu lemah dan tak boleh dipegang.
Ijma' ulama dari syiah telah menolak pendapat marja' seorang ini. Anyway masih dibahaskan mereka kerana ulama' syiah masih hidup lagi dan persoalan masih terbuka namun demikian kesepakatannya telah pun dicapai.
Orang yang mementang syiah bolehlah mengambil fatwa2 ganjil daripada Ayatollah seorang ni dan digunakan untuk mementang syiah. Orang2 yang tak memahami syiah tentu saja mudah tertipu oleh musuh2 ahlul-bait seperti antara fatwa beliau yang membolehkan merokok di bulan Ramadhan dsbnya.
Anyway...Sheikh Hassan Nasrullah seorang ulama syiah yang menentang Zionis Yahudi dulu pun tidak mengikuti M.Husain Fadlullah tapi merujuk terus kepada rahbar Ayatollah Ali Khamenei di Qom. Antum nak orang syiah mengikuti beliau ker?
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Reply #35 Gravedigger's post
marja' syeikh, marja'. bukan org biasa.  |
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Reply #28 billionaire's post
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sunni tak berbeza pndpt dgn ahlul bait tapi dgn mazhab rafidhah yang bill pegang. |
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Originally posted by GT0 at 29-1-2009 08:16 PM
jawab laa dulu... senang sket....
i tau laa citer2 yg ko bwk byk2 tu... i cume nak tau ape pendapat u ttg abu bakr, umar dll ittew jer...
1 - kafir
2 - munafiq
3 - zalim
4 - lain2 sila n ...
saya jawab le tapi akak jawab la dulu soalan kat thread tahrif tu, dah lama tinggal tu. |
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Originally posted by mpithagoras at 29-1-2009 08:40 PM
assalaamu'alaikum w.b.t...
saudara billionaire, kalau begitu, pendapat siapa pula yang penting?
anda rasa? |
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Originally posted by nahzaluz at 31-1-2009 06:08 PM
sunni tak berbeza pndpt dgn ahlul bait tapi dgn mazhab rafidhah yang bill pegang.
Memang itu pendapat Sunni saya tak nafikan, tapi pendapat Sunni tentang hal ini tentu tak sama dengan pendapat Syiah |
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Post time 27-1-2009 02:11 AM
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Post time 28-1-2009 12:58 PM
