Kenapa Manusia Perlukan Tuhan?

Mansairaku · Post time 26-9-2007 07:21 PM

(still bercakap dari perspektif lain ..)

some people do not believe in another separate entity called "god" but believe that "goodness" itself is a religion on its own ...

LostSoul · Post time 27-9-2007 09:58 PM

IMHO, i need God so i can hold on to something superior, unbreakable, always be there even during my darkest moment when i myself will easily break down and lose hope..

dutchy · Post time 27-9-2007 11:08 PM

I find that the topic abt God is largely influenced by our upbringing
it's more of less spoon fed to us from small, like me being a Malay, am automatically borned as a Muslim since both my parents are Muslim, and from young on we are taught to believe, to respect the person hire up there

but I guess if you are borned as a free thinker , you do not believe in the higher being coz it is not something that you can say for sure exist

Bugger · Post time 28-9-2007 02:02 AM

Originally posted by dutchy at 27-9-2007 11:08 PM
I find that the topic abt God is largely influenced by our upbringing
it's more of less spoon fed to us from small, like me being a Malay, am automatically borned as a Muslim since both my pare ...

As a consequence, those who do not already believe and/or who are not biased in favor of belief are not given a reason to start because of our upbringing as a muslim.We force to believe in god or else assume the premise that there is some reasonable basis for at least considering belief in the first place.Do i believe in god? I have no reason to bother and/or I have good reasons to think that god does not or cannot exist.My decent answer will be like this..since my parents are malay muslim,automatically im a muslim as well and our constitutional act stated that a malay remains as a muslim as he/she is born malay (malaysian.)

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LostSoul · Post time 28-9-2007 11:09 AM

it is our nature to seek the truth.. we may have 1001 doubts about God, but what we do to find God, its existence? how far we are ready to let go to seek the truth?

lyrics that ponder on God's existence.. just wanna share

You don't need no friends
get back your faith again
you have the power to believe
another dissident
take back your evidence
it has no power to deceive

I'll believe it when I see it, for myself

I don't need no one to tell me about heaven
I look at my daughter, and I believe.
I don't need no proof when it comes to God and truth
I can see the sunset and I perceive

I sit with them all night
everything they say is right
but in the morning they were wrong
I'll be right by your side
come hell or water high
down any road you choose to roam

I'll believe it when I see it for myself

I don't need no one to tell me about heaven
I look at my daughter, and I believe.
I don't need no proof when it comes to God and truth
I can see the sunset and I perceive, yeah

darling, I believe, Oh Lord
sometimes it's hard to breathe, Lord
at the bottom of the sea, yeah yeah

my-alja · Post time 29-9-2007 06:34 AM

sambung skit drp perspektif yg lain....

depa tak jadi GOD, but they choose to be a medium between god and normal people...they ask people to pay to clean up their sins..yg bestnya, semua medium nie highly corrupted

SONofODIN · Post time 30-9-2007 08:13 AM

Whether an individual believes in god or not depends on his/ her needs.
There is nothing wrong if someone choose not to believe in one and
also there is nothing wrong if someone choose to believe in one.
Every individuals have different opinion and belief. That's what makes homo sapien a unique species.
Afterall religions are man made. If you practise a religion which teaches you not to harm others
then it is a good religion.

SONofODIN · Post time 30-9-2007 08:36 AM

Originally posted by dutchy at 27-9-2007 11:08 PM
I find that the topic abt God is largely influenced by our upbringing
it's more of less spoon fed to us from small, like me being a Malay, am automatically borned as a Muslim since both my pare ...

Believing in the existence of God is largely influenced by the person upbringing. If you were taught to believe there is God since childhood then very likely you will carry this belief with you for the rest of your life. Malays here have no choice to choose. Malays were "forced" to attend religious studies from young. What a Malays sees and what a non Malay sees are very different. A Malay's view about God is greatly influenced by his/ her upbringing. All because of the constitution.

I was not born in a family where I was "forced" to believe in God. I had my choice to choose and study about religions neutrally without being influenced. I chose not to believe in God. To God Believers may think I am ignorant or someone superb.
If they had a choice they wouldn't think that way. God is merely a person's opinion.

P.S I apologize if I offended someone.

abemus · Post time 30-9-2007 02:36 PM

I believe when you pray to God, the weight on your shoulder lighten a bit..

my-alja · Post time 30-9-2007 07:06 PM

heheheh...once i argued my swiss fren, bcos he doesn'r believe in GHOST n God....

he said, everything is in ur head...u believe it and u can feel it

p/s: how wonderful GOD make our mind ehhh

Bugger · Post time 30-9-2007 07:51 PM

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 30-9-2007 08:13 AM
Afterall religions are man made.

Some scholars, however, argue that religion doesn't really exist - according to them, there is really only culture.
How bout you,SONofODIN?

Bugger · Post time 30-9-2007 08:04 PM

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 30-9-2007 08:36 AM

A Malay's view about God is greatly influenced by his/ her upbringing. All because of the constitution.

Countries are made of many different kinds of people from many different places. But sometimes countries have an official religion, or a national political party. If you are different from the majority, you still have the right to your own religion and your own opinions, and have the right to practise your religion but not in Malaysia.
If you are born to be a malay,as i said earlier,automatically you are a malay muslim.Thus not allowing you to practise his/her right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

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Mansairaku · Post time 30-9-2007 08:54 PM

i am, in agreement with our constitution tho ....

hamizao · Post time 30-9-2007 09:59 PM

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 21-9-2007 05:48 PM
This one is very subjective.

1. Ancient men couldn't answer to natural phenomenons and natural disasters.
They thought there were some superior beings control over all these. Hence gods were ...

"The Story of God" captures Robert Winston's personal study of the subject is in sinc with your point. He  further argues that as human began to understand the elements better they then used them to produce rather than gather food,  God "began" to settle down. Later the idea of the one God became vogue.

There has always been a need for God no matter how it is being defined and no matter how progressive human beings have become. It is required to help explain what would otherwise be unexplainable. You see, the brain always try to make sense of the world. But the brain is very much limited in it's ability to explain certain aspect of life and the world we live in. Hence, there was born the opportunity for priests, sharmans etc to become  intermidiaries. As what SONofODIN said, some of them became corrupted.

I think throughout the ages it has also shown that the belief in God no matter how His being is envisaged have managed peoples' lives through turbulances and all. They find hope when the chips are down. There evolved various moral codes to check mankind to ensure existence and reasons for it.

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SONofODIN · Post time 1-10-2007 04:32 PM

God is just a state of mind.
If your mind tells you need God then you need one.
If your mind tells you don't need God then you don't need one.
If your mind tells you that God does not exist then God does not exist.
If your mind tells you God exists then God exists.

This is my perception of God.

Bugger · Post time 1-10-2007 09:45 PM

Does it make more sense to think that if a god exists, our belief in it is something that should comfort us and make us feel better about ourselves, or that if a god exists, our belief in it should challenge us and force us to reconsider what we value and want?

SONofODIN · Post time 2-10-2007 07:01 AM

How a person see God is very personal and subjective.
Upbringing, living condition and environment, and a country's political situation greatly influenced a person's belief in God.

Human's belief in God is more of a culture and tradition which had been practised for centuries. The existence of God had been implanted in human's mind and it is not easy to just 'delete' it.

In the Tao or the 'Way', God is not seen as a supreme being, not something to be worshipped. The Tao acknowledges a powerful 'force' behind all existence not a being. The ultimate goal of the Tao is to be with nature, to flow with it not against it. Others see this 'force' a being and hence the word GOD was created and being worshipped.

dutchy · Post time 2-10-2007 02:03 PM

our upbringing as a muslim.

Do i believe in god? I have no reason to bother and/or I have good reasons to think that god does not or

am so sorry when I read abt you have no reason to bother abt the existence of GOD ...yet you keep on rambling abt it.

If you would like to discuss abt these topic the least that I expect is for you to come and give me UR PERSONAL views abt these matter, rather then whatever that you can get you hands on, as that will mirrored, what is your REAL take on this issue, rather then to pursue it without aim

< per dia hangpa dok meghoyan sropa org tak ketahuan ntah> isk

dutchy · Post time 2-10-2007 02:20 PM

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 30-9-2007 08:36 AM

Believing in the existence of God is largely influenced by the person upbringing. ( agreed herewith )

If you were taught to believe there is God since childhood then very likely you will carry this belief with you for the rest of your life. Malays here have no choice to choose. Malays were "forced" to attend religious studies from young. What a Malays sees and what a non Malay sees are very different. A Malay's view about God is greatly influenced by his/ her upbringing. All because of the constitution. (some Malays can and will probably shared the same views as you , but me for once does not see it as a 'BURDEN' nor that my right to a FREEDOM of CHOICE of RELIGION is being denied herewith, I embraced given religion with favour, and not a second do I think that I'm saddled with something so terrible for the rest of my life.

I was not born in a family where I was "forced" to believe in God. I had my choice to choose and study about religions neutrally without being influenced. I chose not to believe in God. To God Believers may think I am ignorant or someone superb.
If they had a choice they wouldn't think that way. God is merely a person's opinion.

Eventhough some of you may think of my religion that is one with so much restriction towards it believers, there are lots of us who think otherwise, its more of a guidance for us, on how to lead our lives according to the practices as being spelt out in the Quran. I for once do not look down on anyone who differs qua believes from me, as I myself am a great believer of Freedom of anything (while it do comes with consequences depending on what kind of freedom that you are advocating for ), I do find the other world religion to be fascinating and, in whatever ENTITY that you choose to believe in or not, the best is thing, what I gather from reading abt all the other religion is that, it's solace for the believers when they are in up or down mood in their lives

I've great respect towards all the religion and in order for us to co-exist cohesively with each other in this community... is to exersize great consideration towards one another, regardless of what we see as GOD or not

P.S I apologize if I offended someone. ( None taken )

LostSoul · Post time 2-10-2007 03:33 PM

mmm i would not use the word "force", i would rather use the word "mould". as malays, we were born with a "mould" designed to fit us, to guide us. like dutchy, i never felt it as a burden, because as i got older and start to understand life better, gain more knowledge, i saw the beauty of this "mould" that i was born into. finding that i'm on the right pathway for me to reach God is a journey... i may take a look at other paths, but i would always stick to my own... it may not be smooth al the way down, but that's life..

for me, God exists.. in my heart.. as to what i feel..