Islamic civilisation more advanced than decadent Western culture

Originally posted by Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 01:05 AM
but the cellphone actually has been discovered by Islamic scholar 500 years ago

really???

Presa1200

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 08:52 AM
The question is still not answered.

If islamic culture is advance, why atre muslims so immoral and poor today?

Chinese culture is more advance than islamicf culture any time throughout hist ...

undeniable there is always having the poor people regardless races and religion.

As if you were saying all non-muslim are rich, without any single person is poor? What about indian, certain inferior part of China, vietnam, kemboja and thailand?

You are too generalizing people.

Don't forget those poor muslim countries are still being oppressed by Jews and US military. How would you expect them to develope? Don't you think?

Look at malaysia, if you notice most of rich malay are from Kelantan(other states as well). If you visit Kelantan before sure you'll find out even farmers have their own bangaloo and apartment. Whoever work hard, surely he will be rewarded by rezki.

How could you so obsessed with a black dot on a piece of white paper and ignoring the rest part of it?

No matter how you denied, Islamic civilization still once the most advanced before.

[ Last edited by  Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 07:37 PM ]

Presa1200

Originally posted by me at 24-2-2007 06:42 PM



really???

of cuz cellphone do not exist during that time. it is only an example i give, so that people will easy to understand the comparison.

what i want to show you is, islamic civilization is 500 years more advanced than european countries.

You want me to show you the period calculation too?

[ Last edited by  Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 07:33 PM ]

Presa1200

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 24-2-2007 04:26 PM
Ever wonder who contribute greatly on astronomy, medicine, architecture and military knowledge in China ?

Ever wonder who were the early wushu masters ?

You can find the amazing answers at  ...

Only Quran, the words of Allah will reveal the truth of this world of knowledge.

Human only limited by its own visual and thinking ability.

Originally posted by Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 07:31 PM


of cuz cellphone do not exist during that time. it is only an example i give, so that people will easy to understand the comparison.

what i want to show you is, islamic civilization is 50 ...

you got me there. so what about now? is islam still more advance than western?

rurouni_khairul

How about that Deb from your fellow Chinese?

Presa1200

Originally posted by me at 24-2-2007 07:36 PM


you got me there. so what about now? is islam still more advance than western?

Islam glory has been destroyed by its own muslim. Corrupted human mind and ununity of islamic countries. Whereas the weaks are still being oppressed.

Don't forget, true muslim living in the past 9th century has proved to the world of their advanced technologies.

Pharoah once owned his most powerful military and politics, but he falls at last.

You can say western countries has advanced technology but you cannot say it will last forever.

A great empire will soon falls, nothing will last. Except for those who really follow God.

because history proved that it is not impossible for Islam to raise again.

Islamic community contributed many critical knowledge that still being used in modern calculation and application. Without them i don't think you can solving algebra and trigo equations.

rurouni_khairul

Well said bro..well said..

For instance in Malaysia, the Malays are undeveloped because they have been colonized by various western super powers ranging from Portugese, Dutch and British for nearly 500 years! Before the imperialism, the Malays are also regarded as an advance race an the Mallaca Empire is known throughout the world ranging from Europe to Japan.

Rise and fall is inevitable...the question is how we can achieve back what we have lost. That's what modern muslims nowdays tried to achieve and by the will of God we will succeed.

Presa1200

Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 24-2-2007 07:51 PM
Well said bro..well said..

For instance in Malaysia, the Malays are undeveloped because they have been colonized by various western super powers ranging from Portugese, Dutch and British fo ...

Thanks bro, you got your point there too...

Old melacca and the whole malay peninsular was governed by Islamic syariah. people live in harmony because their rights are well protected by the Justice of Islamic laws.

Unfortunately, european powers began to interfere the peaceful land and created alot of problems. They are so greedy of local treasures. If malaya wasn't a great country, why should those european get attracted? Think.

Islamic Party was the first who protected the malayan community especially the muslim against those interfered powers. Malaysia no need to gain independence from British because the rights of independence has already belongs to the malaysian. And now it has been 50 years being cheated by its own government. Because the government willing to follow the western rather than loosing the name of true Islam.

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Presa1200

Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 24-2-2007 07:51 PM
Well said bro..well said..

For instance in Malaysia, the Malays are undeveloped because they have been colonized by various western super powers ranging from Portugese, Dutch and British fo ...

Muslim will be successful only if they aware of the importance of being a TRUE MUSLIM who fear nothing but Allah.

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 08:08 PM


Muslim will be successful only if they aware of the importance of being a TRUE MUSLIM who fear nothing but Allah.

I agreed with you..that is the hardest part in reviving the glory of Islam in numerous fields...

As you can see...when we Muslims want to learn our past and achievement, they belittle us as if we are not contributing anything in the developments of human civilisation...but if we just sat down and do nothing, they called us lazy and a potential terrorists...ape la nasib kita nie yek?

Presa1200

Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 24-2-2007 08:20 PM


I agreed with you..that is the hardest part in reviving the glory of Islam in numerous fields...

As you can see...when we Muslims want to learn our past and achievement, they belittle us  ...

It's ok. Most of them are very forgetful for what islam civilization contributed. They didn't notice the knowledge they gained nowadays and some part of it are from islamic discovery. At least we being a muslim we do appreciate all of the beneficial contribution from any races and religion including Islam.

I guess most of them are skipping history class when they reached the chapter "Islamic Civilization or Tamadun Islam". They rather prefer other topics related to the corruption of european countries but not the Islamic Civilization chapter. Well this is normal, very often happenings as they hate islam so much.

Just for example when Prophet Muhammad preached the Justice of Islam and oneness of Allah, everybody says he is the terrorist leader. But when european kings oppressed the weak, killed the innocent, and praticed injustice to the nations, everybody loves it very much.

In fact, they have missed a chance to witness the glory of Islam.

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rurouni_khairul

Hmm..No wonder they always regard the crusaders as heroes whereas in reality they are the most brutal terrorrists invaded Jerusalem and slaughter not only muslims, but also Jews and Orthodox Christians.

Their hatred towards Islam is intolerable to he extent that anything with an Islamic tag on it is considered as evil, blasphemous and dangerous...

I personally hoped that this attitude of thinking will change in the distant future.

Presa1200

Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 24-2-2007 08:46 PM
Hmm..No wonder they always regard the crusaders as heroes whereas in reality they are the most brutal terrorrists invaded Jerusalem and slaughter not only muslims, but also Jews and Orthodox Chri ...

Haha.... thanks to the western media . What they believe is from where it comes from. Well since they love so much the western fairy tales, then let them just be with it.

The most important we know where are we and our destination is Allah.

When the time reaches the glory of Islam again, more and more people will convert to Islam willingly.

Allah will replace the disqualified muslim(murtad) with the more quality one. Just like when a car's sparepart getting  useless, we throw it and replace a new one.

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Debmey

Lets put things in perspective here.

This thread started with boasts about how glorious Islamic culture WAS.

The truth is, Islamic culture was never the best at any time in history. Not then, definitely not now.
If islamic culture is superior by any sense, after almost 1400 years why are Muslims not able to exploit it even in this internet age?
The logic is, islamic culture is not the best and will never be the best.
Muslims shld stop making excuses and start to learn from others and also to abandon those islamic teachings that are clearly destructive.

Even in msia today, muslims are clinging on to a racist policy that clearly does not work.
Yet, we do not see the islamic leaders oppose such racism.
Can anyone be faulted for beleiving that islamic culture is in fact inferior?

Originally posted by Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 07:45 PM


You can say western countries has advanced technology but you cannot say it will last forever.

i didnt say that, you did.

A great empire will soon falls, nothing will last. Except for those who really follow God.

we'll just have to wait and see now dont we.

Islamic community contributed many critical knowledge that still beingused in modern calculation and application. Without them i don't thinkyou can solving algebra and trigo equations.

i do believe algebra was invented by the babylonian.

The origins of algebra can be traced to the ancient Babylonians,[1] who developed an advanced arithmetical system with which they were able to do calculations in an algebraic fashion. With the use ofthis system they were able to apply formulas and calculate solutions for unknown values for a class of problems typically solvedtoday by using linear equations, quadraticequations, and indeterminate linear equations. By contrast, mostEgyptians of this era, and most Indian, Greek and Chinese mathematicians in the first millennium BC,usually solved such equations by geometric methods, such as those described in theRhind Mathematical Papyrus, SulbaSutras, Euclid's Elements, and The Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art. The geometric work of theGreeks, typified in the Elements, provided the framework for generalizing formulae beyond the solution of particularproblems into more general systems of stating and solving equations.

http://www.answers.com/aljebra

Presa1200

Originally posted by me at 24-2-2007 10:50 PM

i didnt say that, you did.

well, i just inform you. It's your rights to believe.

we'll just have to wait and see now dont we.

sure you are most welcomed. In fact we don't know what will happened next right?

i do believe algebra was invented by the babylonian.

that's your own choice of belief. we don't force you to believe.

[ Last edited by  Presa1200 at 25-2-2007 12:54 AM ]

Debmey

Its a fact mister muslim. Algebra did not come from muslims and you muslims love to boast about it.

Islamic culture is in fact inferior and nothing to boast about.

rurouni_khairul

I agreed with you that Islam is not the only glorious civilisation ever existed. The muslims even learned from other civilisation like the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians, the Indians and the Chinese and by combining all the knowledge once existed and flourished in the classical ages the Muslims has once become the most advance civilisation in the world while the Europeans sunked in the dark ages!

You must realised that this is a historical fact and confirmed by Europes scholars. We do not just simply boost our past but it is a fact.

The muslims downturn was occured during the fall of Baghdad and Spain in the 12th century and at that time, Baghdad and Spain were consider as the most advance civilisation at that time. The fall of both kingdoms leads a flow of knowledge from the hands of muslims to the Europeans and finally they are able to get out from the dark ages.

We realised that there are other civilisation which contributed to the world's developments besides the Islamic civilisation. However, non-muslims cannot deny the fact that muslims also has contributed to civilisation and we are not just a bunch of terrorists who always cause trouble.

I hope I made my opinion clear enough.

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 01:08 AM
If islamic culture is so advanced, why are islamic societies so immoral, chaotic and poor.

Because they fail to follow Islam!

- MENJ