A Convenant that never happened

Debmey · Post time 15-2-2007 02:48 PM

The highest point on Singapore is more than 100m above sea level. So what kind of flood does it need to be to cover the entire Singapore?

Show all posts · Post time 15-2-2007 02:55 PM

Ooh thats just my own thought and imagination from watching too much movies.

Why not Singapore island being swallowed?, is that impossible according to your God?

Show all posts · Post time 15-2-2007 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 14-2-2007 03:05 PM
Which is more believable, in the holy Quran, the flood was described as localized, i.e it only happened during Prophet Nuh (pbuh) time, not universal as proven from archeological sources!

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After the flood, 83 people were saved including plant, animals, all creatures including jinny etc.
Masyaa Allah!

I think you all treated alQuraan or for that matter, Bible also, as history book.

Salam

Show all posts · Post time 15-2-2007 03:14 PM

Originally posted by pooja_1 at 15-2-2007 03:05 PM

After the flood, 83 people were saved including plant, animals, all creatures including jinny etc.
Masyaa Allah!

I think you all treated alQuraan or for that matter, Bible also, as hist ...

Thats what you think only dear!

Show all posts · Post time 15-2-2007 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 15-2-2007 03:14 PM
Thats what you think only dear!

If I were to rephrase my earlier response to

After the flood, 83 people are saved including plant, animals, all creatures including jinny etc.

I guess it is still hold.... borrowing the 2 kalimah translation

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

I may be wrong. Salam

Show all posts · Post time 15-2-2007 04:36 PM

Salam Pooja.

Just a slight confusion on your phrase. Nothing to it.

BTW, the survivors that you mentioned were together with Prophet Noah (pbuh) on the ark.

Debmey · Post time 15-2-2007 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 15-2-2007 02:55 PM
Ooh thats just my own thought and imagination from watching too much movies.
Why not Singapore island being swallowed?, is that impossible according to your God?

You mean the flood in the Quran cannot even cover all of Singapore?

Show all posts · Post time 16-2-2007 01:25 PM

Debmey playing blur.

Tiny island, what to expect. According to your bilble, already dissapeared.

Debmey · Post time 16-2-2007 02:28 PM

So how high must the flood be to completely cover Singapore?

eastrun · Post time 21-2-2007 06:36 PM

Debmey,

See the verses translate into Bahasa Melayu, which I obtained from www.einjil.com:

Maka Kuadakan perjanjian-Ku dengan kamu, bahwa sejak ini tidak ada yang hidupan yang akan dilenyapkan oleh air bah lagi, dan tidak akan ada lagi air bah untuk memusnahkan bumi."(Genesis 9:11)

If you see the translation, it didn't mentioned that all flesh(SEMUA HIDUPAN) but it does mentioned HIDUPAN, which meant not all flesh,

So, now, tell me, how many HIDUPAN already died because of flood?.

Well, don't ask me why the translated verse is differ than the English one. That...you have to ask your scholars

Another thing is, no matter how high the flood is...it was not mentioned in the Holy Quran, but the thing is, My Allah didn't make any convenant about that. So, my scripture is free from false convenant

Hehehe

[ Last edited by eastrun at 21-2-2007 06:37 PM ]

Debmey · Post time 21-2-2007 06:40 PM

Firstly, I don't undestand malay. I can't tell whether what you claim about differing translation is true or not.

Secondly, the start of the thread began with an english verse. We debate based on the premise of what was started and we shld stick with it. and based on that premise, the prophecy is being fulfilled, contrary to what you muslim polemics charged.

What else?

eastrun · Post time 22-2-2007 05:48 PM

You don't understand Malay?.That's ok. But let me explain to you in English.The verse when translated into Malay, the meaning is: NO LIVING THINGS WILL BE KILLED BY THE FLOOD.This is the translation in MALAY when directly translated from Hebrew.

When the verse translated from Hebrew to English, unfortunately the meaning differ. In English:
"neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood"

So, I asked you, which translation is true?. All FLESH or just LIVING THINGS only..The difference is the existence of the word ALL.

So, the convenant is not fulfilled because lots of living things has been killed by the flood. There is no polemics charged. That's the truth.

Maybe your scholars contradicted each other.

Debmey · Post time 22-2-2007 10:28 PM

we started the thread based on the English verses didn't we? we shld then stick with it.

If indeed the malay translation say what you claimed, its a wrong translation then. period.

WLIO · Post time 23-2-2007 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Debmey at 22-2-2007 10:28 PM
we started the thread based on the English verses didn't we? we shld then stick with it.

If indeed the malay translation say what you claimed, its a wrong translation then. period.

Same like your bible !

kharrrr kharrrr kharrrr

Debmey · Post time 23-2-2007 03:26 AM

you see, muslims need to shift goal posts and make false claims to debate. its all dispalyed on this thread for all to see.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha........................

cheers

WLIO · Post time 23-2-2007 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Debmey at 23-2-2007 03:26 AM
you see, muslims need to shift goal posts and make false claims to debate. its all dispalyed on this thread for all to see.

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha........................

cheers

say who ?

kharrrr kharrr kharrrrr

Debmey · Post time 24-2-2007 01:10 AM

says me.

You are stuck even in your attack on the Bible. thatsb why yoy need to resort to heckling.

WLIO · Post time 24-2-2007 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 01:10 AM
says me.

You are stuck even in your attack on the Bible. thatsb why yoy need to resort to heckling.

I'm stuck sorry u got a wrong guy

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