Dr M: No such thing as a moderate Muslim

Originally posted by Debmey at 18-9-2006 09:17 AM
Ten fold? How did you come up with such a figure?

Seems like you don't even know islamic history menj.

All the world wars, the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition are Christian 'deeds'.. so is whats happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon

Debmey

All the jihads including world wars include muslims. Thats even worst

bzzts

we should thank him for posting the article... :bgrin:

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 15/9/2006 22:56
The muslims who are classified as moderates are no muslims at all. They do not understand and follow the Quran and hadiths.

ku klux klan---> what have they done to black Americans???

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 18-9-2006 09:17 AM
Ten fold? How did you come up with such a figure?

Seems like you don't even know islamic history menj.

Crusades
Inqusition
First World War
Second World War
Witch-hunting of the Middle Ages
Black slavery
Iraq
Afghanistan
Lebanon

Ten-fold.

- MENJ

Debmey

Where are the figures?

I didn't see you mention the jihads.

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-9-2006 12:03 AM
Where are the figures?

Millions.

I didn't see you mention the jihads.

Perhaps because it was not an atrocity and we dont uproot people from their lands?

- MENJ

Debmey

Muslims killed 80 million people in India thru jihad, all teh world wars can't beat that. And thats only in India.

BTW, Muslims were inviolved in the holocaust of Jews too during WW2 and still want another holocaust of Jews if they can.

peace

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-9-2006 11:09 AM
Muslims killed 80 million people in India thru jihad, all teh world wars can't beat that. And thats only in India.

And you pulled out that figure out of, where? Your Islamophobic friends at AI and FFI?

BTW, Muslims were inviolved in the holocaust of Jews too during WW2 and still  ...

I see, so Hitler and Mussolini were Muslims. What a laugh!

- MENJ

Debmey

Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in "Negation in India"

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..

Who were Hitler and Mussolini? Friends of Muslims.

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-9-2006 12:32 PM
Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that c ...

Maybe Nick can enlighten us more on this in relation to the holocaust.:nerd:

Back with the 揻irestone

Debmey

The holocaust? You mean the one that Muslims were involved with thru Al Husseini? I wonder how old Benedict was at that time.

Old enough to be in the Nazi youth movement. It was said that he had insulted the Jews. No wonder Nick posted the pix above.

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-9-2006 12:32 PM
Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that c ...

Ismail Faruqi said as follows:

Following the conquest of India by Muhammad bin Qasim in 91/711, the Muslims faced new religions that they had never known before, Buddhism and Hinduism. Both religions co-existed in Sind and the Punjab, the regions conquered by Muslims and joined to the Islamic state. Muhammad bin Qasim sought instruction from the caliph in Damascus on how to treat Hindus and Buddhists. They appeared to worship idols, and their doctrines were at the farthest remove from Islam. Their founders were unheard of by Muslims. The Caliph called a council of ulam⠡nd asked them to render judgment on the basis of the governor? report. The judgment was that as long as Hindus and Buddhists did not fight the Islamic state, as long as they paid the jizyah or tax due, they must be free to worship their gods as they please, to maintain their temples, and to determine their lives by the precepts of their faith. Thus, the same status as that of the Jews and Christians was accorded to them.

The principle governing Islam and Islamic governmental relations with other religions and their adherents had thus been established. It was implemented as the Islamic state entered into relations with those adherents, a process that took place either during the Prophet? life or very soon after it. When the shari?h crystallized in prescriptive form, the status, rights, and obligations of Muslim and non-Muslim citizens were already included. For fourteen centuries in many places, or less because of a later arrival of Islam or the imposition of Western law by colonial administrations, the shari?h successfully governed Muslim non-Muslim relations. It created a modus vivendi which enabled the non-Muslims to perpetuate themselves - hence their continuing presence in the Muslim world - and to achieve felicity as defined by their own faiths.

http://ismailfaruqi.net/content/view/25/2/

This is enough to refute your pack of lies above.

- MENJ

MENJ

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-9-2006 02:05 PM
The holocaust? You mean the one that Muslims were involved with thru Al Husseini? I wonder how old Benedict was at that time.

I suppose you mean the one involving Pope Pius XII. Here are some pictures which gives evidence that the Christians were working together with Hitler:











Now how do you feel about this?

- MENJ

13Friday

they are always confused or ignorant.


only menj - the javanese knows best here.

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by 13Friday at 24-9-2006 07:49 PM
they are always confused or ignorant.


only menj - the javanese knows best here.

C,mon ok, no more racial remarks about Javanese. Can't we all get along?

yusmar

Originally posted by 13Friday at 17-9-2006 06:00 AM
quite quiet on Mahathir remarks,


but so hot on Pope message of truth.

What is there to make noise about.....Tun  made sense and thank u for posting the article. its a sign that u r beginning to understand that Islam is not evil.

Debmey

I think mahathir never studied the quran and hadiths before

yusmar

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-11-2006 10:02 PM
I think mahathir never studied the quran and hadiths before

Well....I believe Tun knows more about the Quran and hadiths more than you....and I heard you are a S'porean.....so save your comments to yourself.

You are not a muslim....all u can do is to try and change the muslims mind about Quran through what ever little u know about the Quran. you can interpret it how u want it....u can say whatever u want about Quran....but for the believers....we believe in Allah, the prophet and the Quran. Alhamdullillah for all the insult that has been thrown to the muslims and Islam.

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