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Post time 12-10-2013 09:15 AM | Show all posts
am. posted on 10-10-2013 02:56 PM
sebelum kita pergi kepada hadith, lebih baik kita rujuk Al Quran dulu sebab syiah lebih kuat berpe ...

yg ni ajaran Quran Syiah yg mana?



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Post time 12-10-2013 10:05 AM | Show all posts
Isle yang syumul pun ada nikah mutaah gak ... tapi versi versi Sunni wal islami. Tapi sebab yang buat tu geng2 Sunni wal Syumul, jadi ustaz2 wahabi jarang cerita dan kat suratkabar pun jarang keluar..

http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=508308

LUAR NEGARA

900 anak hasil kahwin lelaki Saudi dan wanita Mesir terabai


JEDDAH: Kira-kira 900 kanak-kanak yang dilahirkan hasil daripada perkahwinan wanita Mesir dengan lelaki Arab Saudi yang dikenali sebagai perkahwinan 'misfar' diabaikan bapa mereka.

Demikian didedahkan seorang aktivis Mesir dalam forum pemerdagangan manusia baru-baru ini.

Berucap dalam persidangan di Mesir, Pengerusi Badan Amanah Yayasan Keamanan dan Pembangunan Maat, Encik Aiman Abu Akeel, berkata majoriti lelaki yang melawat Mesir bagi perkahwinan 'misfar' terdiri daripada rakyat Saudi, diikuti rakyat Iraq.
Wanita yang dikahwini mereka pula rata-rata gadis muda.

Perkahwinan 'misfar' merujuk kepada kontrak penyatuan yang membolehkan wanita hidup bersama lelaki yang berada di negara mereka dalam tempoh tertentu.

Wanita itu selalunya diceraikan dalam jangka waktu singkat dari seminggu hingga sebulan, lapor akhbar Mesir Al-Yaum Al Sabi.

Berucap dalam forum sama, penganjur program antipemerdagangan gadis Mesir, Encik Azza Al-Jazaar, berkata gadis muda yang terbabit dengan perkahwinan 'misfar' tidak tahu mereka dilayan seperti barang dagangan.

Bapa mereka dibayar 4,000 pound Mesir ($910) supaya mengahwinkan anak mereka dan kebanyakan yang menjadi mangsa adalah gadis di bawah usia 16 tahun.

Statistik menunjukkan sesetengah perkahwinan 'misfar' bertahan kurang daripada sebulan, manakala 90 peratus lelaki Saudi meninggalkan anak yang lahir hasil daripada perkahwinan 'misfar'. -- Agensi.
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Post time 12-10-2013 10:08 AM | Show all posts
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Tunisian girls head Syria offer Islamic fighters sexual jihad.


At least 13 Tunisian girls reportedly travelled to rebel-held Northern Syria to offer themselves as sex workers to opposition fighters.

The report comes as concerns in Tunisia grow about religious orders or 'fatwas' that have circulated the internet calling on women to perform jihad through sex.

Last week, a Tunisian minister of religious affairs appealed to girls not to be influenced by Islamic preachers outside of Tunisia who, it has been reported, made a number of 'sexual fatwas'.

Reports from suggest 13 girls travelled to the rebel-held North to offer themselves as sex workers
Noureddine al-Khadimi rejected 'sexual jihad' fatwas, urging Tunisian people and state institutions to not respond to them.

Tunisian newspapers reported that a young Tunisian man divorced his wife, and that they both headed to Syria almost a month ago to 'allow her to engage in sexual jihad with the mujahideen' there.

This report followed earlier ones of a video widely circulated on the internet and social websites in Tunisia shows the parents of a veiled girl called Rahmah, 17.

They said Rahmahat disappeared from home one morning and they 'later learned that she had headed to Syria to carry out sexual jihad.'  

The young girl has since returned to her family, who have kept her out of sight, and said that their daughter is not a religious fanatic 'but was influenced by her fellow students who are known for their affiliation with the jihadist Salafist.'

Her parents said these fellow students may have brainwashed her and convinced her to travel to Syria 'to support the mujahideen there.'

Such stories are becoming more common in Tunisia and parents are concerned about the influence charismatic Islamic leaders in other Arab countries can wield over their children.

There are concerns in Tunisia about the influence of online videos calling for women to engage in a 'sexual jihad'.



The minister’s statements came after the spread of an anonymous 'sexual jihad' fatwa on the Internet calling on young women to support [opposition] fighters in Syria by providing sexual services on the battlefield.
According to media reports in Tunisia who quoted mujahideen returning to Tunisia after participating in jihad in Syria, 13 Tunisian girls headed to the battlefield in response to the 'sexual jihad' fatwa.
News websites and social networks in Tunisia circulated a fatwa attributed to Sheikh Mohamed al-Arifi  in which he calls upon 'Muslim women' to perform jihad through sex.
However, sources close to the sheikh denied that he had issued the fatwa, stressing that anyone who circulates or believes it is insane.
Saudi Arabia is widely known to be financially backing the Syrian rebels fighting in Northern Syria and whose hardcore ‘Salafist’ strand of Islam influences a great number of the young fighters – many of whom are ‘jihadists’ and come from all around the world, including the UK.
Reports in Tunisia stress though that the fatwa had gained much attention on pro-Syrian regime websites, the goal of which may be to tarnish the image of the Islamic fighters by stressing a key point of Syrian leader Bashar Al Assad that fundamentalists, supported by Salafist groups in Saudi Arabia, are amongst the Syrian rebels.

A Syrian opposition fighter runs for cover from Syrian army snipers.

A Syrian opposition fighter runs for cover from Syrian army snipers. Tunisian have appealed to girls to ignore then 'sexual jihad' internet calls. Al-Hadi Yahmad, a researcher on the affairs of Islamic groups, told Al-Hayat: 'The issue of sexual jihad was initially attributed to a Saudi sheikh who denied it, and this fatwa is abnormal and not endorsed by religious scholars.'

He added that this fatwa — had it indeed been issued — may involve Syrian girls living in Syria, who can 'support the mujahideen by marrying them for a few hours.'

Under Islamic law, a man can marry and consummate a marriage with his bride, before divorcing her the next day without any resistance from the bride or her family simply by following religious etiquette.
Noor Eddin al-Khadimi, said that Tunisians should not abide by the fatwa.

Her calls were duplicated by the Tunisian opposition also.

Salma al-Raqiq, a Tunisian opposition figure, said that the 'jihad marriages' were a disgrace for the Tunisians.
She also called on the authorities to start dealing with the increasing phenomenon of Tunisian jihadis heading to Syria to join radical Islamist groups.

Al-Raqiq told the UPI press agency that the phenomenon was a dangerous one. She said that young girls, including minors, have been sent to Syria to 'marry' jihadis for a few hours.


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Post time 12-10-2013 10:47 AM | Show all posts
Aliaskotonggo posted on 12-10-2013 10:05 AM
Isle yang syumul pun ada nikah mutaah gak ... tapi versi versi Sunni wal islami. Tapi sebab yang bua ...
Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh (gambar), mufti besar Arab Saudi , memberi amaran tentang perkahwinan misfar yang katanya tidak ubah seperti perkahwinan “mutaa” yang dilakukan untuk memenuhi nafsu secara tidak sah. Al-Asheikh berkata bahawa perjalanan ke luar Negara untuk berkahwin dengan niat menceraikannya apabila pulang tidak dibenarkan Syara’, kerana ia mempunyai kesan yang buruk ke atas masyarakat, perempuan dan anak-anak yang terhasil dari hubungan seperti itu.

Mana ada dibenarkan oleh Syara'.... memandai la ko... Tu semua kerja puak2 syiah la tu...
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Post time 12-10-2013 11:27 AM | Show all posts
Anakdesa posted on 12-10-2013 10:47 AM
Mana ada dibenarkan oleh Syara'.... memandai la ko... Tu semua kerja puak2 syiah la tu...

laa syiah ghupernya yang buat nikah misyar misfar ni ye...

"Pernikahan misyar  dibenarkan di Arab Saudi oleh fatwa yang diberikan oleh Sheikh Abdul Azeez ibn Abdullaah ibn Baaz dan secara rasminya diperundangkan di Mesir oleh Imam Sheikh Muhammad Sayid Tantawy pada tahun 1999. Di sebalik fatwa tersebut nikah misyar ditentang oleh ulama-ulama dari Universiti Al-Azhar di Kaherah."



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Post time 12-10-2013 11:32 AM | Show all posts
Aliaskotonggo posted on 12-10-2013 11:27 AM
laa syiah ghupernya yang buat nikah misyar misfar ni ye...

"Pernikahan misyar  dibenarkan di Ar ...

Tu pak Sheikh Arab Saudi dah bagi warning.... ikutje la versi terkini... Memandai je ko...
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Post time 12-10-2013 12:05 PM | Show all posts
Anakdesa posted on 12-10-2013 11:32 AM
Tu pak Sheikh Arab Saudi dah bagi warning.... ikutje la versi terkini... Memandai je ko...

oooo...nampaknya Pak2 arab yang dok bermisyar kat oversea tu ikut patwa syeikh2 arab yang lain lah tu. Mungkin depa tetap bertaqlid pada Almarhum Ayatullah Sheikh Abdul Azeez ibn Abdullaah ibn Baaz gamoknye....

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Post time 12-10-2013 04:13 PM | Show all posts
Ader beberapa "persamaan" dan "perbezaan" antara nikah mutaah dgn nikah misyar..
Salah satu aku dah sebut kat post sblm ni..
Aku nak cerita beberapa perbezaan dulu..

Lelaki boleh "menghadiahkan" perempuan mutaah kpd lelaki lain tanpa persetujuan pihak perempuan..
(Nanti aku cari hujah yg kata nikah misyar pun buat benda yg sama -kalau ada)
Nikah mutaah pulak memadai dgn 1 persetubuhan..
Nikah mutaah tak perlu wali dan tak perlu diwar2kan..
Mlm ni mutaah dgn si A..esok boleh mutaah dgn si B..and so on..


Sepatutnya anak2 yg lahir dari zuriat seorg lelaki wajib mendapat nafkah dr bapanya..
Tak kisah lar hang nak bermutaah ka..nak bermisyat ka..
Kalau jenis mutaah yg memadai sekadar sekali hubungan seks..
Bukan ke lebih bermasalah nak mengetahui siapa bapak budak tu ?

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Post time 12-10-2013 04:27 PM | Show all posts
ramai pulak syiah biol kat trid nih.
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Post time 12-10-2013 04:29 PM | Show all posts
arish9867 posted on 12-10-2013 09:07 AM
x perlu la ada hukum bagi khalwat dan zina
sebab bila2 bleh kawin mutaah mencelop dan cerai

Mutaah ka misyar ka nikah biasa ka..
Kalau dah dasar pencelup tak de agama dan takde tanggungjawab. .
Hujung cerita sama jea..

Maka lahirlah pejuang gay lesbo dan seangkatan dgnnya..
Senang cerita, "perkahwinan" adalah punca semua masalah..
Lelaki straight dan pompuan straight yg telah melahirkan mereka..
Jadi marilah mencelup lubang jooboo dan menjilat pooki

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Post time 12-10-2013 04:34 PM | Show all posts
tobby posted on 12-10-2013 04:27 PM
ramai pulak syiah biol kat trid nih.

Manusia2 keji ni sentiasa menyalahkan agama..
Benda yg halal pun bley jadek kacau ngan depa ni..

Ehh..aku tak kata kat syiah jea..
Aku cakap secara general..
Contohnya lelaki/perempuan straight yg nikah secara normal (bukan mutaah atau misyar)
Ramai jea yg abai tanggungjawab. .
Yg sepak terajang..
Yg berantakan..
Maka wujud lar group2 beraliran songsang..
Yg tak mau kawin nyer lar..
Yg gay nyer lar..
Yg fak fak guna dildo ikat kat pinggang nyer lagi..

Prrrrfffttttt
Last edited by karengkang on 12-10-2013 04:36 PM

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Post time 12-10-2013 05:04 PM | Show all posts
nabi menitik beratkan jauhi zina, hukum pengzina dan balasan zina secara jelas dan terang
kalo dah boleh nikah mutaah tentulah x ada sangat nabi nak sentuh pasal zina sbb nak nikah senang je.
bertemu/dating nikah muntah terus mencelup

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Post time 12-10-2013 11:51 PM | Show all posts
Aliaskotonggo posted on 12-10-2013 12:05 PM
oooo...nampaknya Pak2 arab yang dok bermisyar kat oversea tu ikut patwa syeikh2 arab yang lain lah ...

Tau takpe.... Orang kalau nak buat maksiat, macam2 alasan dan helahnya....

Jalan yang lurus sudah ditunjukkan... tetapi masih memilih jalan yang bengkang bengkok...

Jgn marah no...
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Post time 13-10-2013 01:10 AM | Show all posts
terfikir jugak..geng2 Iran yg datang menetap di Malaysia ni takde pulak siapa nk control yerk. Confirm2 depa tu syiah. Even Arab2 yg dtg sini pun ada yg penganut syiah.contohnya aku pernah satu bilik kt hostel dgn prempuan Iraq penganut syiah. Mmgla cara fikiran dan ibadah mereka lain, tpi kita mampu tgk ajerlah dah itu ajaran depa. nk ikut buat apa. Itu sebabnya tuhan kurniakan akal. Just wonderingla. nk control semua2 ni pd org Islam Malaysia jer mcm xmunasabah dgn duk pong pang kat tv ckp ajaran syiah tu songsang. Kalau betul2 nk banteras xyahla kasik org syiah masuk langsung. sbb dgn ramainya org2 syiah kt sini, even dr pergaulan dgn puak2 depa pun masyarakt kitapun boleh terpengaruh..
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Post time 16-10-2013 09:42 AM | Show all posts
tobby posted on 12-10-2013 09:15 AM
yg ni ajaran Quran Syiah yg mana?

sama macam kita samakan ayah pin dengan aswj. dalam syiah pun ada macam-macam aliran.
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Post time 16-10-2013 09:59 AM | Show all posts
karengkang posted on 11-10-2013 06:00 PM
Hadith2 yg ko quote ni (aku tak sempat check kesahihannya)..
Kita anggap 'sahih' jea dulu..
Takd ...
Hadith2 yg ko quote ni (aku tak sempat check kesahihannya)..
Kita anggap 'sahih' jea dulu..
Takde satu pun peristiwa perceraian tu berlaku disebabkan nabi suka2 nak seks dan suka2 nak cerai..
Setuju ke tidak ?
isunya bukan suka nak cerai atau nak seks.

isu di sini adalah nabi kahwin dan cerai pada masa yang singkat. sama macam muta'ah.

pada akhirnya, memang orang berkahwin salah satu tujuan adalah untuk seks.

Tambahan sket..
Hadith2 tersebut tak menunjukkan yg nabi SAW nikah secara mutaah pun..
Kalau ikut pemahaman aku lar kan..
pernikahan dan perceraian tersebut tidak seperti "style" org2 syiah bermutaah..
contoh (kalau salah sila tegur):
muta'ah pada masa nabi dulu dibenarkan. jangankan muta'ah, menala tawanan perang pun dibolehkan. menala hamba wanita pun buleh dan wujud pada zaman nabi.

sebab tu la aku tak faham kenapa orang nak "attack" nikah muta'ah tp tak "attack" menala tawanan perang / hamba wanita kalu kita cerita pasal morality di sini.

setahu aku, dalam syiah ni ada yang nikah ikut kontrak (ada jangkamasa dalam akad nikah) dan ada yang sama macam kita (nikah pastu kalu nak cerai depa cerai kalu perlu).

sebab tu kita tak buleh la pukul sama rata semua syiah ni sesat, atau semua sunni ni maksum belaka.

seorg lelaki tidak boleh menceraikan perempuan mutaahnya sblm habis tempoh "perjanjian"..
Namun, dia boleh "menghadiahkan" waktu mutaahnya kepada lelaki lain tanpa persetujuan si perempuan..
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ini yang aku katakan dari dulu lagi, pada permulaan thread di mana fitnah berleluasa dalam memburukkan mazhab yang lain. syiah memburukkan sunni kata sunni membelakangkan keluarga nabi (Ali r.a) dan sunni memburukkan syiah dgn apa yang kita selalu dengar "keburukan" syiah.

masalahnya kedua-dua sunni dan syiah masing-masing hanya merujuk kepada guru / ustaz / imam / kitab depa masing-masing sahaja dan menokok tambah benda yang tidak ada. Imam Syafie (sunni) pun dibunuh oleh puak sunni jugak (mazhab lain)

sebab tu nabi dah pesan, zaman nak kiamat nanti muslim ni umpama buih di lautan dan saling berpecah belah. hakikatnya takda sapa pun tau sunni ka syiah ka wahabi ka yang terpilih antara 73 golongan utk masuk ke syurga.

buleh jadi 1 golongan tu bukan sunni, syiah atau wahabi... atau buleh jadi wahabi, sunni dan syiah masing-masing ada pecahan dalam 1 golongan tu nanti.. kita cuma tunggu dan lihat..

sebab tu aku prefer untuk tidak katakan orang lain sesat ke hulu sesat ke hilir sebab aku bukan Tuhan.
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Post time 16-10-2013 10:11 AM | Show all posts
am. posted on 16-10-2013 09:42 AM
sama macam kita samakan ayah pin dengan aswj. dalam syiah pun ada macam-macam aliran.

ayah pin dah pupus pun. ni perayaan thaipusam syiah ni zaman berzaman & ramai pulak tu berduyun atas jalan.
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Post time 16-10-2013 10:53 AM | Show all posts
tobby posted on 16-10-2013 10:11 AM
ayah pin dah pupus pun. ni perayaan thaipusam syiah ni zaman berzaman & ramai pulak tu berduyun at ...

Ahmadiyah masih ada. serpihan al arqam masih ada.

btw, oleh sebab hang tanya jadi aku bagi rujukan pasal "pukul diri sendiri pada muharram" yang dilakukan oleh sebahagian kecil syiah. of course la macam biasa, walaupun aku kata sebahagian kecil, orang tetapi akan kata semua syiah buat benda ni. so, sebelum tu aku nak cerita dulu la sejarah benda ni.

The mourning and commemoration for Husayn ibn Ali originated in Iraq, as this is where Husayn was martyred. However, they were held in Iran as early as the twelfth century, when both Sunnis and Shias participated in them. In the Safavid period, the annual mourning ceremonies for Imam Hosayn, combined with the ritual cursing of his enemies, acquired the status of a national institution
Syiah buat tak buleh. Sunni buat buleh.

Jenis-jenis mourning.

How the event is mourned differs between different branches of Shia and different ethnic groups. The event is also observed by many Sunnis, but to a lesser extent, and as a time of remembrance, rather than mourning
di mana logiknya kalu depa sendiri ada pandangan yang berbeza dan cara yang berbeza kita nak labelkan dorang semua dalam satu bracket? ini jugak sama bila ada perbezaan pandangan di kalangan aswj itu sendiri.

kalu sunni buleh beza pendapat, syiah tak buleh?

Jadi di mana perbezaan tu, kat bawah ni aku akan tuliskan.

In the Twelver three traditional schools (Usooli, Akhbari, and Shaykhi), mourners, both male and female, congregate (in separate sections) for sorrowful, poetic recitations performed in memory of the death of Husayn, lamenting and grieving to the tune of beating drums and chants of "Ya Husayn." Passion plays are also performed, reenacting the Battle of Karbala and the suffering and death of Husayn at the hands of Yazid. They offer condolences to Imam-e-Zamana also known as Imam al-Mahdi whom they believe will avenge the blood of Husayn and bring justice to the world.
mazhab terbesar dalam syiah, mazhab imamiyah takda langsung pukul memukul tu, yang depa buat adalah apa yang aku underlined.

Bektashis and Alevis also mourn, and they keep themselves from eating and drinking ("fasting") the first 10–12 days of Muharram. In this period, the Alevis wear black clothes, do not shave themselves and avoid any type of entertainment and pleasure. Originally, it was also forbidden to bathe and change clothes during this period, but today most Alevis do not follow this rule. This is called "Muharrem Matemi", "Yas-i Muharrem" or "Muharrem orucu". But because it is also called "fasting", many people falsely think that Alevis celebrate the Muharram. The definition of the "fast" in this connection is different from the normal type of "fasting". Bektashis also greet each other by saying "Ya Imam! Ya Husayn."

mazhab lain dalam syiah (alevis dan bektashis) pun takda pukul diri sendiri.

The only Ismaili group which mourns are the Mustaali, who mourn similarly to the majority of Twelvers. Although, Nizari Ismaili commemorate Muharram through the tradition of not celebrating marriages, birthdays, and other religious celebrations during this time to show respect to there other Muslim brothers who are mourning.


Tabuiks (funeral biers) being lowered into the sea at a Muharram procession in West Sumatra, Indonesia
For the duration of the remembrance, it is customary for mosques to provide free meals (nazar) on certain nights of the month to all people. These meals are viewed as being special and holy, as they have been consecrated in the name of Imam Husayn, and thus partaking of them is considered an act of communion with Allah, Imam Husayn, and humanity.

sama gak, geng Ismali sama upacara macam Twelvers. kat atas tu pun takda yang pukul diri depa sendiri.

In South Asia, a number of literary and musical genres, produced by both Shias and Sunnis, that have been inspired by the Battle of Karbala are performed during the month, such as marsiya, noha and soaz. This is meant to increase the peoples understanding of how the enemies fought The Battle of Karbala against Husayn and his followers. In Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica all ethnic and religious communities participate in the event, locally known as "Hosay" or "Hussay"[citation needed]. In Indonesia, the event is known as Tabuik (Minangkabau language) or Tabut (Indonesian).

takda tulis pukul diri sendiri.

jadi definasi pukul diri sendiri ni dipanggil sebagai matam.

Matam[edit]


Zanjir(Chain) used for 'Zanjir matam'
The Arabic term matam refers in general to any act or gesture of mourning; in Shia Islam the term designates acts of lamentation for the martyrs of Karbala.[1] Many of the male and female participants congregate in public for ceremonial chest beating (matam) as a display of their devotion to Imam Husayn and in remembrance of his suffering.[2] In some Shi'a societies, such as those in Bahrain, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan and Iraq, some male participants incorporate knives or razors swung upon chains into their matam. There are two basic forms of matam:[3][4][5]
matam using one's hands only, that is, sineh-zani or breast-beating
matam with implements like chains, knives, swords and blades, that is, zanjeer-zani, qama-zani, etc.
Matam in South Asia is the most significant and sensitive Shia identity marker.

Ha.. kat sini baru ada pasal matam, perkataan "many", "some" dan "Bahrain, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan dan Iraq" tidak merujuk kepada semua pecahan dalam mazhab syiah.

dan satu lagi, yang hang kata syiah ni macam thaipusam mungkin hang maksudkan Ta'ziya

One form of mourning is the theatrical re-enactment of the Battle of Karbala. In Iran this is called taziya or taziyeh. Theatrical groups that specialize in taziya are called taziya groups.[6] Taziyas were popular through the Qajar dynasty until the early twentieth century, but the re-enactments slowly declined until they were mostly abandoned in the large cities by the early 1940s. Nonetheless, taziyas continued to exist in Iran on a smaller scale especially in more rural and traditional areas. Reza Shah, the first of the Pahlavi dynasty, had outlawed taziyas. Despite some attempts since 1979, Muharram processions and various forms of the rawza khani are still more common.[7]



Secara kesimpulan, hanya minoriti syiah je yang lakukan apa yang hang kata sebagai mana hanya minority Sunni adalah Ahmadiah, Ayah Pin dan Al-Arqam.

Untuk kita pukul sama rata, tanpa langsung melihat kepada fakta, adalah suatu benda fitnah yang nyata. Allah tak suka kepada manusia yang membuat fitnah.



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Post time 16-10-2013 02:05 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
am. posted on 16-10-2013 10:53 AM
Ahmadiyah masih ada. serpihan al arqam masih ada.

btw, oleh sebab hang tanya jadi aku bagi r ...

Minoriti ke jadah ribu2 atas jln sambut thaipusam syiah tiap tahun
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Post time 16-10-2013 08:58 PM | Show all posts
am. posted on 16-10-2013 09:59 AM
isunya bukan suka nak cerai atau nak seks.

isu di sini adalah nabi kahwin dan cerai pada masa  ...
isunya bukan suka nak cerai atau nak seks.

isu di sini adalah nabi kahwin dan cerai pada masa yang singkat. sama macam muta'ah.

pada akhirnya, memang orang berkahwin salah satu tujuan adalah untuk seks.

nabi nikah dan cerai bukan sebab mutaah...kan ?
ada tak hadith yg menunjukkan yg nabi bermutaah ?
hat tu yg aku tanya sebenarnya..
hat hadith2 yg hang letak tu, "pemahaman" org jea yg mengatakan peristiwa tu "seolah2" sama seperti mutaah..

muta'ah pada masa nabi dulu dibenarkan. jangankan muta'ah, menala tawanan perang pun dibolehkan. menala hamba wanita pun buleh dan wujud pada zaman nabi.

sebab tu la aku tak faham kenapa orang nak "attack" nikah muta'ah tp tak "attack" menala tawanan perang / hamba wanita kalu kita cerita pasal morality di sini.
aku rasa hang dah keliru bab nikah dengan bab hamba ni...
diharap hang tak pukul rata bab ni...
pasal ada org yg pikir, kalau wanita hamba Allah bagek izin utk ditala...
(dalam Quran byk surah yg halalkan menala wanita hamba)
apsal bab mutaah ni org persoalkan pulak...kat mana yg peliknya ? (kata mereka lah kan)

sebelum kita pergi lebih jauh lagi dan lari dari tajuk..
aku rasa baik aku perjelaskan dulu secara ringkas bab wanita hamba ni...
sebelum islam diutus kepada nabi SAW, perhambaan ni mmg dah pun ada..
malah, sebelum kedatangan islam takde "situasi yg tertentu" yg boleh mengelakkan seseorang tu jadek hamba..
maknanya...sesiapa pun boleh dijadikan hamba samada diculik, dirampas dan sebagainya..
bila mai islam, baru lar islam bataskan...hamba yg dibolehkan hanyalah tawanan perang..
"perang" yg dirujuk dalam Quran tu adalah perang utk mempertahankan agama...
tak boleh "perang" disbbkan merebut kekayaan dunia atau perang disebabkan berebut takhta...
ATAU, kalau ader org jual hamba di pasaran gelap pastu hang beli..
hamba yg tu tak halal utk ditala lar...
got it ?

dalam bab hamba wanita, hanya TUANnya sahaja yg boleh/dihalalkan menala perempuan tersebut..
anak tuan ka, sepupu tuan ka, adik beradik tuan ka...tak boleh..nehiii..
jadi, kalau lar selepas wanita tu ditala oleh tuannya dan beliau mengandung..
kat situ baru lar hikmah sebenar penghalalan ni kita nampak...

ishkk nak cerita bab ni panjang beb..
waktu islam datang syariat yg dibawa tu, Allah turunkan satu persatu..
sama gak cam kes nikah...zaman sebelum nabi SAW takde limit brape ramai org boleh nikah...
hang nak nikah sampai 800 org sekaligus pun boleh (kalau larat)..
time nabi SAW jea barulah Allah kasi limit sampai 4..

mai puak2 pening, suka suki menambah itu ini...nak sesuaikan dengan nafsu buas depa

setahu aku, dalam syiah ni ada yang nikah ikut kontrak (ada jangkamasa dalam akad nikah) dan ada yang sama macam kita (nikah pastu kalu nak cerai depa cerai kalu perlu).

sebab tu kita tak buleh la pukul sama rata semua syiah ni sesat, atau semua sunni ni maksum belaka.

cuba hang cerita sikit apa rukun2 nikah mutaah ni..
sblm ni aku dah cerita perbezaan (dr apa yg aku tau)
mungkin aku salah, hang boleh betulkan...

ini yang aku katakan dari dulu lagi, pada permulaan thread di mana fitnah berleluasa dalam memburukkan mazhab yang lain. syiah memburukkan sunni kata sunni membelakangkan keluarga nabi (Ali r.a) dan sunni memburukkan syiah dgn apa yang kita selalu dengar "keburukan" syiah.

masalahnya kedua-dua sunni dan syiah masing-masing hanya merujuk kepada guru / ustaz / imam / kitab depa masing-masing sahaja dan menokok tambah benda yang tidak ada. Imam Syafie (sunni) pun dibunuh oleh puak sunni jugak (mazhab lain)
aku sangat menyokong kalau dialog2 sunni-syiah di malaysia ni dibuat..
seelok2nya buat live kat dalam TV...setiap hari pun takpe..
tapi, niat tu utk mencari kebenaran lar...bukan bertikam lidah sebab nak menang...
panggil pakar hadith sunni dan panggil pakar hadith syiah...
fight lar korang dengan segala fakta yg ada..
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