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Mcm ada yg ckp sblm ni, Terrex pon xde sape nak jugak dulu
Aku xtau RM8 bil tu apa intipatinya. so xbole nak cakap.
Tp just imagine kalo nak bli lesen, buat RnD dari platform yg lagi popular, battle proven, ramai user rasa2 lebey kurang je ke harga ngan RnD Pars?
Boxer tu multinational project. Ingat murah ke nak bli lesen buat kat sini?
Patria, multi user platform. tgh laku macam tu kompem lagi mahal.
So mgkn Pars ni terbaik dari segi utk buat RnD. walopon aku rasa mgkn xbyk sgt beza local version nnt physically. habis2 maybe tuka right hand drive ke hape
bole kata blessing in disguise la.
Cuma macam yg lain2, sume pon nak tau bg setiap sen RM8bil tu nnt, utk apa ia digunakan |
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Mcm ada yg ckp sblm ni, Terrex pon xde sape nak jugak dulu
Aku xtau RM8 bil tu apa intipatinya. s ...
StealthTuah Post at 22-4-2010 13:31 
betul bro....ape kata kita wait & see je....jgn mengondem terlalu awal... |
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Reply 315# hyazinth79
Kalau aspek R&D aku kena akui Mesia mmg kurang ummph, sejauh ni akademia/industri kita hanya mampu keluarkan produk tongkat ali dan kacip fatimah je dari berbeliyon2 duit IRPA dan Dana R&D bawah MOSTI selama lebih dua Rancangan Malaysia..jgn haraplah nak keluarkan APC/IFV bagai |
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Reply 320# lkick2113
ok bro... |
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WGR Malaysia JP Inc mana lak nih....
tiba-tiba jer..... |
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Indonesian-made armoured vehicles for Malaysia's UN mission in Lebanon
MARHALIM ABAS
Monday, March 22nd, 2010 12:01:00
KUALA LUMPUR: The Anoa APS-3 armoured personnel carrier (APC) manufactured by Indonesia's state-owned PT Pindad has reportedly emerged as the front-runner to meet the requirements of the Malaysian Battalion (Malbatt) in the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL).
Malbatt has an " urgent operational requirement " for the procurement of up to 30 units of 6x6 APCs to replace its almost obsolete Condor armoured vehicles which had been in service since the early 1980s.
However, an official announcement on the procurement is not expected soon, according to defence industry sources. They expect an official announcement, at the earliest, during the upcoming Defence Services Asia exhibition, on April 19.
As the procurement is for a United Nations (UN) mission, the world body will reimburse the purchase and shipping cost of the APCs.
The Indonesian-developed vehicle was shortlisted with two other 6x6, namely, the VAB from France and South Korea's Black Fox, to meet the urgent requirement as the German-made Condors reportedly had been worn out as they had been used daily since deployment.
Some 750 Malaysian soldiers are deployed to Lebanon as part of Malbatt, using the Condors and unarmoured Land Rovers for patrols since 2006.
Although the Condors have been the mainstay of Malaysian peacekeeping missions from Bosnia to Somalia, the Army wanted the vehicles to be replaced since the early 1990s, as operational experience showed that the 4x4 vehicles were prone to tipping over, especially in off-road conditions where it spends most of its time while on missions.
However, budgetary constraints meant that the vehicles continue to soldier on despite its deficiencies and age. Malaysia became a part of the UNIFIL peacekeeping mission after the United Nations Security Council adopted Resolution 1701 intended to resolve the Israel-Lebanon conflict after Israeli forces attacked Hezbollah militants in 2006.
Defence industry sources told The Malay Mail that the VAB was the early favourite to clinch the tender, but due to technical and logistical reasons, the Anoa reportedly surged into contention following trials at the respective countries late last year.
The VAB was initially considered as many of the countries involved in UNIFIL are equipped with the VAB in both versions, the 4x4 and 6x6.
Even the Indonesian contingent at Lebanon are using VABs purchased from France.
As the VABs being offered to Malaysia are ex-France armed forces stock, these could be quickly made available to Malaysia. Shipping costs would also be minimised as the vehicles are located near Lebanon.
One industry source said Malbatt should not have any problems maintaining the Anoas as the vehicles are also fitted with Renault engines and transmission. However, he added, PT Pindad may have to fit a new engine and transmission for the Malaysian-bound vehicles as it does not have the rights to export them under its contract with Renault, which also markets the VAB on behalf of the French government.
The source said the Anoa procurement also could be seen as the forerunner for the formation for the Asean Security and Defence Industry Council (ASDIC), proposed by Malaysia to tap the huge security and defence market in the region and reduce dependency on other parts of the world.
The procurement would also pave the way for Indonesia to purchase Malaysia-made defence items as part of a counter-trade arrangement.
On the downside, the source said it was not known whether PT Pindad would be be able to fulfil the Malaysian order as fast as the French as PT Pindad would have to built the vehicles from scratch unlike the VABs which are refurbished stock.
The Anoa is usually armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
The vehicle has a crew of three and can carry up to 10 soldiers. PT Pindad is manufacturing 150 Anoas for their own country's armed forces.
- Malay Mail -
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Reply 310# lkick2113
Well said.... Itu lah orang kita, nak develop military industry pun susah, maintain negative thinking. MINDEF punya think tank dah nilai masak-masak setiap aspek kemampuan.. platform PARS surely ada banyak perkara yang lebih menguntungkan negara berbanding platform lain yang pasti nya lebih mahal dan mempunyai pelbagai limitations. Battle proven atau tak, it is out of context, asalkan Deftech tahu melakukan proper R&D untuk improvements. Even USA dll pun improve their technologies through trial & error (improvements) Kita komen setakat tahu sudahlah.. yang tak tahu tak payah lah nak speculate lebih lebih, no point. SEA countries dah mampu bangunkan platform mereka, takkan lah kita nak jadi pembeli dari negara luar yang tak pandai pandai belajar... aisey man... |
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DSA 2010 : MOU signed in the spirit of ASEAN
Thursday, April 22nd, 2010 12:32:00
KUALA LUMPUR: SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd today signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with PT Pindad of Indonesia, which established a platform for both companies to work together, share knowledge and the possibility of co-production or work-share products and services.
The MoU symbolised the spirit of Asean member countries cooperation in the field of defence industries collaboration that was mooted by Malaysia during the Asean Defence Ministers meeting in Bangkok last November.
Signing on behalf of SME Ordnance was executive director Tan Sri Mohd Shahrom Nordin while Pindad was represented by its president director, Adik Avianto Soedarsono.
The ceremony was witnessed by Malaysian Defence Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, and his Indonesian counterpart, Prof Dr Purnomo Yusgiantaro, and Indonesian State-Owned Enterprises Minister Mustafa Abubakar.
Also present was National Aerospace and Defence Industries Sdn Bhd (NADI) executive chairman Tan Sri Ahmad Johan. SME Ordnance is wholly-owned by NADI. Incorporated in 1969, SMEO is involved in the manufacture and supply of small; medium and large caliber ammunition; shotgun cartridges and pyrotechnics products; refurbishment of old ammunition and bombs; wood based and engineering plastic products; and metal boxes.
Pindad was established in 1908 in Surabaya as Dutch-owned Artillerie Contructie Winkel (ACW). It became an Indonesian government-owned company in 1983. Pindad is involved in the military, weaponry, ammunition and industrial engineering. Backed by extensive experience in the precision industry, Pindad also entered the commercial engineering/ non-military industry. It has two plants, a 160-hectare facility in Turen, Malang; and a 66ha facility in Bandung, both in Jawa.
- Malay Mail -
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Korang ingat senang ke diorang nak bagi teknologi pada kita..agak agak la kalau kita bina kereta perisai bermula dari zero...agak agak berapa modal yang akan kita keluarkan ..adakah konfirm bwh 8 bilion....aku rasa lebih lagi kot........... mmg le harga dia agak mahal tapi berbaloi untuk jangkamasa panjang............kalau kita tak mengeluarkan duit sekarang bila lagi................. |
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Post Last Edit by hyazinth79 at 22-4-2010 17:56
Reply 329# lkick2113
smpai sekarang terrex tu ssh nak jual |
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Reply 310# lkick2113
utk pengetahuan kau gak, abrams sebenarnya diambil dr program usahasama dengan german, walaupun tak diakui, amerika mengambil bnyk teknologi german utk bangunkan abrams. |
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Reply 331# tempur
aku rasa n bkn soal bantah perbelanjaan, tp soal kenderaan yg dipilih, klu betul platform lain lebih mahal, umumkan jumlahnya, yg dilihat sekarang adalah kualiti. kenapa us tak belanja billion dolar utk upgrade pars, tp guna piranha, atau stryker, aku rasa mereka lebih mampu naik taraf pars ni klu mereka hndk, aku msh fikir mcm mana deftech nak atasi saiz, ground clearance , dan ketinggiannya . ataupun bgh kusyen pemandu yg diubah nnti. sbb dr apa yg dipaparkan semua konfigurasi tu, mmg dah ada, bkn yg dibuat oleh deftech. bg mereka yg terlibat secara langsung waktu ujian lasak ni th potensi sebenar apc ni, sbb tulah ramai pilih samada piranha ataupun patria. dua platform ni lebih mahal? hai ckp sanggup belanja duit utk pertahanan. yg penting unit yg bakal operate benda ni tak jadi bahan ketawa nnti. |
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Reply 323# areguard
masalah keseriusan takde , lemah, nama dah bnyk kali tukar dah, tp sama gak. bkn tak mmpu , tp tak nak buat , nak harapkan pasaran tempatan je, paling jauh pun brunei. tak inovatif. ingat lg tak peluru artileri yg pamer aritu, oleh stride waktu merdeka dl, aku masih tunggu apa yg terjadi, senyap je, atau dia ubah, peluru tu terbang sendiri pakai jampi je. |
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Reply 331# tempur
Yup mmg betul... Tapi perlu ingat, ngr kita bukan nyer kaya cam US, EU, o SG... Budget pun asyik xda, mnurut kat kmenterian kewangan...
Wisely, RM8billion nei quite to much wlupun ambik design PARS yg org da buat R&D n develop.
Bygkan kalo kita beli dr RM8billion nei dpt ganti 200 - 400 IFV dlm jumlah RM2billion, RM3 billion new MRCA dan RM3 billion tok LHD (at least 2 buah) |
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utk long termnya, kesemua perolehan 8x8, feter, LHD, frigate n corvettes dan semua2 peralatan pertahanan lainnya, setelah negara ini mampu buat sendiri setelah membelanjakan berpuluh2 billion utk melabur bagi membuat sendiri benda2 nih, kemungkinan negara akan jimat beratus2 billion hengget amatlah cerahnya...
takpa la kita sekarang melabur walopon mahal di zaman kita, tapi murah di zaman anak2 cucu2 cicit2 peon2 dan seterusnya nanti, biar lah kita berkorban utk kekuatan, kesenangan dan kemajuan generasi2 kita seterusnya... |
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apa yg di takutkan oleh org kita sengsangat ialah masalh birokrasi di peringkat atasan nuuun, kalaulah nanti beli platform tmapatan, tapi harga kurang seposen dgn harga import, wat apa, itu lah yg sebenar nyer yg berlaku pada kita, satu lagi, sikap potong jalan org, tak leh tgk org lain dapat rezeki, tu pun bahaya jugak.....
pikir2 kan lah |
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Reply 309# yaminz
yamiz.. knp la kamu ni suka sgt lemah semangat.. kalau macam ni sampai bila kita nak maju... asyik nak beli peralatan luar.. kita kerna la berkorban sekarang supaya senang kemudian... jgn jadi macam zaman dulu kasi Negara Jiran kat British skrg menyesal lak..
kalau x sampai bila la isdusteri pertahanan nak maju kalau rakyat malaysia jiwa macam kamu... ish ish ish .. renung renung kan lah |
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Reply 339# acputra79
bukan nyer kurang smgt... kita perlu sedar kmampuan kwangan. Better kita beli design org yg battle proven n produce locally, mcm pindad buat... Risk rendah n better sale market placed. |
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Post time 22-4-2010 01:31 PM
...untuk pengetahuan korang2 yg cakap nape x amik patria jd platform, terrex (SG) pon develop dari turki punye APC gak, hehehe
