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Author: lin_okinawa

Kelas Bahasa Jepun (Nihongo)

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 Author| Post time 24-10-2007 12:57 AM | Show all posts

Reply #299 purplehyppo's post

soklan pertame...yg temo tu....kene tuka verb tu pd rareru dlu la??

ooo utk pasif form sahaje....patotla "dimarahi oleh lin"....tu ayat pasif....oo paham paham

haihhhh makin besh lak aku blaja bahse jpn ni

tq yaaaa purple
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 Author| Post time 24-10-2007 01:04 AM | Show all posts

Reply #300 kambinhijau's post

hanamaru...tringat cm kt hawaii plak
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Post time 24-10-2007 10:21 AM | Show all posts

Reply #302 lin_okinawa's post

aku lak hanamaru tringat kat Hanamaru Cafe
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Post time 24-10-2007 11:51 AM | Show all posts

Reply #302 lin_okinawa's post

nape lin-san tringt kat hawaii??
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Post time 24-10-2007 11:54 AM | Show all posts

Reply #303 whitedove's post

Hanamaru Cafe??
interesting
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Post time 24-10-2007 12:09 PM | Show all posts

Reply #305 purplehyppo's post

ala TV show tuh hehe...
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Post time 24-10-2007 01:23 PM | Show all posts

Reply #306 whitedove's post

xtau..ekekeke..
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 Author| Post time 24-10-2007 11:19 PM | Show all posts

Reply #303 whitedove's post

edited....

baru prasan hanamaru cafe tu bangumi
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 Author| Post time 24-10-2007 11:28 PM | Show all posts

Reply #304 purplehyppo's post

tk tau la...mgkn sbb perkataan hana + maru tu kot...tetibe terbyg yg ni ->

mmg tersasar dr maksud sbnr die wakakakakakakaak....
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Post time 25-10-2007 09:34 AM | Show all posts

Reply #309 lin_okinawa's post

ahahaha..cutenyehh
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Post time 27-10-2007 12:01 PM | Show all posts
konnichiwa! shin baru balik dari cuti raya nih...pegh lama giler...
omoshirokatta!

eh pendapat shin la, lagi seronok ada orang berborak2 dlm nihongo kat sini. sbb tu pun salah satu cara nak belajar ckp informal....dan juga perbualan harian...sbb ble dpt idea gak daripada ayat2 purple-san n kambin-san....
ni pendapat shin la...sbb selain belajar daripada notes, belajar percakapan camtuh pun best gak...dpt gak banyak contoh... kalau baca notes je memanjang, pening gak kepala kan...hehehee..... so shin harap ble gak selit2 kan percakapan harian tu... tapi notes pun kene banyak gak....
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Post time 27-10-2007 12:10 PM | Show all posts
wow...shin baca setsumei korang ni, semakini banyak dapat kefahaman.....waahhh seronoknyee....
tapi masih gak tak reti nak buat ayat sendiri...baca faham tapi nak buat ayat tu la lembik...
shin ada shukudai pun tak siap lagi ni...uwaaa....
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Post time 30-10-2007 09:50 AM | Show all posts
wahh mana pegi forumer thread nih? hehehe...isogashii desu ne.
shin nak tanya cara penggunaan "koto ga" shin baca buku pun masih belum faham sgt bila nak guna.
mintak tolong sesapa leh terangkan n bagi contoh...arigatoo!
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Post time 4-11-2007 12:24 AM | Show all posts

Reply #313 sh|nobu's post

.. koto ga ni bile di gunakan dgn verb meaning die jd like something u hv done.

eg : ano onogiri tabeta koto ga arimasuka?
       pernah tak mkn onigiri tu?

       ano ko to yatta koto ga arimasuka?
       pernah 'buat' dgn awek tu? (sori misleading sket saje nk kasi mnarik ^^)

soo.. b4 -koto ga tu kne pakai -ta form utk verb.
taberu jd tabeta
yaru jd yatta
nomu jd nonda

n the list goes on..

selamat mencuba!!


[ Last edited by  kambinhijau at 4-11-2007 12:26 AM ]
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Post time 4-11-2007 02:07 PM | Show all posts

befdey lin-san ker??

nway if so,
:pompom: :pompom: Hepi BeRfDaY LiN!!:pompom: :pompom:
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Post time 4-11-2007 02:16 PM | Show all posts

Reply #313 sh|nobu's post

yup..kambinhijau-san is very right..

part of kegunaan 'koto ga'..

sblm 'koto ga'..kalo nk letak 'kt akar' pon bleyh..just bezanye meaning nye jd laen cm mr. kambinhijau speaks b4..

(verb)+ koto == noun

cth:

ningen ni taberukoto ga daiji (desu)
pemakanan penting bg manusia

ningen = manusia
taberukoto = pemakanan
daiji = penting

p/s: dgn kt laen..kalo nk jdkan verb kpd noun..letak 'koto' is one of the way..


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 Author| Post time 4-11-2007 02:35 PM | Show all posts

Reply #315 purplehyppo's post

tq
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Post time 4-11-2007 02:44 PM | Show all posts
sangkyu kambin and purple!

satu lagi cam penah dengar (verb) + koto ga dekimasu... yang ni pun ada kan?

semalam nengok jdorama Attention Please... from drama tu banyak gak shin faham, tapi mondai ga aru...

so far yang shin faham ayat suruhan biasanya dlm bentuk -te + kudasai.
contoh "suwatte kudasai" (sila duduk)
tapi lam cite tu die sebut "suwarinasai" --> adakah meaning sama dengan suwatte kudasai?
atau suwarinasai tu bentuk informal ke?

satu lagi, shin salu dengar lam anime kalo nak cakap i'm really sorry : moshiwake arimasen de$hita (harap ejaan betul)
tapi lam dorama tu shin terdengar die sebut lain skit- maybe macam ni : moshiwake gozaimasen de$hita.

so apakah perbezaan kedua2 ayat tersebut?

Arigatoo gozaima$hita!

[ Last edited by  sh|nobu at 4-11-2007 02:46 PM ]
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Post time 4-11-2007 07:56 PM | Show all posts

Reply #318 sh|nobu's post

baguih soklan shin neh..

mmg ade (verb) + koto ga dekimasu(masen)..
sy phm tp yg nie sy xreti sgt nk explain la..gomen ek..
but sy try sket..

taberu koto ga dekiru == boleh dimkn.
tabereru(potential form for taberu) = boleh mkn.

gomen xreti
lin-san plz bg note kalo ade..
or mr. kambinhijau can give a hand here?



yg ayt suruh tue..senang jek shin..

dlm nihongo nih ade formal, informal..
plus keigo(respect)..1.merendahkan diri..2.meninggikan org laen..atau sebaliknye..

(verb) + te kudasai is formal form..
while (verb) + nasai..is keigo yg merendah org laen aka meninggikan diri sendri..
cnth mak ckp kat anak..
tabenasai..

nk tau lg byk?
cnth:
verb > taberu

meshi agattekudasai(full respect)..ckp kat Tun M toka..
tabetekudasai(kurang ket)..ckp kat tetamu toka..
tabete(bese)..ckp kat kekasih2 kite..or friends
tabenasai(tinggikan diri kite sket)..ckp kat anak org adik2 kite..
tabero(sara ni tinggikan diri kite..aka kurang ajo ngn org laen)..ckp kat member2 rapat ker..

p/s: byk lg sbnrnye..sy bg yg basic jek..



n for gozaimasu tu..lg simple..
'gozaru' is keigo for 'aru'..

n yg utk mintak maap tuh..nih sy susun level2 die ek..

moushiwake gozaimasen de$hita
moushiwake arimasen de$hita
sumimasen de$hita
sumimasen
gomen

chinamini..kalo boss kite bwat slh kat kite n then die nk mintak maap sgt2..
dorang akan ckp camnih..moushiwake nakatta..
bleyh phm x point sy nk bg??ish serabut tui la sy xreti ngajar neh..
kambinhijau-san!!need back up!!

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Post time 4-11-2007 08:04 PM | Show all posts

Reply #318 sh|nobu's post

yup.. yg tu pn ade gak

(verb) + koto ga dekimasu

eg : taberukoto ga dekimasu
       boleh dimakan (cara ni die me'noun'kan verb as purple hd explaind). just as same as taberareru
       psst..kalu salah btuikn sy purple ^^

-nasai pn sama cam -te kudasai. both meaning mcm please bla bla bla.. just beza dr segi formality.
so far -nasai form ni pmpuan bnyk pakai. laki jarang lak dgr..
cara guna die :

use -masu form, tp cut -masu part n add -nasai at the back
eg : suwarimasu (duduk)
       buang -masu .. jd suwari..
       add -nasai ... so jadilah die suwarinasai

same thing goes to other words such as tabenasai from tabemasu (makan), yarinasai from yarimasu (buat), and nominasai from nomimasu (minum)


moshiwake arimasen de$hita == moshiwake gozaimasen de$hita
same je dedua... means im very sorry..
n again, beze dr segi formality.
yg ade go- tu usually lebih formal. bab ni dh masuk ketegori 'keigo'
hok ni ssh sket.. even japanese pn xramai tere. apatah lg sy yg br setahun jagung ^^

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