so is your ideology different from our malaysia govement? or you support the IS issue?
That is because you are thinking that helping other people and die in the process is nonsense. It is known that USA also send their army to other countries for war/etc and some of them (Christians) die in the process. Well, based on your reasoning, Christians also die for nothing. Then, it's no longer a jihad issue here.
is nonsense and stupid because peoples who are with brain, able to think there are much better things to do in live and solve issue which in malaysia....that is more wise..
recent article :
Zaid: Lupakan IS, lihat keganasan di samping kita“Negara Islam Malaysia” mungkin lebih ganas berbanding kumpulan bersenjata Negara Islam (IS) di Iraq dan Syria, kata bekas menteri Datuk Zaid Ibrahim.
Beliau justeru menggesa Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Najib Razak dan Ketua Pembangkang Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim melihat keganasan yang berlaku di tempat sendiri.
Zaid, bekas menteri undang-undang, mengulas kenyataan kedua-dua pihak (kanan) itu terhadap IS.
“Potong kepala orang mungkin tidak boleh diterima tetapi bukankah adil untuk bertanya bagaimana Malaysia berbeza?” kata beliau dalam blognya hari ini.
“Pemimpin IS kata, pihak yang tidak terima keputusan mereka sebagai mencabuli asas agama dan tindakan menghina agama, yang bermaksud tindakan mereka tidak berbeza dengan pemimpin agama di Malaysia.”
Zaid berkata, IS boleh berhujah bahawa undang-undang tuhan sempurna dan oleh itu tiada keperluan menggabungkannya dengan pengalaman dunia lain, moraliti atau sistem nilai yang menentukan pemakaian undang-undang ilahi.
“Pendirian mereka adalah betul seperti Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (Jakim) dan JAWI (Jabatan Agama Islam Wilayah Persekutuan),” tambahnya.
Di Malaysia, katanya, jika kanak-kanak terbiar dijumpai dan tidak dituntut dalam tempoh beberapa minggu, fatwa menyebut bahawa ia dikira Muslim.
“Ini bermaksud bayi itu automatik tidak layak dijadikan anak angkat oleh keluarga bukan Islam. Lebih sukar jika orang Islam sendiri keberatan mengambil bayi yang dilahirkan luar nikah.
“Jadi ke mana bayi malang ini akan pergi? Bagi saya kelihatan seperti negara Islam Malaysia seperti ganas, jika tidak lebih pun sama seperti IS, yang tidak sedia membela integriti dan keselamatan seorang kanak-kanak,” katanya.
Truth.8 posted on 8-10-2014 10:06 AM
are you saying christians killed because differences in faith?
show me proof which present time
muslims does that every now and than
Errr , how many were killed when christians kill christians in WW2?
LOL , why truncate your argument to present time only? The world just came to existence yeaterday or you are ashamed of the history of killings done by christians?
Truth.8 posted on 8-10-2014 10:11 AM
is nonsense and stupid because peoples who are with brain, able to think there are much better things to do in live and solve issue which in malaysia....that is more wise..
recent article :
Zaid: Lupakan IS, lihat keganasan di samping kita“Negara Islam Malaysia” mungkin lebih ganas berbanding kumpulan bersenjata Negara Islam (IS) di Iraq dan Syria, kata bekas menteri Datuk Zaid Ibrahim.
LOL , another load of rubbish from you.
All muslims should condemn IS or ISIS. However you have yet to provide proof that Ahmad Lotfi was fighting for IS per your insinuation. Your arguments are all speculation. Till now there is no proof from you.
Truth.8 posted on 8-10-2014 10:06 AM
are you saying christians killed because differences in faith?
show me proof which present time
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I'm saying killing innocent people is wrong regardless of the timeframe (past, present or future).
I can understand why you are limiting the killing to present time only. If you consider the past, you will be defeating your own faith, which is why you want to exclude the past. Like I said, killing innocent people is wrong regardless of the timeframe. Islam is very clear about this. You are trying to judge Islam according to the actions of some groups of people despite being told that those actions are against Islamic teachings. When bro sam mentioned counter examples on the Christianity sides, you are now changing it to become 'killing in present time', 'killing due to differences in faith'. Why? Wouldn't the killing itself is wrong in the first place? Why should we limit to 'present time' or 'differences in faith'? To fit your own agenda?
Wouldn't the drone deployed by the current president of the USA considered to be 'present time'?
If the drone had killed non-Christian civilians, doesn't that mean they got killed because of differences in faith?
so is your ideology different from our malaysia govement? or you support the IS issue?
You misunderstood the whole thing.
From your first post:
Ibu kepada Mohd Fadlan Shahidi Mohammad Khir yang terkorban akibat serangan jet pejuang tentera di Syria kelmarin yakin anaknya itu benar-benar serius dan ikhlas dalam perjuangannya.
You don't have any proof to show that late Mohd Fadlan Shahidi was an IS supporter. Please don't put everything as IS movement.
I have stated clearly that there is nothing wrong in helping other people and die in the process. The government is condemning IS militants who killed innocent people. I'm talking about people who help other people and die in the process; not the IS militants who killed innocent people!
sam1528 posted on 8-10-2014 11:11 AM
Errr , how many were killed when christians kill christians in WW2?
LOL , why truncate your arg ...
Errr , how many were killed when christians kill christians in WW2?
LOL , why truncate your argument to present time only? The world just came to existence yeaterday or you are ashamed of the history of killings done by christians?
WW2 is history but I am talking present time....hope you nuts head understand....meaning, muslims doing evil in this earth every now a than....
sam1528 posted on 8-10-2014 11:13 AM
LOL , another load of rubbish from you.
All muslims should condemn IS or ISIS. However you have ...
LOL , another load of rubbish from you.
All muslims should condemn IS or ISIS. However you have yet to provide proof that Ahmad Lotfi was fighting for IS per your insinuation. Your arguments are all speculation. Till now there is no proof from you.
yet many muslims nations joining them...and chantting allah is great for honouring killing...that is the fact
mashimaru83 posted on 8-10-2014 10:26 PM
I'm saying killing innocent people is wrong regardless of the timeframe (past, present or future). ...
I'm saying killing innocent people is wrong regardless of the timeframe (past, present or future).
I can understand why you are limiting the killing to present time only. If you consider the past, you will be defeating your own faith, which is why you want to exclude the past. Like I said, killing innocent people is wrong regardless of the timeframe. Islam is very clear about this. You are trying to judge Islam according to the actions of some groups of people despite being told that those actions are against Islamic teachings. When bro sam mentioned counter examples on the Christianity sides, you are now changing it to become 'killing in present time', 'killing due to differences in faith'. Why? Wouldn't the killing itself is wrong in the first place? Why should we limit to 'present time' or 'differences in faith'? To fit your own agenda?
Wouldn't the drone deployed by the current president of the USA considered to be 'present time'?
If the drone had killed non-Christian civilians, doesn't that mean they got killed because of differences in faith?
the fact remaind that we christians do not killed for differences other peoples faith...muslims does that...i do not bomb the buddha statues , i do not wrap bomb in my body to killed the infidel...muslims does...
mashimaru83 posted on 8-10-2014 10:42 PM
You misunderstood the whole thing.
From your first post:
besides Mohd Fadlan Shahidi there many muslims in here heading to IS ...that is fact and where does those teaching comes from?
of course you deny is not islamic but that is fact muslims doing it
Truth.8 posted on 9-10-2014 09:54 AM
the fact remaind that we christians do not killed for differences other peoples faith...muslim ...
Muslim civilians got killed by the drone deployed under the Obama administration. Regardless of whether they wrap the bomb over their body or not, the fact remains: Obama administration is reponsible for the death of innocent civilians.
Truth.8 posted on 9-10-2014 09:57 AM
besides Mohd Fadlan Shahidi there many muslims in here heading to IS ...that is fact and where doe ...
Truth.8:
besides Mohd Fadlan Shahidi there many muslims in here heading to IS ...that is fact and where does those teaching comes from?
of course you deny is not islamic but that is fact muslims doing it
Again, flawed reasoning.
The same can be said to Obama administration who was responsible in deploying the drone that killed innocent civilians. Where does the teachings to kill innocent civilians come from? And the fact is, Obama is a Christian.
Truth.8 posted on 9-10-2014 09:51 AM
WW2 is history but I am talking present time....hope you nuts head understand....meaning, mus ...
So killing in history is ok whereas killing in present times is not ok? You are a clueless dimwit. Killing is killing no matter when or who did it or who got killed. LOL , why present time? The world just came to existance a week ago?
Even that , the killings by christians far outnumber everyone else. The killings of innocents in the Iraq / Afghan illegal war (still ongoing) , started by christians far outstrip the killings by the IS.
The reason is simple : they want to control the oil. Combine the 2 together - the killings by christians far outstrips all other religions put together and the reason is to rob the oil belonging to others. To you this is is ok.
Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%).
Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: 113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.
Christians have killed eight times more people in democides than Muslims: 76.5 million compared to 9.3 million. Almost the same rate as for war.
Truth.8 posted on 9-10-2014 09:52 AM
yet many muslims nations joining them...and chantting allah is great for honouring killing...that is the fact
Muslim nations join IS? Aiyoyo tambi , in fact most or all muslim nations condemn IS. Can you provide evidence of which muslim nation(s) is(are) in support of IS?
sam1528 posted on 9-10-2014 02:21 PM
So killing in history is ok whereas killing in present times is not ok? You are a clueless dimwit. ...
So killing in history is ok whereas killing in present times is not ok? You are a clueless dimwit. Killing is killing no matter when or who did it or who got killed. LOL , why present time? The world just came to existance a week ago?
killing in history is a lesson for humans to remind to live in peace while killing at present done by muslims amoung muslims are babaric...
this what happend when muslims take over the world...they cannot live in peace..
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