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I thought you said missionaries. Now christian militants?
No, no aenemy7, no such thing as christian militant but we do have muslim militant.
Why don't you post the things about what the muslim done to hindus there?
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and happend rest of the world.
Indonesia, Lebanon, Egypt, Borneo, Malaysia.
Originally posted by aenemy7 at 19-4-2005 12:26 PM:
This already happen there in India,
btw; salams to my fellow 'aenemy' :solute: |
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http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/south ... urrent_affairs.html
It is reasonable to argue that the ascendancy of the Bharatiya Janata Party [hereafter BJP] to relative supremacy in Indian politics over the course of the last few years bears a direct relationship to the considerable, even dramatic,increase in violence against Christians and other minorities in India. In this short paper, I shall be furnishing a brief chronicle of the recent violence, besides foraying, again briefly, into such questions as the politics of conversion, the inaccuracy of claims regarding the alleged growth of the Christian population in India, and so on.
Christians in Modern India: A Brief Political and Social Survey
The history of Christianity in India goes back to a few decades after the birth of Christ, and there is evidence of Syrian Christians having established themselves in Kerala before 100 AD. India抯 contacts with Christianity were renewed with the coming of the Portuguese in 1498: this was wholly inauspicious for the modern beginning of Christianity in India, since the conduct of the Portugese is without exaggeration described as barbaric. The Christian presence became more marked in some respects in the nineteenth century after British rule had been consolidated in India, though here again the pretense was often maintained that British rule had no association with Christianity. The sleight of hand is witnessed, for example, in James Mill抯 fatal characterization of Indian history into three periods: Hindu; Muslim; and British.
Some of the anti-Christian sentiments harbored by contemporary Hindu extremists dwell on the time when India was under British colonial rule, and when a substantial number of Christian missionaries openly voiced crude anti-Hindu sentiments. There is also the widespread belief among advocates of a more militant Hinduism that the colonial state encouraged conversions of lower-caste Hindus and otherwise promoted Christianity as a state religion, but on the whole there is little to substantiate this view, though doubtless Christians were looked upon more sympathetically than they had been in India under Muslim or Hindu rulers. It is a remarkable fact that in 200 years when India was under British rule, the Christian population of India never exceeded 3% of the population. Though the sentiments of Hindus were often flagrantly wounded by Christian missionaries, whose insensitivity and arrogance come across in countless number of texts, missionaries today are nonetheless more often remembered for performing social work in both metropolitan centers and more remote parts of the country, and for establishing schools where the bulk of the Indian elites still receive their schooling (see Bhavana Pankaj, "India抯 Christians Protest Persecution", Asian Week [7 January 1999]).
The reality faced by Christians in modern India is that they are a small minority and not noticeably present in public life. They are dwarfed by the Hindus (nearly 78% of the population) and Muslims (around 14% of the population). The much smaller Parsi population has had a far more tangible and far-reaching impact on Indian civilization as well as what is called "nation-building". The militant Hindus have spread a canard that the Christian population is increasing rapidly in India, and they have attempted to create the widespread impression that lower-caste Hindus are being forcibly converted in large numbers to Christianity. For instance, on the very day that Pope John Paul II arrived in India in late 1999, an advertisement in the form of an open letter addressed to the Pope was placed in Indian newspapers by the Citizens Committee of the Dharma Raksha Sammelan [Association for Protection of the Hindu Faith] in Chennai [Madras], which stated that "the Christian missionary activity in our nation is tearing apart families and communities in every strata of our society." The letter states that "religious conversion, which seems to be synonymous with papal work, is violence pure and simple." Purporting to speak on behalf of the nation, the letter concluded thus: "We Indians are deeply hurt by the spurt in the aggressive campaigning of the Church to convert the people of India by all available means" (see V. Sridhar, "A Numbers Game", Frontline [Madras], Vol. 16, no. 25 (27 November 1999). In fact, there have been many other similar calls for an end to conversion (for example, M. V. Kamath, "Mission Impossible: Putting an End to Conversion Activity", Times of India 13 October 1999), all implicitly based on one of more of the following assumptions, all patently false: (1) Christian missionary activity is illegal; (2) the Christian population is increasing dramatically; (3) and that conversions take place forcibly, or are otherwise inauthentic because the converts are seduced with offers of money or other forms of patronage.
The evidence to the contrary is ample. The Constitution of India (1950) recognizes the right to freedom of religious worship, and the Constituent Assembly, which drafted the Indian Constitution, recognized further that people have the right to "propagate religion". More importantly, the Census of India, which remains the most authoritative source for population statistics, clearly shows that the Christian community has stagnated and even registered a small decline in recent years. In an article published by Rajendra K. Chaddha in the magazine Organiser (31 October 1999), which is the mouthpiece for the BJP, the Hindu nationalist party that has been governing India since March 1998, it was claimed that the Christian population had grown from 2.53% of the total population of India in 1981 to 2.61% of the total population. However, the Census of India tells a different, and obviously more reliable, story. While the rate of growth of the Christian population was higher than that of the population as a whole between 1921 and 1971, the gap narrowed and was eventually reversed. Thus, between 1981 and 1991, Christians declined from 2.45% to 2.32% of the entire population. Moreover, while the population of India increased by 23.79% between 1981 and 1991, the Christian population grew by only 16.89% in the same period. . The Justice Wadhava Commission of Inquiry appointed by the Government of India came to the same conclusion, and it adds the interesting fact that between 1991 and 1998 the Hindu population increased by 2.5%, while the Christian population increased by .008% (see V. Sridhar抯 article in Frontline [above]; Rajeev Dhavan, "Christians in India", The Hindu (5 November 1999); and P. R. Ram, "To Be or Not To Be: The Conversion Debate", available through South Asia Citizens Wire).
In short, the most common rationale offered for violence against Christians in India, namely that the community is growing at an alarming rate through forced conversions, is absurd and has been decisively rejected by the print media and the world of scholarship. Even if the allegations made by Hindu extremists were true, they cannot be offered as an excuse for violence against another religious community. It is also the case, though the scholarly and popular literature on this question leaves much to be deisred, that recent converts to Christianity fare much worse than those Indian Christians who have been members of that faith for one or more generations. Recent converts are seen as traitors to Hinduism, as people who are against the tide of history and fail to recognize that India is -- as the Hindu militants would like to think -- a Hindu nation, and as people who are determined to weaken India in the face of opposition from hostile countries, including Pakistan. There may also be some resentment against the generally improved lifestyle of Christians: rates of literacy among both Christian men and women are higher than among Hindu men and women, and in the various indices that are used internationally to determine social and economic development, such as infant mortality rate, maternal mortality rate, and death rate, Christians score better.
The Hindutva literature on conversion, finally, has entirely failed to enter into an engagement on the complex philosophical, political, and ethical questions surrounding conversion. Some of the Hindutva advocates, whose contempt for Gandhi is barely disguised, have brazenly furnished Gandhi抯 views as justification for their opposition to conversion. Gandhi was not keen on conversion, partly because he held to the view that the convert had an inadquate understanding of his or her own faith; and Gandhi did not think that any one religion was superior to another. But absolutely nothing in Gandhi抯 life, teachings, or writings can even remotely be summoned in support of the view that Gnadhi would have opposed a person抯 right and desire to convert, and it is unthinkable that he would have countenanced the use of violence to prevent conversion. In this matter as in many others, the militant Hindus have shown themselves extraordinarily adept in abusing and manipulating Gandhi. |
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Actually there's an article overhere in this thread about christian militants, also happen in India!!! don't forget the IRA man....:lol
Just browse this thread page to page,u will find it!!!..... and bare in mind there are already report in Johor about a church giving a leadership seminar which discuss about "from small groups to nationwide" something like that! if im not mistaken the "leadership summit" was held anually there,not sure what they discussing about.... but it's easy to guess if u take knowledge about the missionaries tactic around the world, that's why these thread can be useful for Muslims as a refferences!
See Ya....
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Your articles are based on nothing but false information. A propaganda to incite hatred towards the minority christians in india by the BJP and the RSS.
And the IRA is not a christian militant. They don't use christianity or Jesus or God as an excuse for their actions. Its a militant organization of Irish nationalists who used terrorism and guerilla warfare in an effort to drive British forces from Northern Ireland and achieve a united independent Ireland.
If you have concrete proof of dirty tactics by the church in johor, please show to us here. If not i suggest you shut ur mouth coz you dont want to be label as lier that spread false rumors and incite hatred towards christians in malaysia. |
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http://cpim.org/statement/1999/1999_oct_18_pope%20visit.htm
Press Statement
The Polit Bureau of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) has issued the following statement:
The visit of Pope John Paul to New Delhi in the first week of November is being used as a pretext for a countrywide anti-Christian campaign orchestrated by the RSS and its allied outfits. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad has organised a yatra from Goa which will reach Delhi on the eve of the Pope's visit. This yatra is being used for anti-Christian propaganda. The propaganda material which is being brought out by the VHP and the other RSS outfits spew hatred against the Christian minority.
India is a multi-religious country and the head of any religion is free to visit India to participate in religious functions. This has never been questioned before. It is a sign of the changed circumstances that under the BJP-led government, hostile propaganda against a religious group is freely conducted contravening the laws of the land. The Vajpayee government is unable to take a firm stand on this issue as the RSS is involved.
The Polit Bureau demands that the Vajpayee government take immediate steps to curb the anti-Christian propaganda being conducted through activities like the VHP sponsored yatra. Failure to do so will further damage the secular image of the country in the eyes of the world. |
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And this is from a muslim website based in india.
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15-7-2000/Art13.htm
Anti- Christian violence is cultivated
The intense anti-Christian propaganda, which preceded anti Christian violence, is based on the falsification that Christian missionaries are using fraud and inducement to convert the gullible Adivasis. The decline in the percentage of Christian population tells another tale while quashing this baseless charge. As per the census of India the population of Christians in India stands as follows- 1971- 2.6%, 1981-2.44%, 1991- 2.32 %. At a time when the Christian population is actually declining, the myth has been popularized that conversions are on the rise. And this myth is now being used to rouse the sentiments and emotions of average people to generate the hatred against the Christians.
The anti Christian violence came up as a part of the SP campaign to get bigger foothold amongst the Adivasis. It is in these remote areas that missionaries from decades and centuries are busy with their social work. SP抯 aim is to arrest the secularization process, which is marginally helped due to educational, and health related activities of the missionaries. The violence, which has been cultivated, has passed through different conveyor belts. The RSS manufactures the basic hate philosophy, BJP provides the political cover, VHP specializes in the vehement anti-minority propaganda and Bajrang Dal takes up physical intimidation of minorities, in this case Christians.
With most of the anti Christian crime getting exonerated by the state machinery, ruled by BJP led coalition at centre, and dominated by the silent and violent supporters of SP at different levels the word has gone round that one can get away after attacking Christians. So now all and sundry lumpens and criminals of different hues and shades have discovered the soft target in Christians. |
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Again i repeat.
Your articles are based on nothing but false information. A propaganda to incite hatred towards the minority christians in india by the BJP and the RSS.
And the IRA is not a christian militant. They don't use christianity or Jesus or God as an excuse for their actions. Its a militant organization of Irish nationalists who used terrorism and guerilla warfare in an effort to drive British forces from Northern Ireland and achieve a united independent Ireland.
If you have concrete proof of dirty tactics by the church in johor, please show to us here. If not i suggest you shut ur mouth coz you dont want to be label as lier that spread false rumors and incite hatred towards christians in malaysia. |
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I heard the church located at Muar,Johor .....the seminar was handle by americans, just ask anyone in Muar about that! it's a leadership summit held annually, don't tell me u know nothing about this coz this thing already spread here in KK and they already people over here go to that leadership summit!!!! i suspect it was funded by the zionist freemasons from america under illuminati organization! bare in mind they are CIA in every american church as reported by Paul Findley(x-senator in america) book "they dare to speak" back in early 80s....
so that's why we have to take knowledge in every aspect and tactic brought by the missionaries throughout the world so it's easier to tackle every lies that they used!!!! Just read all the article over here, u will found out many articles and news that never being covered by the zionist CNN,BBC etc media before!!!
Keep in touch! 
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Where the concrete proof? I say you are being paranoid. |
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Wow your a christian and u know nothing about it???? remember im far away from JB but still heard about this or u all try to hide something???Hidden Agenda???? if u read at Motherjones.com, u got what i mean!! they are trying hard in South East Asia....
:lol
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I'm talking about the dirty tactics by the church you want to proof.
So where is it? |
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Once again, dear ponytail...read through the whole article here page by page, there's a lot of proof here if u concentrate reading it....
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Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall.... |
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As i said earlier, the articles you posted are nothing but false and biased information.
I've proved it here especially the anti christian propaganda useb by the RSS and BJP. |
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Ahaaa...i think u have the "CNN,BBC....etc" syndrome!!! this thing never reported by these media giants and even more biased!!! These websites will tell u the news and report that u don't like to hear and never heard from CNN or BBC before(they are part of the missionaries laaa....that's why they afraid to report,someone asked them not to report,Ted Turner maybe :lol)
Most of the article and news clipping from www.christianaggression.orgwww.christianaggression.org
are written by the ordinary people, freelance writer,x-journalist, journalist,college lecturer and scholars, this is the reality of their lifes!!! the web already being hacked multiple times in the past but the website still exist until now and recently have their org. web, so it's already established there, there's nothing to hide anymore....it's well aware by the people overthere, remember the websites was an .org !! that's shows how established they are!!!
Muslims all over the world should take knowledge about this, i think Indonesia are beginning to feel what the India people feel right now, like in Acheh laaa, Aid embedded with missionaries,confusing orphan children to convert even though the missionaries know the children have no clue of what they are doing...etc!!! same laaaa like India,some part in Africa,Papua New Guinea,Most of South America......
So dont rely too much with Ted Turner CNN,BBC,CNBC,New York Times,USA Today, AP etc... coz all of them are the same only the packaging differs!!!! :bgrin:
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:hmm: :hmm:
http://www.christianaggression.o ... S&id=1113881143
Christian's Arrest Twists Argument
Posted April 18, 2005
Leonard Pitts Jr.
Miami Herald
The story is almost certainly apocryphal, but here it is for what it's worth:
Shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Muhammad Ali was supposedly visiting ground zero when someone asked a barbed question: How did Ali, the most famous Muslim in the world who is not a terrorist, feel about sharing his religion with Osama bin Laden? The champ shot back, ``How does it feel to share yours with Hitler?''
As I said, the story -- it began circulating shortly after the attacks -- is probably not true, but it ought to be. It's valuable for what it says about our tendency to demonize the unfamiliar and overlook the obvious.
Which brings us to Eric Rudolph, alleged Christian terrorist.
And, to this question: Is that a fair term to describe the accused serial bomber? Some observers have begun debating that since Rudolph's recent arrest in North Carolina, among them The Washington Post, which raised the issue in a story last week, and Arsalan Tariq Iftikhar, Midwest communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who tackled it a few days ago in The Herald.
The question is, to say the least, provocative. After all, the crimes of which Rudolph stands accused -- the bombings of a gay nightclub, two abortion clinics, and an Atlanta park at the 1996 Summer Olympics -- can fairly be described as terrorism. And he is indeed believed to have been motivated by Christianity, albeit that perversion of it found on the extreme right end of the political spectrum. In that perversion, love of Jesus somehow translates to the conviction that Jews are diabolical, blacks subhuman, and explosive devices a valid _expression of faith.
So does that make him a Christian terrorist? And if not, why? What is the substantive difference between him and all the ''Muslim terrorists'' who plant bombs out of their supposed devotion to Islam?
If you're a Christian, as I am, your reflexive response is likely to resent being lumped with this guy whose beliefs reflect no Christianity you've ever known or practiced. And perhaps you're self-aware enough to realize in the process that this is the argument moderate Muslims have been making for years, to limited effect.
Granted, the comparison is inexact.
For one thing, Christianity is, by a sizable margin, the largest religion in America. Its ubiquity makes it unlikely that Rudolph could ever be seen as ''representative'' of the followers of Christ. So it's difficult for most Christians to fully appreciate how the term ''Muslim terrorist'' must resonate with Muslims who are not.
There's another reason the comparison is flawed. Namely, that fundamentalist extremists have managed to hijack Islam to a degree most of us find unfathomable.
In this country, it is considered newsworthy and a cause for concern that a few people in the hills of North Carolina have expressed sympathy for Rudolph. But in the Middle East, ''sympathy'' for terrorism is general, often taking the form of government support, institutional anti-Semitism and the lionization of suicide bombers. Fairly or unfairly, the damage that behavior has done to Islam in the eyes of the world is incalculable.
For all its imperfections, though, the comparison is a valuable one. It requires the majority to walk in the minority's shoes, demands that we grapple with issues of fairness and sensitivity we might otherwise never consider. It serves to the goose the sauce prepared for the gander.
Is Eric Rudolph a Christian terrorist? If Osama bin Laden is a Muslim terrorist, then isn't the unavoidable answer yes?
Not that we'll ever call him that. As history is written by the winners, so perception is shaped by the majority. And I doubt that any mainstream news outlet will ever use ''Christian terrorist'' to describe Rudolph. People will say it's provocative and unsettling, and it is.
I'm just not convinced that's a bad thing.
Interesting huh......:lol
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3. Manhunts (South America) - Another method, aptly called "manhunt", involves the missionaries going out, sometimes in motorized vehicles, hunting for natives to integrate them into reservations set up for missionary work. The New Tribes Mission (NTM), for instance, went on such a manhunt in Paraguay. Five missionized natives were killed in one such manhunt. Those unconverted natives were taken to the NTM camp in Campo Loro. Within a short while, according to Survival International, all had died of new diseases they had no immunity to. Stung by criticism, the best reply the NTM 's Director in Paraguay could muster was: "We don't go after people anymore. We just provide transport."
In another such "manhunt" in 1979, also in Paraguay, one of the frightened natives fell down from a tree and broke her leg. (Her right breast had already been shot off by a previous encounter with the missionaries.) She was compelled, with her broken leg, to walk back to the mission camp. She subsequently died.
4. Kidnappings - In conjunction with the "manhunt", converted natives are trained by the missionaries to carry guns. The "newly contacted" natives are then rounded off to the mission camp. One American organization, Cultural Survival, reported in 1986 that natives in the NTM camp in Paraguay kidnapped and forced into missionary schools.
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Originally posted by aenemy7 at 23-4-2005 02:56 AM:
Ahaaa...i think u have the "CNN,BBC....etc" syndrome!!! this thing never reported by these media giants and even more biased!!! These websites will tell u the news and report that u do ...
From Indian Muslim Leading Newspaper
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/15-7-2000/Art13.htm
Anti- Christian violence is cultivated
The intense anti-Christian propaganda, which preceded anti Christian violence, is based on the falsification that Christian missionaries are using fraud and inducement to convert the gullible Adivasis. The decline in the percentage of Christian population tells another tale while quashing this baseless charge. As per the census of India the population of Christians in India stands as follows- 1971- 2.6%, 1981-2.44%, 1991- 2.32 %. At a time when the Christian population is actually declining, the myth has been popularized that conversions are on the rise. And this myth is now being used to rouse the sentiments and emotions of average people to generate the hatred against the Christians.
The anti Christian violence came up as a part of the SP campaign to get bigger foothold amongst the Adivasis. It is in these remote areas that missionaries from decades and centuries are busy with their social work. SP抯 aim is to arrest the secularization process, which is marginally helped due to educational, and health related activities of the missionaries. The violence, which has been cultivated, has passed through different conveyor belts. The RSS manufactures the basic hate philosophy, BJP provides the political cover, VHP specializes in the vehement anti-minority propaganda and Bajrang Dal takes up physical intimidation of minorities, in this case Christians.
With most of the anti Christian crime getting exonerated by the state machinery, ruled by BJP led coalition at centre, and dominated by the silent and violent supporters of SP at different levels the word has gone round that one can get away after attacking Christians. So now all and sundry lumpens and criminals of different hues and shades have discovered the soft target in Christians. |
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I don't believe a thing written in the article above. I believe that photo is fake. Thousands of Hindus accept Christ in India everyday, so why is there is need for Christians to kill anyone?
There is no evidence that any of such thing happened. Besides, if Tahitians were forcibly converted 2 cenbturies ago, why don't they apostate now since they are free to do so today?
On the contraray, muslims are still killing apostates today after all the centuries of forced conversions. |
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