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wkk5159 posted on 12-4-2013 12:07 PM 
"Just because the criteria is coming from the Book itself, that doesn't mean that the criteria is ...
wkk5159:
Yes, you completely miss the point here, it is subjective and not independent if it is from the book itself or any opinions & philosophies which will alter your subsequent judgement. It's very obvious that you simply don't know what is subjective and impartial here.
Yes, you completely miss the point here, it is subjective and not independent if it is from the book itself or any opinions & philosophies which will alter your subsequent judgement.
wkk5159:
We both believe in God BUT..... Do we believe in the same God ???
Like few post ago you mentioned about Quranic Allah which created DEATH which is totally different from the fundamental belief of Christianity.....
Biblical God only create lives and associated with resurrection and everlasting life.
For Christians, death is only associated with Lucifer, the fallen Arch Angel or Satan !
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mashimaru83 posted on 12-4-2013 03:59 PM
I believe your usage of subjectivity in regards with the criteria from the Al-Quran and also in ...
I have to say that you have very peculiar type of thinking.
On the issue of subjectivity, you can just flip the Oxford dictionary and the answer is there.
Oh yes, there is only one Book that is Word of God, that is Bible.
Last edited by wkk5159 on 12-4-2013 11:32 PM
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Manusia mudah terpersona dengan apa yang menarik perhatiannya, apa yang berada di sekelilingnya, apa yang dipelajarinya..ie tradisi, peraturan, hukum-hakam, kata2 org itu ini...
Pemikiran kita seolah2 kena brainwashed dan lama kelamaan ia menjadi kepercayaan, pegangan dan terikat.
Disebabkan apa yang kita percaya, kita mudah menilai sesuatu jika apa sesorg itu percaya berbeza..... maka ini mengakibatkan aku betul, dia salah, label-melabel, kafir-mengkafir, syurga neraka, baik buruk
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That's the reason why i said every single one of us is subjective and not objective when interpreting our own faith but someone here definitely having hard time appreciating it..... |
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wkk5159 posted on 12-4-2013 05:12 PM
I have to say that you have very peculiar type of thinking.
On the issue of subjectivity, you c ... wkk5159:
On the issue of subjectivity, you can just flip the Oxford dictionary and the answer is there.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/subjective
Definition of subjective
adjective
1 based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions:
his views are highly subjective
there is always the danger of making a subjective judgement
Contrasted with objective.
* dependent on the mind or on an individual’s perception for its existence.
2 Grammar relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used for the subject of a sentence.
wkk5159:
Oh yes, there is only one Book that is Word of God, that is Bible.
I appreciate it if you can bring the criteria to determine that Bible is really the word of God.
Last edited by mashimaru83 on 15-4-2013 09:43 PM
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Truth.8 posted on 12-4-2013 10:30 AM
Until now muslims cannot explain:
Adam was made from clay...from his clay we are his generation ...
we have already answered this question.
Who is Jesus Christ?
(Jesus) said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive. And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute. (Noble Quran; 19:30-34) http://quran.com/19/30-34
Comparing Adam and Jesus? We have the answer, too.
Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. (Glorious Quran; 3:59) http://quran.com/03/059
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gunblade712 posted on 15-4-2013 10:56 PM
we have already answered this question.
Who is Jesus Christ?
Yes we are the generation of adam which made of clay...
...but Jesus?? Mary without any intercourse with men....she conceived by what???
Why was so special to Jesus??? Why can't God just made Jesus like normal like Moses and other prophets they were born thru intercourse ...
this is why muslims not able to answer??
Last edited by Truth.8 on 16-4-2013 09:58 AM
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wkk5159 posted on 12-4-2013 05:12 PM
I have to say that you have very peculiar type of thinking.
On the issue of subjectivity, you c ... I have to say that you have very peculiar type of thinking.
On the issue of subjectivity, you can just flip the Oxford dictionary and the answer is there.
Oh yes, there is only one Book that is Word of God, that is Bible.
http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=719259&extra=page%3D1&page=2
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Truth.8 posted on 16-4-2013 12:01 AM
Yes we are the generation of adam which made of clay...
...but Jesus?? Mary without any inte ... Yes we are the generation of adam which made of clay...
...but Jesus?? Mary without any intercourse with men....she conceived by what???
Why was so special to Jesus??? Why can't God just made Jesus like normal like Moses and other prophets were they were born thru intercourse ...
this is why muslims not able to answer?? 
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 16-4-2013 01:26 AM
sebelum ni kau kata injil ada 66 buah buku.sekarang ada 1 plak.mana satu yang betul ni?
http:// ...
Aiya.....kamu ni betul betul jahil lah, Injil bermula dari Genesis dan berakhir dengan Revelation, kesemuanya 66 "Chapter" (buku) dalam satu Buku Injil !
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 16-4-2013 01:29 AM
soalan sama je....balik keje aku reply...kacang je ni
ok....aku tunggu...
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mashimaru83 posted on 15-4-2013 09:40 PM
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/subjective
It talks about personal feelings, ...
Aiyooyoooo.....you refer to dictionary also got the wrong meaning, this is consequences of being a muslim.....
SUBJECTIVE means; Opinions formed based upon one's feelings or intuition, not upon observation or reasoning. It can be pertaining to personal mindsets or experience which ultimately dictate one's biased opinions.
Antonym : Objective.
As i wrote and told you before, if you still cannot understand what i try to tell you.....then i leave it to God.
Bible is word of God.
p/s : Conscience is our inner voice of God which tell us what is right and wrong. If ones conscience have been cloaked and blinded by evil energy for too long due to deviated faith, then his/her conscience is too weak and unable to tell her/him what is right and wrong, what is good, what is evil !
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Truth.8 posted on 16-4-2013 12:01 AM
Yes we are the generation of adam which made of clay...
...but Jesus?? Mary without any inte ... Yes we are the generation of adam which made of clay...
...but Jesus?? Mary without any intercourse with men....she conceived by what???
She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" (The angel) said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. (Noble Quran; 3:47) http://quran.com/3/47
Why was so special to Jesus??? Why can't God just made Jesus like normal like Moses and other prophets they were born thru intercourse ...
this is why muslims not able to answer??
He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' " (Noble Quran; 19-21) http://quran.com/19/21
We have answered those questions, too.
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wkk5159 posted on 16-4-2013 09:44 AM
Aiya.....kamu ni betul betul jahil lah, Injil bermula dari Genesis dan berakhir dengan Revelation, ...
abih tu yang injil markus la,lukas la matthew la.pebende semua tu?tu bukan injil ke?by the way,mana satu kitab korang yang betul ni? |
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wkk5159 posted on 16-4-2013 10:25 AM
Aiyooyoooo.....you refer to dictionary also got the wrong meaning, this is consequences of being a ... wkk5159:
Aiyooyoooo.....you refer to dictionary also got the wrong meaning, this is consequences of being a muslim.....
SUBJECTIVE means; Opinions formed based upon one's feelings or intuition, not upon observation or reasoning. It can be pertaining to personal mindsets or experience which ultimately dictate one's biased opinions.
Like I said previously, your usage of subjectivity against Al-Quran was completely wrong. Notice the "one's feelings or intuition" and let me repeat again, the mentioned criteria from Al-Quran is not originated from me so it has nothing to do with my feelings or intuition (no personal mindsets/experience are involved here). Per your own definition, Al-Quran criteria is not subjective. Thank you for proving it.
Now that you understand the meaning of subjectivity, finally I can see the criteria from the Bible to determine that it is the word of God.
wkk5159:
p/s : Conscience is our inner voice of God which tell us what is right and wrong. If ones conscience have been cloaked and blinded by evil energy for too long due to deviated faith, then his/her conscience is too weak and unable to tell her/him what is right and wrong, what is good, what is evil !
Is this your feeling or intuition or personal mindset? If not, please bring Biblical verse to support your statement above.
P/S: Cannot wait for the Bible's criteria to show that it is the absolute word of God.
Last edited by mashimaru83 on 17-4-2013 07:48 AM
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Truth.8 posted on 16-4-2013 09:58 AM
ok....aku tunggu...
@gunblade712 dan tolong jawab kat posting #214.kalau tak puas hati lagi,sila bagitau.
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mashimaru83 posted on 16-4-2013 06:20 PM
Like I said previously, your usage of subjectivity against Al-Quran was completely wrong. Notice ...
When you're refering to the criteria in your Quran, it is subjective already because Islam is your faith ! Understand ?
Likewise, when i'm refering to my Bible for criteria to prove that it is word of God, it also render my objective subjective, Got it ?
p/s: Can muslim think logically ???
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 16-4-2013 06:15 PM
abih tu yang injil markus la,lukas la matthew la.pebende semua tu?tu bukan injil ke?by the way,man ...
Aiyooo.....muslim yang jahil, tak perlu saya ambil contoh Bible sebagai contoh lah, muslim susah nak fahami.....saya rasa apa yang Sephiroth kata itu ada kebenarannya.
Saya ambil buku Biologi manusia sebagai contoh. Dalamnya ada bab yang berlainan seperti; Central Nervous System, Respiratory System, Alimentary System, Endocrine System dan sebagainya tetapi ianya masih satu buku yang mengandungi bab-bab yang merujuk kepada watak utama, iaitu manusia. Faham?
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wkk5159 posted on 17-4-2013 08:17 AM
Aiyooo.....muslim yang jahil, tak perlu saya ambil contoh Bible sebagai contoh lah, muslim susah n ...
aku yang jahil ke atau kau yang berlagak pandai?perdebatan dengan orang-orang kristian dah berpanjangan selama beratus-ratus tahun.kau ingat kami orang-orang Islam tak mengkaji Injil yang ada sekarang ni?Syeik ahmad deedat sendiri telah mematahkan hujah paderi kristian hanya dengan menggunakan Injil.itupun paderi kristian mati akal untuk membalas balik hujah yang dibawa oleh Syeikh Ahmad deedat.
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 17-4-2013 06:28 PM
aku yang jahil ke atau kau yang berlagak pandai?perdebatan dengan orang-orang kristian dah berpanj ...
Kau masih menggunakan Syeikh Ahmad Deedat yang sudah lama meninggal itu sebagai teladan ?? Pandangan pesongnya sudah lama disangkal oleh sesiapa yang mempunyai cebisan pengetahuan tentang Injil. Tak percaya ? Senang je, Google saja, kau akan dapat lebih daripada apa kau dapat kendali. Contohnya;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktBJl8XStds, http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Deedat/deedat.html dan banyak lagi.
Jadi, di sini amat jelas kamu hanya terdedah kepada maklumat berat sebelah dan ketinggalan zaman.
Satu perkara yang menarik pasal Ahmad Deedat adalah kecenderungannya membongkar perbohongan saudara Islam sendiri, Shia. Jadi siapa yang benar ??? Sunni atau Shia atau...... Al Arqam ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_ERLIOjH4, http://gift2shias.com/2012/03/10 ... es-of-shia-scholar/
p/s : Ahmad Deedat mengalami stroke yand serius pada 3/5/1996 sehingga melumpuhkannya, 4 minggu selepas dia menghina petikan dari Injil di sydney bahawa Isa disalib dan banngkit dari "kematian". Dia meninggal pada 2005 dari kompleks kanser dan stoke.
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