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BTW, why're you so concerned abt the prophet having sex out of wedlock? After all you believe there's no God. It doesn't matter, isn't it? Why don't you just live your life? |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 1-12-2005 09:10 PM
all those replies.. crappy replies of yours deserve nutin' but a big.. F-U SOB
likewise u're fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan
yo muzzie.. of course they preach.. they are preacher.. bozo.
anyway, they are not the founder of the religion they preach.. they are just followers of the religion they preach.
so wot if they're not founder? they're preachin bout judaism, christianity, buddhism etc. rite? or r u rapin mohammad's integrity jest coz hes founder of islam? why? why a fukin bloody son of b@stard pig pagan like u wanna get upset with mohoammad bein founder of islam? so u wanna be founder too? go ahead. be founder of rapist fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan then. nobody fukin bloody b@stard gonna stop u. burp
and you forgot to include ur freakin' imams/mullahs.. in the list.
and i'm not only not pickin' on those freakin' bishops or rabbis or monks.. i ain't pickin on those multi-wive imam/mullahs who boink their daughters too.. but i just pick on one hypocrite who claimed to be perfect being.
didnt ur fukin bloody eyeballs c me ETC? that includes mullahs, popes, rabbis, scholars etc. talmud says rabbis can have sex with 3 year old girls. me dont c u callin em hypocrite? where? exactly wot a fukin bloody son of b@stard pig pagan would do - selective rapin
so how many of the bishops or rabbis or mullah or monks had more than a dozen wifes and had sex with slave girls?.. and yet is called "the perfect examplar for others to imitate" a.k.a Al-Insan Al-Kamil?
o yes they have dozens. talmud says so. but they're not transparent. they're sly fox. get that into ur thick skull
already given to you. now you wanna play dumb? are u retard?
read ur link with ur pea brain in ur thick skull not stuck in ur arsehole. me dont c no word RAPE there? where?
its the intepretation of the muslims from the website lah bozo.
read again..oh lazy muzzie.. pay attention to the past islamic scholar they quote.. and remember, all of them based their judgement on sex with slaves/concubines based on quran.
where the word RAPE in the article? where? no word RAPE means u're a dirty ole fukin blood son of a b@stard pig pagan. trust me
Question #10382: Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means
marriage.
INTERCOURSE means SEX. so wheres the RAPE? MARRIAGE means SEX means INTERCOURSE. wheres the RAPE O FUKIN BLOODY SON OF B@STARD PIG PAGAN? n that goes with the rest of ur fukin bloody article. wheres the word RAPE there? am waitin
me ain't no rapin Mo.. he did it to himself.
indeed u're rapin muhammads integrity, a guy who has done u no wrong cept hes a muslim n u're a fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan. me can c ur horns growin. uh huh
Fact remains.. ur hyper-sexed idol had sex out of wedlock.
HARDproof that theres a RAPE. otherwise u're fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan who can only sqeal impotent
enjoy ur stinkin fukin bloody pigstye 
peace |
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[size=-2]am off sumwhere. but keep ur postin goin :cak: |
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2-12-2005 09:45 AM
*likewise u're fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan
*why a fukin bloody son of b@stard pig pagan like u
*be founder of rapist fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan
*nobody fukin bloody b@stard gonna stop u. burp
*didnt ur fukin bloody eyeballs c me ETC?
*wot a fukin bloody son of b@stard pig pagan would do
*read ur link with ur pea brain in ur thick skull not stuck in ur arsehole
*no word RAPE means u're a dirty ole fukin blood son of a b@stard pig pagan.
*wheres the RAPE O FUKIN BLOODY SON OF B@STARD PIG PAGAN?
*n that goes with the rest of ur fukin bloody article
*indeed u're rapin muhammads integrity,
*n u're a fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan
*otherwise u're fukin bloody son of a b@stard pig pagan who can only sqeal impotent
*enjoy ur stinkin fukin bloody pigstye
that reminds me of this..Originally posted by sonny~~ at 15-11-2005 08:40 AM
adults say how one talks reflects his characters. i guess those who luvs to talk porno r dirty old men in real sense of the word :cak:
nutin' worth reply to the SillyOldBoy.. except for his crappy understanding of concubine n rape.. poor SOB can't even understand a simple sentence from the q-a islam.com.. A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
the moron sees the word marriage and screams marriage in big red font.. what a bozo.The website is showing that the arabic word for concubine(sariyyah) derived from the arabic word for marriage(sirr). is that so difficult for the retard to understand?
Concubines are not married..if they are married then they are called wives and not concubines. Having sex with concubines is an act of having sex out-of wedlock.. Its called adultery/fornication (zina) but not rape.
lets recap..
first the SOB says this..Originally posted by sonny~~ at 28-10-2005 12:24 PM
its better to have legal wives than concubines, mistresses etc
then the SOB ask this..Originally posted by sonny~~ at 30-10-2005 06:45 AM
what i wanna know is which koran verse that says mohammad has concubine
after i gave the verse, the SOB admits this..Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
In Islam, a woman captured as bounty in a battle, could be taken as a slave, and used as a concubine. But, if she gave birth to a child from her master, she would be set free, and would become a part of society.
now the SOB is whining about rape.. what a retard.
Bottomline, the muslims scholars have admitted that Mo had concubines.. as shown in post#199.
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Faithhealer, why're so interested with the Prophet's sexual life? I mean, you're an atheist. Does it matter so much whether he had sex with the concubines? Pls don't ignore my post. I want a sincere answer from you. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2-12-2005 09:36 PM
So much meaningless crappy poops from s single post.. what a lousy SOB you are SonnyBoy.
that reminds me of this.. LOL.. what a hypocrite.
nutin' worth reply to the SillyOldBoy ...
It's been refuted before in the earlier pages as i reiterated those verses [al-Ahzaab 33:50] which were revealed in Medina refer specifically to that point of time in which how the Muslims handling of the female captives during that war and you should noted that it refers to the time of war on that period(transitional)and you should know that the slaves must be clothed, feed and must not be harmed in any ways.As regards having slave women,it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-a-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, phase by phase .So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims. But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free. Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom, for she could be ransomed. As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn抰 get married. This is clarified by the following verse:揫color=Green]And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2-12-2005 10:48 PM
Faithhealer, why're so interested with the Prophet's sexual life? I mean, you're an atheist. Does it matter so much whether he had sex with the concubines?
You are too emotional n you can't debate.. so i will just answer you by explaining why i'm interested in Muhammad.. Interest in his sexual life naturally followed.
Daily i am subjected to the Azan.. screaming Muhammad's name as well as the name of the arabian deity. The muslim in the mosque, pondok and huts, who were shouting the Azan call using modern inventions, the loud speaker.. don't care about non-muslims near-by. The azan callers are not botherd about sleeping babies or people who need good sleep. They just want their voice to be heard.
These people disturb other people with their azan noise all because of Muhammad's order. Sonny was whining that Muhammad had done me no wrong.. Azan is the of the wrong he done to me.
Azan was one of the reasons why i did some research on Muhammad. What i found is that most of the things he did was related to sex.
As you might know.. sex sells. I mean people are interested in sex.. its a natural thing in animal kingdom.. if humans have inbuild instinct for sex.. without this urge human race will perish. Muhammad used this natural sexual urge in people to influence them.. promising paradise where sex with beutiful dark-eyed houris is the main attraction.
I found that Muhammad was a man who dictates what is right and wrong. He in the name of Allah perscriped max 4wives for his followers but he himself had at least 9 wives at a time.
When i ask my muslim friend about Muhammad. The usual reply is that he is a perfect human being of high moral standard.. but they are not sure of the number of wives he had.. but they say he married the ladies to protect them or to make peace with warring tribes. What my reseach reveal was different story.
I started this tread to find the actual number of wives Muhammad had.. just to satisfy my curiosity.
Only 3 muslim here dare to name the wives of muhammad.. but they too are not sure of the wives Muhammad had. In her first try Darsita gave incorrect answer as did KennKid.. as did Mat Kampung.
I can conclude that most muslims don't know much about Muhammad.
[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 at 3-12-2005 03:43 AM ] |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 3-12-2005 03:15 AM
You are too emotional n you can't debate.. so i will just answer you by explaining why i'm interested in Muhammad.. Interest in his sexual life naturally followed.
Daily i am sub ...
I'm not being emotional here. I just want to know why're you so interested with the Prophet's sex life. What's your motive? After all you're an atheist & by right, you shd not be concerned whether the Prophet had sex out of wedlocks with other women/concubines/female captives whatever. Does it really matter when God does not exist at all? You shd be preaching the non-existence of God & try to convince us here.
In future, when I'm online make sure you reply to my post immediately & not do hit-n-run.
PS. I remember Faithhealer sent me several private messages that he'd convert to Islam if I can convince the prophet is really a person with good akhlaks. Are you really sure Faithhealer? You know what - in the real world, sometimes things don't really work in that way. Be realistic lah!!! |
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Sure the prophet is a perfect human being with good akhlak compared to others but still as a God's Messenger, he kept repenting to Allah swt. And an ordinary human being doesn't do that at all times or even not at all. Any problem with that? His sex life is his personal life. He he he. Ni dah tahap menyampah!
And another thing - thru' researches too, the Christians came up with the idea that Jesus also had sex out of wedlock with Mary Magdalene before he was crucified on the Cross. Do you think we Muslims also believe in such craps????? Do you think we Muslims are like you people believing in S H I T S????? The same thing goes to our Prophet Muhammad saw. People can add & change stories from time to time & we're uncertain on its reliability. Can you gurantee that your findings is a reliable one? To us the most important thing is the prophet had successfully conveyed the message of Allah swt. & the Holy Quran.
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And sometimes I wonder, why do people incl. the Muslims waste so much time on researches esp. the sex life of Prophet Muhammad saw.? The Americans had gone to the moon, they have sent spaceships to the other planets & moons in the Solar System & yet many of us prefer to waste our time on researching his sexual life. |
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I think Faithhealer wants to say that he is holier than Prophet Muhammad, but stop short of saying it.. may be he is a shy person. |
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Originally posted by Oreng at 3-12-2005 10:36 AM
I think Faithhealer wants to say that he is holier than Prophet Muhammad, but stop short of saying it.. may be he is a shy person.
Maybe you're right Oreng. Most probably he's more holier than our prophet even though he's an atheist. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 3-12-2005 09:12 AM
Sure the prophet is a perfect human being with good akhlak compared to others but still as a God's Messenger, he kept repenting to Allah swt. And an ordinary human being does ...
perfect human being with good moral? can't be..
Mo keep repenting did't he.. only guilty people repent.
Would a perfect human being say things like this.. "O my Lord! Forgive my sins and my ignorance and my exceeding the limits of righteousness in all my deeds and what you know better than I. O Allah. Forgive my mistakes, those done intentionally or out of my ignorance or without or with seriousness, and I confess that all such mistakes are done by me. O Allah! Forgive my sins of the past and of the future with I did openly or secretly. You are the One Who makes the things go before and You are the One Who delays them, and You are the Omnipotent." ref:Sahih Bukhari 8.407
asking forgiveness for the sins he is going to commit.. thats weird.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 4-12-2005 03:47 PM
perfect human being with good moral? can't be..
Mo keep repenting did't he.. only guilty people repent.
Would a perfect human being say things like this.. " ...
Yes, the prophet is a perfect human with good moral compared to other human beings. Did I ever mention 100% perfect or very perfect or excellent???????????? Don't divert the discussion. Just reply to my above posts!
PS. I did mention that the Prophet kept repenting to Allah swt, didn't I?
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How do you know that the prophet was asking forgiveness for the sins he's going to commit? Any evidence? |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 4-12-2005 03:52 PM
Yes, the prophet is a perfect human with good moral compared to other human beings. Did I ever mention 100% perfect or very perfect or excellent???????????? Don't divert the discussion. Just re ...
So according to you, all those immoral deeds that Muhammad had done (and begged forgiveness from his lord,) is still better than other human beings.. emmm
How on earth did you know what other human being have done and how can you know what moral standard they had?
Assuming that Muhammad had a better moral than other people is just weird. Its impossible to know the moral deeds off all human beings.. alive or dead. So, how did you compare Muhammad with other people?
Take your time to answer.. and don't assume.
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 4-12-2005 04:15 PM
How do you know that the prophet was asking forgiveness for the sins he's going to commit? Any evidence?
read the hadith from Bukhari i quote in my post# 213. again.
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I don't do assumption like you do. You assume the prophet was asking forgiveness from God for the sins he's going to commit. That's really weird for a person who claims he has done researches on the prophet's life esp. his sexual life. Having many wives doesn't mean a person is immoral. He did nothing to the society & we shd mind our own business & take a good look at ourselves.
Answering your question - sure the prophet is still a perfect human being with good akhlak. You know why - he's the last God Messenger but he didn't abuse his position. He's still aware that he's only an ordinary human being & that's the reason he kept repenting to Allah swt. And another thing, he asked for God's forgiveness just in case he did mistakes & sins that he was not aware of.
BTW, other ordinary human beings after the prophet are not God's messengers.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 4-12-2005 04:24 PM
read the hadith from Bukhari i quote in my post# 213. again.
So what's wrong with the hadith? Did he mention that he planned to commit sins in future? |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2-12-2005 09:36 PM
So much meaningless crappy poops from s single post.. what a lousy SOB you are SonnyBoy.
that reminds me of this..
there u r, me know u gonna squeal impotent with me HARDfacts. as me show u concubine dont mean rape. if it means rape u would have shown ur HARDfact in turn but u couldnt. wot u're doin rite now is to squeal hysterical like fukin bloody son of a b@stard d pig pagan
yup u're a hypocrite alrite, a bloody dirty ole man who squeals after mohammad who has done u know wrong cept hes a muslim n u're a pagan
nutin' worth reply to the SillyOldBoy.. except for his crappy understanding of concubine n rape.. poor SOB can't even understand a simple sentence from the q-a islam.com.. A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
thats rite. concubine in arab means marriage not rape. n conbine means wife of secondary rank. no rape there. where?
Concubine
the moron sees the word marriage and screams marriage in big red font.. what a bozo.The website is showing that the arabic word for concubine(sariyyah) derived from the arabic word for marriage(sirr). is that so difficult for the retard to understand?
quit squealin impotent. reagardless the word CONCUBINE comes from word MARRIAGE, ur eyeballs should be tellin ur sh1t brain MARRAGE dont mean RAPE. rite? its matter of CONCUBINE vs MARRIAGE not CONCUBINE vs RAPE. get that into ur thick skull. theres no RAPE word in ur link n u know it. but u wanna twist the word CONCUBINE to mean RAPE - WEDLOCK. wot bloody sh1thead. burp
Concubines are not married..if they are married then they are called wives and not concubines. Having sex with concubines is an act of having sex out-of wedlock.. Its called adultery/fornication (zina) but not rape.
now u're admitin theres no RAPE while ur early post squeals of RAPE. wot a b@stard pagan. ur link talks bout concubine, slave, intercourse etc but nuthin on rape even WEDLOCK. where? whereas me link says concumbine is wife of lower rank. so where do u stand in this? - that u wanna rape mohammads integrity to satisfy ur lust to ridicule others with ur dirty ole mind. shame
lets recap..
first the SOB says this..
QUOTE:
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 28-10-2005 12:24 PM
its better to have legal wives than concubines, mistresses etc
thats rite. wife is better than concubine ie wife or lower rank. no word RAPE there
then the SOB ask this..
QUOTE:
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 30-10-2005 06:45 AM
what i wanna know is which koran verse that says mohammad has concubine
n ur link dont say RAPE. rite d1ckhead?
after i gave the verse, the SOB admits this..
QUOTE:
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
In Islam, a woman captured as bounty in a battle, could be taken as a slave, and used as a concubine. But, if she gave birth to a child from her master, she would be set free, and would become a part of society.
still no word RAPE. where o fukin bloody son of b@stard pig pagan?
LOL.. Thats right in Islam there are ways to have concubines.
now the SOB is whining about rape.. what a retard.
not me. its u o dirty ole pig pagan. read ur post below. n u've been implyin all along
Bottomline, the muslims scholars have admitted that Mo had concubines.. as shown in post#199.
bottomline theres no rape involved as ur sh1t brain wanna allege. read me link above
nutin' worth reply to the SillyOldBoy ...
continue wallowin in ur stikin pigsty o dirty ole pig pagan
peace
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 20-11-2005 03:59 AM
But did you realise what you wrote? sex with prisoners of war?? Isn't that rape?
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