[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Debmey

We only need to know that Mohd had sex with a 9 year old aisha. You can't run fuzzy.

Mgsrulz

Originally posted by barney50 at 6-10-2007 08:30 AM
Frankly speaking as a prophet of GOD Mohammedshowed a bad example for some Muslims in the 21st century.

applying today's moral standards on centuries past civilisations is illogical,IMHO.
we dont live the same exact way they do aeons ago,we dont eat the same things,etc..
so during His time,it was completely fine to marry a young girl at that age,only today it looks out of place.

Originally posted by barney50 at 6-10-2007 08:30 AM
Old Muslimsas old as 70 plus are raping their own grand daughters as young as 6years old. This is happening in our own country what more about otherMuslim countries which do not hear but that does not mean it is nothappening. Just some moths ago a religious teacher was arrested forraping and molesting young girls and boys under his care. Please do beoffended but that is the truth. If you question them they would turnaround and say if the prophet had done why can't they?

nope.
the prophet MARRIED Aishah.
he/they did not marry their victims

marrying someone is completely different than sexually assaulting someone.(also,marrying someone doesnt mean you can sexually assault the person)

Originally posted by barney50 at 6-10-2007 08:30 AM
It is likefollowing the sunnah of their prophet so can you blame them?

yes.
simply put:
they are misusing the story of the life of the Prophet for their own sexual gains.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 10-10-2007 03:24 AM
We only need to know that Mohd had sex with a 9 year old aisha. You can't run fuzzy.

There are many things that I may do and they don't include missing a face-off with the likes of you Debmey. Rest assured I always stand my ground no matter what. You can see that in this thread....and many others. Really you can't take me on as I was once like you too...a steadfast gut-churning Evanglical that bought souls into a wrong cause the wrong way. Allah has redeemed me just as Paul said he was too on the dusty dry road to Damascus. Anyways you make marriage sound so dirty. They teach you that in Bible class?

Since you're not making any progress in the direction of the Prophet of Islam, I will instead have to resort to an "alternative approach". To let you see "the light" so to speak. We talk on the Issue of Jacob and Rachel. This will definately in my honest opinion [IMOP] drive home the stake that will inevitably put you to rest for eternity...I hope. Tell me the ages of Jacob and Rachel, when he landed the pecker on Rachel's pretty rosy young cheek?

PS - You should sit up and take note of what Mgsrulz just said.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Let me help you clear the choke in your throat Debmey. So how old was JACOB when he kissed Rachel, a very young pretty lil' thing on the cheeks? SEVENTY. Here's one of the many proofs to nail home the age concern aight! Read on.

The Link: http://biblicalstudies.qldwide.n ... ker_is_tricked.html

The first paragraph reads:-
Jacob was seventy-seven years old when he started out on his journey from his home in Canaan to his uncle's home is Haran. As night fell he decided to stop and rest. That night he used a stone for a pillow and had a very strange dream.

Your comments please? Is Jacob a paedophile too? Does Jacob exibit symptoms consistent with paedophilia?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

really? did you notice that your link don't work?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-10-2007 10:12 AM
really? did you notice that your link don't work?

The Link: http://biblicalstudies.qldwide.n ... ker_is_tricked.html

The link works just fine. Anyways since you've been deprived of this fine piece of writing, I've taken it upon me as a mission of upmost importance to bring that fine piece of reading to you in full text. Read on my dear Evangelical fiend!


Bible Story 20

THE TRICKER IS TRICKED
  
Jacob was seventy-seven years old when he started out on his journey from his home in Canaan to his uncle's home is Haran. As night fell he decided to stop and rest. That night he used a stone for a pillow and had a very strange dream. Jacob dreamed that he saw a ladder whose ends touched both heaven and earth. On this ladder were angels going up and down the ladder. Above the ladder Jacob saw the Lord who told Jacob that He would give to him and his descendants the land that he was sleeping on. That he would have many, many descendants, and that one of them would become a blessing to the whole world. The Lord also told Jacob that no matter where he went that the Lord would look after him and bring him back to this land......

This story is based on Genesis 29:1-35; 30:1-24; 35:16-18.

  http://biblicalstudies.ozwide.net.au

Debmey

Thanks for the working link now Fuzzy.

First of all, you did not quote directly from the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible did it say that Jacob was 70 when he first met Rachel. I'm not saying you are necessarily worng but can you show me one verse from teh Bible that says that?

Secondly, was Rachel's age ever mentioned? Can you please show me from the Bible Rachel's age whe she married Isaac?

Finally, what do you have to say about Mohd's paedophilia by having sex with a 9 year old Aisha?

Fuzzman

I say that Jacob can neccesarily be rightfully in his seventies, but then again I'd expect you to also put up proofs to show that he wasn't in his seventies when he met Rachel.

In the Bible Rachel was mentioned to be a shepardess tending to the family flock. In the culture of that era, it is a known fact that young girls and boys always take on the flock tendering duties.

As for the Prophet Mohammad'a accusation by you of paedophilia, and of having sex with a nine year old girl, you must first engage the issue of Jubair ibn Mut'im, Aishah's first suitor and first true engagement. Are you willing to discuss the engagement of Aishah and Jubair? Jubair holds the key to the destruction of your accusation of paedophilia. You know it that is why you flatly refuse discussing Jubair's social ties to Aishah.

No Jubair. No paedophilia.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Can't seem to get to your post. Some access glich I suppose. Anyways if you're keen on talking on the subject of Jubair, then I guess you're in for a open-skies-policy. If it's otherwise, then I'm sure you're in for a no-fly-zone compliance! LOL

ARI FUZZMAN

samyvellu

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased withher) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nineyears old.'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained withhim for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
thatthe Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e.till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till hisdeath).

Muhammad married a 6-year old and then had sex with the girl when she was  9-years old.



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disclaimer

APA YANG KAU MERAPU NI???!!!!

jaundice

Girls reach puberty at 9-14 years old. During that time, they are considered sexually matured, and are able to reproduce.

samyvellu

Originally posted by disclaimer at 7-4-2008 08:43 PM
APA YANG KAU MERAPU NI???!!!!

Why?
Cant accept your prophet had sex with a 9-year old girl?
Go read your hadiths.It is stated there

jaundice

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jaundice

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jaundice

quadrpostz.

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cendolcrepek

wtf ha samyvellu?? why u open dis topic?wtf:@ :@ :@ :@ :@

samyvellu

Originally posted by jaundice at 7-4-2008 08:46 PM
quadrpostz.

Prove that she is pre-pubescent:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha: I usedto play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girlfriends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enterthey used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to joinand play with me.(The playing with the dolls and similar images isforbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was alittle girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)(Fateh-al-Bari page143, Vol.13)

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samyvellu

Scientific prrof that Ayesha was pre-Pubescent

Historical Data on Age at Menarche

Early data

Ancient Rome 12-14

Medieval Europe 12-14

Medieval Middle East 12-13

http://www.mum.org/menarage.htm

jaundice

That hadith did not say that the prophet had sex with aisha when she was not yet reached puberty.