ct_og posted on 29-11-2013 09:59 AM
Ada pun disebut masa di sini disebabkan hanya Allah yang tahu berapa lamanya tempoh bagi sesuatu m ...
Ada pun disebut masa di sini disebabkan hanya Allah yang tahu berapa lamanya tempoh bagi sesuatu masa itu. Ada yang mengatakan bahawa 1 masa itu adalah melambangkan 1 hari sedangkan 1 hari di sana mengambil masa lebih dari 1000 tahun. Penciptaannya bermula pada hari Ahad dan berkahir pada hari Jumaat. Di sini pada setiap hari itu berlaku satu peringkat di mana peringkat pertama adalah di mana ianya daripada satu bahan yang tunggal dan homogen iaitu sama dengan bahan kamilan padu yang dinyatakan dalam Surah Al-Anbiya ayat 30.
Makna nya allah kamu tidak cipta bumi mengikut berperingkat-peringkat? Macam Tuhan saya DIA membuat berperingkat-peringkat kerana DIA ingin menunjuk contoh :
6 hari berkerja
1 hari rehat utk membuat kerohanian dan mengingati DIA
sekurang-kurang nya kita tahu dan mengharagai bumi di cipta 6 hari dan 1 hari iaitu sabtu utk mengingati ciptaan DIA...
mcm kamu punya ajaran tidak ada sebut dan jumaat .....tidak makna kalau berbanding dgn ajaram kami iaitu sabtu...
ada ayat yg ciptaan mula ahad dan berakhir jumaat?
Makna nya Allah kamu tidak cipta bumi mengikut berperingkat-peringkat?
Bukankah saya dah beritahu kamu yang Allah ciptakan alam ini berperingkat-peringkat di mana 6 peringkat itu mewakili 6 hari atau masa? Janganlah belitkan kebenaran setelah terbukti dalam al-Quran itu membawa kebenaran.
sekurang-kurang nya kita tahu dan mengharagai bumi di cipta 6 hari dan 1 hari iaitu sabtu utk mengingati ciptaan DIA...
Orang Islam diperintahkan oleh Allah untuk beribadah kepada Allah. Oleh itu kami melakukan ibadah kerana Dia sentiasa... kalau boleh setiap saat kalau kami tidak terlupa dan lalai. Pada hari Jumaat, Allah beri'bonos' kepada kami...
ada ayat yg ciptaan mula ahad dan berakhir jumaat?
Telah berkata Abu Jaa’far (Imam At-Tobari): “Sesungguhnya (Allah) tuan kamu dan Dia yang memperbaiki urusan kamu. Wahai manusia, Dia (Allah) yang disembah oleh kamu semua dengan segala jenis ibadah. Dialah yang mencipta langit dan bumi ini dalam enam masa iaitu, hari Ahad, Isnin, Selasa, Rabu, Khamis dan Jumaat.” (At-Tobari, jld 14, hlm, 482).
Telah berkata Mujahid, “Mula-mula diciptakan ialah Arasy, air, udara, serta diciptakan bumi daripada air. Dia telah mula menjadikannya pada hari Ahad, Isnin, Selasa, Rabu, Khamis, dan semuanya lengkap tercipta pada hari Jumaat. Setiap hari-hari itu adalah persamaan dengan 1000 tahun.” (At-Tobari, jld 14, hlm, 482)
Sila lihat kitab itu jika mahu cerita lebih lanjut.
Thanks for brining up the topic . it show how muslims think and react. Seriously, I am curious…are u guys stupid or islam shape u peoples?
Ok, let me explained GOD DNA….all of us have little DNA fromGOD . maybe part of it I think.. Why I said this, simple:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became aliving soul. Genesis 2:7
When God breathed into Adam nostril to bring life, it show part of HIS DNA in us.
That’s why we can see how humans can be creative in many fields. Some can make mold from soil tocreate idols like humans and their gods…etc.
This part of GOD DNA can make us spiritual if one can understand this. Of course satan will try to stop this in many way…
If we able to understand GOD DNA, I guess we can totally be spiritual .but Muslims failed to understand this because they are ‘hamba pada allah’ where else we Christians are Children of GOD… because part of HIS breathed in us like our Father… that is different between ur allah and mine…
Goodness , you are not even answering the question. I hope you are not drunk. My simple question :
You stated that God does not feel tired. Per your belief , humans are carbon copy of God. How come humans get tired?
Your answer
- 'karma' lah
- now 'God DNA' lah
Do you understand english? How come you 'syok sendiri' only? Issit you have no answers?
Truth.8 posted on 29-11-2013 09:37 AM
any verses to support? if true this what ur quran claimed, it failed...is not part of God idea... God is all powerful....when HE create the earth...it was pure dark and void. thats make sense...
than by HIS Light(Genesis 1:3)...thru HIS power, vibration and engery all came to life....thats makes sense.... came plants, sun , moon , stars, big bang and etc....
Thats reason GOD used HIS light .....it was HIS light that first creation like plants came...
You see how much different your teachings and mine...if one to read my writings and Bible....100% peoples will agreed on me and make sense....
Clearly, your quran cannot be word of god....
Verses to support what? Can you be a bit more specific?
Light can be many forms. Glimmering light , faded light etc. What makes you think the so called light from God fulfill the criteria for the plants to survive? You are again making an assumption.
The glaring thing here is that your bibical God created vegetation first then the sun - a scientific blunder. You still need to show the so called scientifc blunder in the Quran. Come on ... no ideas from you?
What is it now? 'Rest' or 'abstain'? These 2 words have different meanings.
Do you know what you are talking about?
You still have not answered the 3 contentions :
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Do all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from
sam1528 posted on 29-11-2013 02:05 PM
Goodness , you are not even answering the question. I hope you are not drunk. My simple question : ...
Goodness , you are not even answering the question. I hope you are not drunk. My simple question :
You stated that God does not feel tired. Per your belief , humans are carbon copy of God. How come humans get tired?
Your answer
- 'karma' lah
- now 'God DNA' lah
Do you understand english? How come you 'syok sendiri' only? Issit you have no answers?
muslims like u nothing but a cunning wolf ....already know the fact yet asking for more answer..
now you trying differienate between human in physical flesh and God in spritual ...this how islam have shape u....
Of course the meaning dna was not available during creations timebut if one to use...surly it GOD Dna we carrying ..simple as that
sam1528 posted on 29-11-2013 02:09 PM
Verses to support what? Can you be a bit more specific?
Light can be many forms. Glimmering lig ...
Verses to support what? Can you be a bit more specific?
does your quran got stated how the earth was form? in which verses? that what i mean
Light can be many forms. Glimmering light , faded light etc. What makes you think the so called light from God fulfill the criteria for the plants to survive? You are again making an assumption.
The glaring thing here is that your bibical God created vegetation first then the sun - a scientific blunder. You still need to show the so called scientifc blunder in the Quran. Come on ... no ideas from you?
How does the light come in beginning? Which source? Who’s energy? Does the light appear just like that? For example, a bulb it comes from many source...manufacture who make the bulb and energy comes from TNB which give life to the bulb to produced light.
So, where does the light come from?? Who is behind to produce such light until the plant come to alive and all living things??
Bukankah saya dah beritahu kamu yang Allah ciptakan alam ini berperingkat-peringkat di mana 6 peringkat itu mewakili 6 hari atau masa? Janganlah belitkan kebenaran setelah terbukti dalam al-Quran itu membawa kebenaran.
makna allah kamu membuat matahir dulu ke??
Orang Islam diperintahkan oleh Allah untuk beribadah kepada Allah. Oleh itu kami melakukan ibadah kerana Dia sentiasa... kalau boleh setiap saat kalau kami tidak terlupa dan lalai. Pada hari Jumaat, Allah beri'bonos' kepada kami...
kepercayaan saya juga beribadah juga....tapi sabtu itu ada makna ...yg kau kata jumaat allah beri bonos....ada ayat ke? atau sahaja nak cari bonos sebab itu kamu melakukan ibadat?? itu bukan iklas
Telah berkata Abu Jaa’far (Imam At-Tobari): “Sesungguhnya (Allah) tuan kamu dan Dia yang memperbaiki urusan kamu. Wahai manusia, Dia (Allah) yang disembah oleh kamu semua dengan segala jenis ibadah. Dialah yang mencipta langit dan bumi ini dalam enam masa iaitu, hari Ahad, Isnin, Selasa, Rabu, Khamis dan Jumaat.” (At-Tobari, jld 14, hlm, 482).
Kan saya dah beritahu bahawa peringkat pertama adalah alam ini bersatu. Dikala itu ada saintis mengatakan ianya dalam bentuk 'asap tebal' atau gas. Tiada apa-apa di kala itu Peringkat ke dua adalah bila berlakunya letupan. Langit dan bumi terpisah. Kemudian barulah terjadinya matahari, bumi dan lain-lain planet.
kepercayaan saya juga beribadah juga....tapi sabtu itu ada makna ...yg kau kata jumaat allah beri bonos....ada ayat ke? atau sahaja nak cari bonos sebab itu kamu melakukan ibadat?? itu bukan iklas
Tentang ikhlas tu hanya Allah sahaja yang tahu. Bab bonos tu pun Allah yang beri tanpa orang Islam pinta. Itu tanda kemurahan Allah untuk orang-orang yang beriman kepadanya. Kamu TAK tahu apa bonos yang Allah beri pada penganut Islam pasal tu kamu melalut tentang ikhlas.
makna nya hari pertama dia buat matahari??
Telah dijawab bahawa bukan hari pertama matahari diciptakan
Kan saya dah beritahu bahawa peringkat pertama adalah alam ini bersatu. Dikala itu ada saintis mengatakan ianya dalam bentuk 'asap tebal' atau gas. Tiada apa-apa di kala itu Peringkat ke dua adalah bila berlakunya letupan. Langit dan bumi terpisah. Kemudian barulah terjadinya matahari, bumi dan lain-lain planet.
ini semua ada bukti atau ada ayat quran?? gas lah, asas tebal lah, letupan lah..ini u panggil peringkat ke?? macam cacat akal punya tulisan.
jom baca macam mana DIA membuat dunia ini dgn terperinci dan peringkat:
Genesis 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
baca lagi : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1
Tentang ikhlas tu hanya Allah sahaja yang tahu. Bab bonos tu pun Allah yang beri tanpa orang Islam pinta. Itu tanda kemurahan Allah untuk orang-orang yang beriman kepadanya. Kamu TAK tahu apa bonos yang Allah beri pada penganut Islam pasal tu kamu melalut tentang ikhlas.
saya membuat dgn iklas...tak ingin pun pasal bonos lah...pahala ..
iklas kena dtg dgn kerohanian , akhlak dan kejujuran...bukan mengharapkan bonos dan pahala...macam budak2 ....kalau buat baik...nanti dpt gula..... Last edited by Truth.8 on 29-11-2013 05:59 PM
Truth.8 posted on 29-11-2013 04:27 PM
muslims like u nothing but a cunning wolf ....already know the fact yet asking for more answer..
now you trying differienate between human in physical flesh and God in spritual ...this how islam have shape u....
Of course the meaning dna was not available during creations timebut if one to use...surly it GOD Dna we carrying ..simple as that
What facts have you provided so far? I repeat my simple question :
You stated that God does not feel tired. Per your belief , humans are carbon copy of God. How come humans get tired?
You claim your God in biblical Jesus came in the flesh and you additionally claim that humans are carbon copies of God. If yes , then the above question contradicts your faith and belief.
Ha ha , God DNA? You stated earlier that , in your words :
God in spritual
In spirit where got DNA lah tambi. You must have been smoking something that is really strong
Why you go around in circles chasing your own backside?
Truth.8 posted on 29-11-2013 04:31 PM
does your quran got stated how the earth was form? in which verses? that what i mean
The Quran mentions the earth forming together with the sun and it was populated thereafter. The verse has been provided earlier. It is your problem that you do not seem to read what I stated. This makes sense as the solar system was formed when the universe came to being. Life came later.
How does the light come in beginning? Which source? Who’s energy? Does the light appear just like that? For example, a bulb it comes from many source...manufacture who make the bulb and energy comes from TNB which give life to the bulb to produced light.
So, where does the light come from?? Who is behind to produce such light until the plant come to alive and all living things??
That has never been my contention. What I asked - what kind of light? You are just making an assumption that such light supports vegetation. For the people who studied science , we know that it is impossible to have vegetation before the sun existed. This is a blunder in the bible. All you have is to repeat ..... its the power of God ..... its the power of God but denying the scientific blunder in the bible. You are living in denial. Typical of a brain fried Christian Fundie ...
You still have not answered the 3 contentions :
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Do all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from
Apa la Si Truth.8 ni.. bila akal dia tak sempurna, saya dah terangkan banyak kali pun tak faham-faham lagi.... apa yang kamu copy dan paste dari bible tu peringkat yang pertengahan... sedang sebelum terciptanya bumi dan langit ni, alam ni tak ada apa-apa... itu peringkat permulaan.. peringkat pertama di mana di kala tu yang ada cuma gas... saintis dah buktikan pun masih duk melalut lagi.... tak percaya pergi tanya saintis la.... saintis barat yang bukan Islam pun dah akui yang permulaan alam ni bermula dari gas....
Kalau tak tahu bonos apa yang Allah beri pada hari Jumaat pada umat Islam maka jangan melalut la Truth.8 sebab itu menampakkan dengan jelas kecacatan otak kamu. Apa kena mengena hari Jumaat dengan ikhlas? Tak tahu bertanya le.. jangan dok buat angapan jeeee... hehehe.... memang kuat berangan rupanya kamu ni....
sam1528 posted on 29-11-2013 06:13 PM
What facts have you provided so far? I repeat my simple question :
You stated that God does not ...
You stated that God does not feel tired. Per your belief , humans are carbon copy of God. How come humans get tired?
still denying....cant even see the different spiritual form and physcial form?
You claim your God in biblical Jesus came in the flesh and you additionally claim that humans are carbon copies of God. If yes , then the above question contradicts your faith and belief.
nope it did not contradic...Jesus was in mary womb as human in flesh ...he was breathed by Holy spirit in worm of mary... u pretending
In spirit where got DNA lah tambi. You must have been smoking something that is really strong
of coursel lah GOD DNA...he breathed in nostril into adam...just admit ur quran failed to explained
sam1528 posted on 29-11-2013 06:20 PM
The Quran mentions the earth forming together with the sun and it was populated thereafter. The ve ...
That has never been my contention. What I asked - what kind of light? You are just making an assumption that such light supports vegetation. For the people who studied science , we know that it is impossible to have vegetation before the sun existed. This is a blunder in the bible. All you have is to repeat ..... its the power of God ..... its the power of God but denying the scientific blunder in the bible. You are living in denial. Typical of a brain fried Christian Fundie ...
I have explained in details ..if u failed to understand this simple things...u pretending and not being honest...
Truth.8 posted on 29-11-2013 07:21 PM
still denying....cant even see the different spiritual form and physcial form?
Like I stated , biblical Jesus your so called God came in the flesh. If you are carbon copies of God , therefore you shouldn't get tired. Biblical Jesus also got tired. Are humans carbon copies of God? If not biblical Jesus is not God.
nope it did not contradic...Jesus was in mary womb as human in flesh ...he was breathed by Holy spirit in worm of mary... u pretending
To correct you. the 'holy spirit' raped biblical mary per luk1:35 (bible niv)
The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Is God in spirit or flesh?
of coursel lah GOD DNA...he breathed in nostril into adam...just admit ur quran failed to explained
Fuyoo , your biblical God breathed DNA into biblical Adam? You stated God is spirit per your post#185. Do explain to us just how DNA can come in 'spiritual form'?
Truth.8 posted on 29-11-2013 07:24 PM
I have explained in details ..if u failed to understand this simple things...u pretending and not being honest...
I cannot understand and most rational people do not understand.
How can your God create vegetation first then sun. Very susah lo. You stated your God gave light. What kind of light? You are just assuming here.
Did your biblical God rest or abstain in the 7th day?
You still have not answered the 3 contentions :
(1) the bible has serious scientific contradiction , vegetation created first then sun
(2) who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit'?
(3) Do all of the angels have arrogance/pride? Where does this arrogance and pride comes from
sam1528 posted on 29-11-2013 10:43 PM
Like I stated , biblical Jesus your so called God came in the flesh. If you are carbon copies of G ...
When God breathed in nostril of Adam ...there is God spirit in him which made of flesh...something like DNA which cannot be seen in physical eyes..in quran it did not mention how adam came life instead it claimed it was made of soil...watch
Watchman Video Broadcast 02-05-12, Jesus Christ, DNA and the H
Truth.8 posted on 30-11-2013 10:31 AM
When God breathed in nostril of Adam ...there is God spirit in him which made of flesh...something like DNA which cannot be seen in physical eyes..in quran it did not mention how adam came life instead it claimed it was made of soil...watch
Watchman Video Broadcast 02-05-12, Jesus Christ, DNA and the H
If there is God spirit in biblical Adam (hence you) then you are God. No need to worship God.
Your Ignorance is showing again. The Quran explained that man came to life by the created spirit from Allah , Quran32:9 (sahih International)
Then He proportioned him and breathed into him from His [created] soul and made for you hearing and vision and hearts; little are you grateful.
The difference here is that Christians like you claim that you have God in you. Then by logic , you are God , no need to worship God anymore. However the Quran makes the distinction , our soul is from Allah (not of Allah) or created by Allah.
The Quran mentions that man was made from the quintessence of clay whereas the bible states that man made from dust. Studies is leaning towards the Quran's explanation , not the bible :
Clay, a seemingly infertile blend of minerals, might have been the birthplace of life on Earth. Or at least of the complex biochemicals that make life possible, Cornell University biological engineers report in the Nov. 7 online issue of the journal Scientific Reports, published by Nature Publishing.
Truth.8 posted on 1-12-2013 09:44 AM
hahahha sam already suck...not able answer my question
Ha ha - a very simple answer :
If there is God spirit in biblical Adam (hence you) then you are God. No need to worship God.
Then by logic , you are God , no need to worship God anymore. However the Quran makes the distinction , our soul is from Allah (not of Allah) or created by Allah.
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Post time 29-11-2013 12:23 PM
?? macam cacat akal punya tulisan.
