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The Bible mentioned abt Human Spirit(roh) but Muslims unable to explain
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Reply #172 Truth.8's post
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TRUTH.8
Can other people controlling other peoples SPIRIT? |
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Originally posted by loona at 7-10-2006 03:32 PM
Are you having problems with linguistic?
Read carefuly...
It is three different things here...
1)pendengaran
2)penglihatan
3)hati (akal fikiran)
Not ....
Not two things becomes one ...
Great i am having good time with stupidity of muslims who think that heart is actually mind.hahahahah
ok, do u mind giving the sura in english as follows and tell which sura and verses:
Kemudian Dia menyempurnakan kejadiannya, serta meniupkan padanya: Roh ciptaanNya. Dan Dia mengurniakan kepada kamu pendengaran dan penglihatan serta hati (akal fikiran), (supaya kamu bersyukur, tetapi) amatlah sedikit kamu bersyukur. As Sajadah 9
i will discuss more about this issue and let see the studitiy of a religion who claimed that mind located in heart |
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Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 11:30 AM
TRUTH.8
Can other people controlling other peoples SPIRIT?
can i control ur spirit?? u used brain ....oh i think u cant used ur brain because since ur muslims belived ur mind located in heart |
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by TRUTH.8
can i control ur spirit?? u used brain ....oh i think u cant used ur brain because since ur muslims belived ur mind located in heart
Hmmmm....
If you say other people can not control others SPIRIT. its OK.. I Say its true. BUT
You say SPIRIT is IN HUMAN BRAIN that is MIND.
YOU SAY SPIRIT IS THE MIND .
SO... Something that confusing, How about MIND-CONTROLLING?
IF YOU SAY MIND IS THE SPIRIT. Post #101
THATS MEAN PEOPLE CAN NOT CONTROL OTHERS PEOPLE MIND.
SO, WHAT IS YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT HYPNOSIS?
ARE THEY CONTROLLING MIND OR SOMETHING ELSE?
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Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 11:54 AM
Hmmmm....
If you say other people can not control others SPIRIT. its OK.. I Say its true. BUT
You say SPIRIT is IN HUMAN BRAIN that is MIND.
YOU SAY SPIRIT IS THE MIND .
SO... Something that confusing, How about MIND-CONTROLLING?
IF YOU SAY MIND IS THE SPIRIT. Post #101
THATS MEAN PEOPLE CAN NOT CONTROL OTHERS PEOPLE MIND.
SO, WHAT IS YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT HYPNOSIS?
ARE THEY CONTROLLING MIND OR SOMETHING ELSE?
satan can control ur mind as well , is that mean ur mind totally belong to others?? no but it control ur mind which is urs .
as for hypnosis, it stil ur mind. tell, me this......if u think ur mind belong to others , does it make logic?
no wonder why muhammad u muslims always do not understand the about human spirit.
i am sure many educated peoples do agreed that the our mind is control by human spirit not heart control by human spirit
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 12:15 PM ] |
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is the below statments in :
Kemudian Dia menyempurnakan kejadiannya, serta meniupkan padanya: Roh ciptaanNya. Dan Dia mengurniakan kepada kamu pendengaran dan penglihatan serta hati (akal fikiran), (supaya kamu bersyukur, tetapi) amatlah sedikit kamu bersyukur. As Sajadah 9
in english
sura 32: Adoration
9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?
this link : http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm
another koran verses says :
AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
032-009. Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
this link :http://www.birdnest.org/msa/as-sajda.htm
now which is which is genuine ?
surly something not rite here.
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 12:10 PM ] |
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Sesungguhnya sejahat-jahat (makhluk) yang melata di sisi (hukum dan ketetapan) Allah ialah orang-orang yang kafir (yang degil dengan kekufurannya). Sebab itu mereka tidak (mahu) beriman. (al Anfaal 55) |
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Originally posted by digweed at 9-10-2006 12:07 PM
Sesungguhnya sejahat-jahat (makhluk) yang melata di sisi (hukum dan ketetapan) Allah ialah orang-orang yang kafir (yang degil dengan kekufurannya). Sebab itu mereka tidak (mahu) beriman. (al Anfaal ...
dari pada mengunakan kata2 demikian , apa kata kita berbincang dgn fakta with more common sense |
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My Questions
SO, WHAT IS YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT HYPNOSIS?
ARE THEY CONTROLLING MIND OR SOMETHING ELSE?
Your answer
satan can control ur mind as well , is that mean ur mind totally belong to others?? no but it control ur mind which is urs .
as for hypnosis, it stil ur mind. tell, me this......if u think ur mind belong to others , does it make logic?
I am not saying PEOPLE TAKE OTHERS PEOPLE MIND.
I SAID CONTROLLING MIND. ITS DIFFERENT.
YOU SAID SPIRIT CAN NOT BE CONTROLLED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
as for hypnosis, it stil ur mind.
Yes, I Agree, but how come people can control my SPIRIT?
You say, SPIRIT CANNOT BE CONTROLLED BY OTHERS PEOPLE.
by Truth.8
i am sure many educated peoples do agreed that the our mind is control by human spirit not heart control by human spirit
MIND CONTROLLED BY SPIRIT not same with SPIRIT INSIDE OUR MIND.
satan can control ur mind as well , is that mean ur mind totally belong to others?? no but it control ur mind which is urs .
DID SATAN CAN CONTROL OUR SPIRIT?
I am asking one Christians, He said no such thing SPIRIT inside BRAIN.  |
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I am not saying PEOPLE TAKE OTHERS PEOPLE MIND.
I SAID CONTROLLING MIND. ITS DIFFERENT.
YOU SAID SPIRIT CAN NOT BE CONTROLLED BY OTHER PEOPLE.
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Are u saying satan evil spirit cannot control ur human spriti??
...yet human spirit is belong to individual but once it been possessed by evil spriti , is that not control ur spirit and mind been possessed by ' mind control by spirit"? did not God will comes to pour HIS holy spirit into how human spirit??
think with logical, ok not some vain stupid question.
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Yes, I Agree, but how come people can control my SPIRIT?
You say, SPIRIT CANNOT BE CONTROLLED BY OTHERS PEOPLE.
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unless u have weak spririt it can be control but it still ur spirit
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DID SATAN CAN CONTROL OUR SPIRIT?
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than how come many humans behaving hysterical??
mind explaining that??
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I am asking one Christians, He said no such thing SPIRIT inside BRAIN.
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unless u explain like what i hve explained than he understood.
Originally posted by i212 at 6-10-2006 11:29 AM
But not even one say SPIRIT IN BRAIN.. Are you confuse man?
agian muhammad followers showing their stupditiy mental mind.
let me educate u muhammad followers in simple terms with photos.
this is brain :
inside there is mind. this mind an instrument for us to feel, smell that goes in brain via mind , see things and etc . all those things kept in data forms thru mind. now, the mind itself cannot function by itself....it has to have some source of spiritual input by GOD.
Each and individual have their own spiritual mind. That is why the Bible keep on saying that prayer, fasting & remembering God all time will gives good spiritual mind. If this lacking in our life, those spiritual human mind will be corrupt with evil spiritual mind. So, the Bible was right "mind control by spirit"
Yet, there is not even single verses human spirit that God put in mind in Koran because false prophet do not understand spirit things.
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 12:41 PM ] |
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unless u have weak spririt it can be control but it still ur spirit
Now you say SPIRIT can be CONTROLLED by others.
hmmm... Contradiction here.
than how come many humans behaving hysterical??
mind explaining that??
So, if like that, WHERE our SPIRIT that time?
Are u saying satan evil spirit cannot control ur human spriti??
...yet human spirit is belong to individual but once it been possessed by evil spriti , is that not control ur spirit and mind been possessed by ' mind control by spirit"? did not God will comes to pour HIS holy spirit into how human spirit??
think with logical, ok not some vain stupid question.
Really not understand your english.. rephrase please. |
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Now you say SPIRIT can be CONTROLLED by others.
hmmm... Contradiction here.
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where got contradiction? u do not understand. is very simple . Why than God Holy Spirit comes into Christians Human Spirit? Yet the Bible spoke same 'mind control by spirit"
When God spirit depart, we are still ourself with our own human spirit.
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So, if like that, WHERE our SPIRIT that time?
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it been possesses, u understand the meaning possessed??
u seem like small kids who need to be taugh ABC
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Really not understand your english.. rephrase please.
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it is u do not understand.
why not called any doctor , as them " is that possible that our mind is control by human spirit" or u can ask ' is our human spirit located at brain inside the mind" |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 11:44 AM
Great i am having good time with stupidity of muslims who think that heart is actually mind.hahahahah
Please study the verb universally..."hati" (in malay) sometimes refer to mind (akal), sparingly used in general speaking, or common understanding, And it should look in context, rather than the word by itself. We do understand the term clearly between hati(jiwa)(heart) dan akal(fikiran)(mind),and I think you also understand these words. e.g. "hati yang tenang" will give same meaning with "fikiran yang tenang" or "peace of mind". same also with "jiwa kacau", but people dont really say "hati kacau".
What I want conclude here the meaning of hati on this context is "mind" not "heart" |
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Originally posted by loona at 9-10-2006 12:56 PM
Please study the verb universally..."hati" (in malay) sometimes refer to mind (akal), sparingly used in general speaking, or common understanding, And it should look in context, rathe ...
is the below statments in :
Kemudian Dia menyempurnakan kejadiannya, serta meniupkan padanya: Roh ciptaanNya. Dan Dia mengurniakan kepada kamu pendengaran dan penglihatan serta hati (akal fikiran), (supaya kamu bersyukur, tetapi) amatlah sedikit kamu bersyukur. As Sajadah 9
in english
sura 32: Adoration
9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?
this link : http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm
another koran verses says :
AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
032-009. Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
this link :http://www.birdnest.org/msa/as-sajda.htm
now which is which is genuine ?
surly something not rite here. |
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where got contradiction? u do not understand. is very simple . Why than God Holy Spirit comes into Christians Human Spirit? Yet the Bible spoke same 'mind control by spirit"
When God spirit depart, we are still ourself with our own human spirit.
Hey... its your SAYING man.
First, YOU say other people SPIRIT can not controlled by OTHERS
Then you said unless your SPIRIT is Weak, others can take control.
So... its mean contradiction.. duh.
How about Pyschic?
Is their SPIRIT can travel everywhere or what? |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 01:02 PM
is the below statments in :
Kemudian Dia menyempurnakan kejadiannya, serta meniupkan padanya: Roh ciptaanNya. Dan Dia mengurniakan kepada kamu pendengaran dan penglihatan serta hati (akal ...
another koran verses says :
AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
032-009. Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
I cant see anything wrong here. Clearly stated 2 things here.
1) Ruh - unique by itself, its own entity
2) ears, eyes and hearts -lso unique by itself, then
become one complete creation of humanbeings |
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Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 01:05 PM
Hey... its your SAYING man.
First, YOU say other people SPIRIT can not controlled by OTHERS
Then you said unless your SPIRIT is Weak, others can take control.
So... its mean contradiction.. duh.
How about Pyschic?
Is their SPIRIT can travel everywhere or what?
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The question u should ask does ur spirit belong to others?? can ur spirit possessed by evil spirit? Can pyschic with humans spirit of her/him can travel others ?
than u get information that the bible says "mind control by spirit ' not heart control by spirit which claimed by koran verses |
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Originally posted by loona at 9-10-2006 01:11 PM
I cant see anything wrong here. Clearly stated 2 things here.
1) Ruh - unique by itself, its own entity
2) ears, eyes and hearts -lso unique by itself, then
become one complete creation o ...
u are blind or what?
this another version of ur koran says:
sura 32: Adoration
9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?
this link : http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm
how come different sayings?? |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 01:14 PM
u are blind or what?
this another version of ur koran says:
sura 32: Adoration
9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the me ...
That's wrong sura verse no. I think the web mistakenly put wrong sura at wrong place.
As-Sajda (32:09) should be...
"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!" |
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Post time 9-10-2006 11:23 AM
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