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one thing that I noticed, those hard critics of our beloved prophet, MUHAMMAD saw, in the west, when called for debates with Muslims, they always fumbled and losed out when asked to proven their allegations. And upon checking their background, my goodness, some are bankruptcies in the real sense, some always visit the prostitutes.
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adults say how one talks reflects his characters. i guess those who luvs to talk porno r dirty old men in real sense of the word :cak: |
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 13-11-2005 05:11 PM
as u can c piggy pagan, u're caught in ur own web of hatred against mohammad who has done u no wrong. u drool over mohammad's wives n concubines n wotever. but u're blind towards others' deed ...
Yo Yahoodi wannabe.. you asked and i shown you that Mo had concubines.. with reference from Quran and hadith.. so deal with it.
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 13-11-2005 05:11 PM
In Islam, a woman captured as bounty in a battle, could be taken as a slave, and used as a concubine. But, if she gave birth to a child from her master, she would be set free, and would become a part of society.
That's right..
But did you realise what you wrote? sex with prisoners of war?? Isn't that rape?
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Originally posted by Iman_6 at 15-11-2005 08:32 AM
one thing that I noticed, those hard critics of our beloved prophet, MUHAMMAD saw, in the west, when called for debates with Muslims, they always fumbled and losed out when asked to proven their allegations. And upon checking their background, my goodness, some are bankruptcies in the real sense, some always visit the prostitutes.
Ahh.. prostitutes. Did you know, Muhammad had approved prostitution in the form of temporary marriage?
The Shia's of Iran still practice this temporary marriage.
check out this.. http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/
[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 at 20-11-2005 05:49 AM ] |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 15-11-2005 04:01 AM
Mary was a wife of the Holy Prophet according to Sahih Muslim vol.4 footnote p.2835. p.1351.Mary is said to have married the Prophet and certainly everyone gave her the same title of respect as the Prophet's wives, 'Umm al Muminin' 'Mother of the Believers'.Certainly she wouldn't got the title if she was not Prophet Muhammad wife.It should be clear that Islam raised the status of slaves higher than that of free men in un-Islamic societies even by modern standards.The Prophet (SAW) elevated her status by marrying her, instead of making her his slave.
Is there any hadiths that mentions about the wedding between Mo and Mary/Mariam? Don't think there is any.
From Islamic sorces, Mary/Mariam/Mariyah the slave concubine of Mo was considered freed women only after she gave birth to Mo' son Ibrahim.
There is also a story about Mariam that nearly caused toy divorce all his wives. Mo end up sexually-boycotting all his wives for one month.
ref: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fund ... bt.html#003.043.648
ref: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/mariyah.htm
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 20-11-2005 04:06 AM
Is there any hadiths that mentions about the wedding between Mo and Mary/Mariam? Don't think there is any.
From Islamic sorces, Mary/Mariam/Mariyah the slave concubine of Mo was considered freed women only after she gave birth to Mo' son Ibrahim.
There is also a story about Mariam that nearly caused toy divorce all his wives. Mo end up sexually-boycotting all his wives for one month.
ref: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fund ... bt.html#003.043.648
ref: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/mariyah.htm
How pathetic can you be when you copy and paste from anti muslim hate site, this is what you get, hate and lies.Anyway all these lies and fabrications are refuted in details here:
Please refer to these sites that I will give to you to find ALL the answers and the rebuttals for these pathetic haters and again you can see Ali Zina was caught with his pants down. lol:lol
http://www.answering-christianit ... uttaltoalisina9.htm |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 20-11-2005 05:50 AM
How pathetic can you be when you copy and paste from anti muslim hate site, this is what you get, hate and lies.Anyway all these lies and fabr ...
Why are you denying the facts that Muhammad had concubines? Are you ashamed?
At least there are some real muslims who admit that Muhammad had concubines.. Check out the answer from Islam-qa.com for question #10382
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
ref: http://63.175.194.25/index.php?s ... =39&submit.y=12
The story of Muhammad getting caught with his pants down by Hafsa..is from another nemesis of islam.. answering-islam.org
Al-Baiz鈝i, (Commentary Vol.II, pp. 340-341), gives an explanation of this passage:
"It is related that Mohammed was alone in company with Mary in Ayshah's or Hafsah's turn. Hafsah became aware of that and therefore scolded him about it. He declared he had taken an oath, but admitted his unlawful behaviour, therefore these verses descended." ("Mizanu'l Haqq, page 330). (The "Mishkat" names Zainab instead of Hafsah - "Mishkat" II, pages 680-681).
The complete story is told in the Rauzatu'r Saf |
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You know what Faithhealer, I never read such hadiths. Really there's nothing to be ashamed of. As far as I'm concerned, the hadiths (though serves as supporting documents to the Holy Quran) shd be reconciled with the Holy Quran & the Muslims shd ensure its authenticity & whether it comes from the reliable sources.
The main thing - reconcile it with the Holy Quran. Afterall, the Prophet saw. lived more than 1400 yrs ago. People can change & add to the hadiths from time to time & obviously, it was not based on the true accounts of the Prophet's life. And we can't even verify whether these people had met the prophet themselves or even lived during the period. We can't give assurance & guarantee on the hadiths.
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Furthermore, Allah swt. doesn't choose someone with low moral to be one of His Messengers. It has to be someone with good akhlak!!! |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 20-11-2005 03:59 AM
Yo Yahoodi wannabe.. you asked and i shown you that Mo had concubines.. with reference from Quran and hadith.. so deal with it.
indeed u're dirty ole man piggy pagan coz u luv porno to keep ur paganism erect. read me re cut n paste. as me said u harp on mohammad who has done u no wrong yet u play blind to bishops n rabbis. wonder why?
But did you realise what y ... But did you realise what you wrote? sex with prisoners of war?? Isn't that rape?
is there marriage? if there is then thats legal sex rite? rape comes in when u harp on others withou HARDproofs from reliable sources. in other words u rape mohammads intergrity to satisfy ur lust to think, talk, live like dirty ole pig err man. exactly like ur mentor spammer heckler 3 heade u know who 
peace
In all three Divine religions, concubines were allowed, but then gradually dispensed with.
The existence in Judaism and Christianity is evidenced in the link http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/concubine.html.
In Islam, a woman captured as bounty in a battle, could be taken as a slave, and used as a concubine. But, if she gave birth to a child from her master, she would be set free, and would become a part of society. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 20-11-2005 03:59 AM
Yo Yahoodi wannabe.. you asked and i shown you that Mo had concubines.. with reference from Quran and hadith.. so deal with it.
indeed u're dirty ole man piggy pagan coz u luv porno to keep ur paganism erect. read me re cut n paste. as me said u harp on mohammad who has done u no wrong yet u play blind to bishops n rabbis. wonder why?
But did you realise what y ... But did you realise what you wrote? sex with prisoners of war?? Isn't that rape?
is there marriage? if there is then thats legal sex rite? rape comes in when u harp on others withou HARDproofs from reliable sources. in other words u rape mohammads intergrity to satisfy ur lust to think, talk, live like dirty ole pig err man. exactly like ur mentor spammer heckler 3 headed u know who
peace
In all three Divine religions, concubines were allowed, but then gradually dispensed with.
The existence in Judaism and Christianity is evidenced in the link http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/concubine.html.
In Islam, a woman captured as bounty in a battle, could be taken as a slave, and used as a concubine. But, if she gave birth to a child from her master, she would be set free, and would become a part of society.
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in other words u rape mohammads intergrity to satisfy ur lust to think, talk, live like dirty ole pig err man. exactly like ur mentor spammer heckler 3 headed u know who , by sonny
exactly. perfectly describes FH3 setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju: |
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
indeed u're dirty ole man piggy pagan
F-U
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
coz u luv porno to keep ur paganism erect.
F-U SOB
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
read me re cut n paste. as me said u harp on mohammad who has done u no wrong yet u play blind to bishops n rabbis. wonder why?
wonder no more.. fool.. it's b'cos Mo was a hypocrite.. who claims to be the examplar for others to imitate. Those frekin bishop or rabbi or imam or monk are scumbags who DON'T claim to be example for other to imitate.
Mo talk the talk but didn't walk the walk. He ordered stoning for adultery but he himself was an adulterer.
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
is there marriage? if there is then thats legal sex rite? rape comes in when u harp on others withou HARDproofs from reliable sources.
What kind of fool are you SunnyBoy? you are acting like a retard even after i gave the prove.
click on the link below for the answer from muslims that Mo indeed had concibines.
.. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?s ... =39&submit.y=12
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 24-11-2005 07:40 AM
in other words u rape mohammads intergrity to satisfy ur lust to think, talk, live like dirty ole pig err man. exactly like ur mentor spammer heckler 3 headed u know who
Have a nice day u SOB
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Originally posted by Iman_6 at 25-11-2005 08:50 PM
exactly. perfectly describes FH3 setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju:
idiot.. you are wrong.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-11-2005 10:44 PM
F-U
the dirty ole man piggy pagan has squealed impotent
dirty ole man cant talk without spewin sh1ts
wonder no more.. fool.. it's b'cos Mo was a hypocrite.. who claims to be the examplar for others to imitate. Those frekin bishop or rabbi or imam or monk are scumbags who DON'T claim to be example for other to imitate.
there ur fukin brain in ur arsehole agin. indeed they preach. otherwise they wouldnt be called rabbis, bishops, monks etc
Mo talk the talk but didn't walk the walk. He ordered stoning for adultery but he himself was an adulterer.
wheres the HARDproof? no HARDproof means ure fukin liar who harps on mohammad who has done u no wrong cept hes a muslim n u dirty ole pagan. burp
There was no marriage between Mo and his concubines.
What kind of fool are you SunnyBoy? you are acting like a retard even after i gave the prove.
click on the link below for the answer from muslims that Mo indeed had concibines.
.. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?s ... =39&submit.y=12
fukin liar. read ur link intelligently. ur interpretation stinks. in other words u wanna rape mohammads intergrity to satisfy ur lust to think, talk, live like dirty ole pagan
yup continue wallowin in ur pigsty
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GO ON FH3, KEEP STINKING YOUR OWN PIGSTY .:kerek::gila:
PEACE TO YOU SONNY, YOURE RIGHT ALL ALONG. :hatdown::tq: |
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 1-12-2005 06:51 AM
*the dirty ole man piggy pagan has squealed impotent
*dirty ole man cant talk without spewin sh1ts
*there ur fukin brain in ur arsehole agin.
*fukin liar.
*yup continue wallowin in ur pigsty
all those replies.. crappy replies of yours deserve nutin' but a big.. F-U SOB
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 1-12-2005 06:51 AM
indeed they preach. otherwise they wouldnt be called rabbis, bishops, monks etc
anyway, they are not the founder of the religion they preach.. they are just followers of the religion they preach.
and you forgot to include ur freakin' imams/mullahs.. in the list.
and i'm not only not pickin' on those freakin' bishops or rabbis or monks.. i ain't pickin on those multi-wive imam/mullahs who boink their daughters too.. but i just pick on one hypocrite who claimed to be perfect being.
so how many of the bishops or rabbis or mullah or monks had more than a dozen wifes and had sex with slave girls?.. and yet is called "the perfect examplar for others to imitate" a.k.a Al-Insan Al-Kamil?
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 1-12-2005 06:51 AM
wheres the HARDproof?no HARDproof means ure fukin liar who harps on mohammad who has done u no wrong cept hes a muslim n u dirty ole pagan. burp
already given to you. now you wanna play dumb? are u retard?
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 1-12-2005 06:51 AM
read ur link intelligently. ur interpretation stinks.
read again..oh lazy muzzie.. pay attention to the past islamic scholar they quote.. and remember, all of them based their judgement on sex with slaves/concubines based on quran.
Question #10382: Ruling on having intercourse with a slave woman when one has a wife
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
This is indicated by the Qur抋an and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa抏el (may peace be upon them all).
Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
揂nd if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice |
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I thought you're an atheist. Sometimes I wonder whether you're just pretending to be one & the true fact, you're one of the Christian preachers. As an atheist, I don't think you need to act like those Christian preachers trying to find ways to make Islam & Prophet Mohammad saw. look very bad. Don't you think you shd be preaching things like there's no God to be worshipped & not wasting time on these kind of stuff?
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Post time 15-11-2005 08:32 AM
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