Kenapa ilmu kebatinan/pendinding syirik?

SoalanSaya

Kan Tuhan yg beri kuasa ghaib tu semua. Kalau syirik, watpe Allah nak menyemak bagi kuasa ghaib tu pd korang?

mbhcsf

nampak tak lompang kefahaman  d sini ...

apa maksud syirik ?
apa maksud memahami perkara ghaib ...ada pecahan

apa kaitan ...

hehehe

soalan ni biasa ni ...

jenis  yg nak melihat sesuatu tu wujud hanya apabila tampak zahir di depan mata kasar dan boleh diukur...

zulkifleerahman

Kuasa ghaib tu allah beri pasal engko yg mintak pada jin .
Jin pulak mintak permission dari allah..allah kalau kabul kan
dapat la engko...persoalan nya nak di amalkan ke tidak?

Emoloser

kalau nak dapat kuasa ghaib, amalkan mandi air garam

SoalanSaya

see. ramalanku benar belaka. mereke cuma beri jawapan dalam bentuk format fantasi dan anak2 kecil umur 5 tahun. semua ni terjadi bila kita takutkan api neraka yg xpernah wujud, sampaikan kita sendiri tak boleh berfikir dan fikiran mcm budak2 pun kita xsedar.

mbhcsf

SoalanSaya posted on 3-11-2014 07:09 PM
see. ramalanku benar belaka. mereke cuma beri jawapan dalam bentuk format fantasi dan anak2 kecil um ...

pertama  awak salah  sebab

a child of 5 years  can only begin to mentally  manipulate objects and events, they are basically arrested atthis stage called  egocentric thinking - all they think is about themselves, or things related to themselves. i.e they unable to view / see the viewpoint of others.

so u see, religion - Islam is so simple and complex at the same time - complex as it does not  impose any difficulty towards the followers -  i mean the prescribed rules in Islam  etc etc are the one that can be easily carried out  by  the willing heart belongs to  those obedient , pious, good Muslims, yet at the same time is  very simple- why islam is simple ?  this is due to the fact that you only  have to believe in the Oneness of ALLAH SWT - the supreme creator of the whole universe etc - that's it and Muhammad SAW is the Last messenger . There is no MEDIUM between ALLAH SWT and you as  HIs servant . If you have commited a sinful act  - ask for repentance from HIM -u dont have to ask another being of whom you   never know to grant you the pardon ....right ??? If you commit mistake between your fella humans - all you need to do is seek forgiveness from the person and then ALLAH. In islam what you gotta do as  god's servant is clearly dictated approximately more than a thousand of years ago, the reason why you are in this world is generally outlined and  so as the do and donts  in this world - all of these have been addressed  in the Quran , Hadith and conveyed by the messenger. All you gotta do is to seek the truth and find it and live yourlife accordingly- pretty simple things to do. but as Muslims and the rest of mankind- life is actually a test.

So,  with you ranting like , actually you are, indeed you are actually   like a 5 year-old -  who just found out that cuttlefish is infact belongs to the mollusc family, or a bat belongs to rodents family -  displaying the thought of a 5 year old , because religion is abstract - it requires higher order thinking and only a child  who passed the formal operational stage can evaluate his / her own thinking - the metacognitive ability.so , you just showing me that you are somewhat ,arrested at a stage lower than object permanence -thinking level .

so, religion can only be receptively digested by those having higher  level of thinking i.e they should pass the formal operational state .If you are still asking the silly questions with the aim to  mock  people  ; and you yourself do not appear to me as a guy who shows  genuine initiave to learn as to why do they see relegion or islam in such and such a way - and you did not know that there is a thing called 'world view ',  i doubt whether you had reached  the preoperational stage or  let aloe more basic stage   preceded that - even before OBJECT PERMANENCE stage  - tak faham ni mmg you are acting like the one you have written -just like 0 year old.

u tak tahu ke yg subject like religion and falsafah tu - level tu dirungkai dibincang oleh ilmuwan , so sorry lah your sarcasm is pretty imprudent to be used in this context.

mbhcsf

SoalanSaya posted on 3-11-2014 07:09 PM
see. ramalanku benar belaka. mereke cuma beri jawapan dalam bentuk format fantasi dan anak2 kecil um ...

if you 'd go  for emprical or behaviorism kind of view , you are still wrong though. It does not mean that  the entities  that   we cannot or unable  to measure equal to non existent.

banyak concept biology of psychology jadi mangsa akibat dominasi  behaviorism. ada benda yg kita tahu ia wujud tapi tak dapat disukat atau dilihat.

SoalanSaya

mbhcsf posted on 4-11-2014 03:33 AM
pertama  awak salah  sebab

a child of 5 years  can only begin to mentally  manipulate objects a ...

Wow! Splendid! you're such an educated person! (that's what you want me to say about you, don't you?) But what's the point of speaking in English while the person you speak with is just an ordinary Malay? That's shows how real muslims are. Yes, the arrogance. is this how real muslims acts on their daily life? Show off? No humble AT ALL? Or you just realized who I am? Congratulations ya Ustaz, but i don't care!

And still, just like every typical muslims, no matter what language they are using, still every arguments they made are never make any sense. "Islam is complex, God is a greatest creator of all things." But no complex explanation about it, you just believe on what been told to you blindly atau dalam bahasa melayunya "percaya bulat2" apa yg tertulis atau disampaikan dalam islam. Percaya bulat2 then tutup mata hati, Kalau macam tu, aku akan katakan bahawa tahi tu dijadikan dari tanah liat, pastu kau percaya bulat2 (contoh) kemudian tutup mata hati untuk cari kebenaran dan logistik macam mana sebenarnya tahi tu tercipta dari tanah liat, dan sebarkannya dalam internet konon itu kebenaran tentang kejadian seketul tahi tanpa sebarang penjelasan yang munasabah. senang kan? tapi masih, aku tahu kau tetap takkan faham sebab matahati kau sudah tertutup.

Sorry sir. There is no necessity to seek for forgiveness whatsoever. Enjoy your life. yang mati muka keluar ulat konon tu semua sebab ko ade menuntut ilmu sesat. Siapa suruh masa hidup bela makhluk halus. But i still agree that we just need to believe in religion to prevent humanity from doing a chaos to our lovely earth. we called it as fitrah manusia. biar mereka takut buat jenayah. aku pun takut orang bodoh jadi atheist, bila golongan bodoh ni jadi atheist, diorang jadi berani untuk lakukan jenayah. oh yeah, but the dajjal. fk 'em.

Anyway, pardon me for my English. kejap lagi cantas kredit aku sebab kononnya 'menghina' padahal sakit hati.

mbhcsf

SoalanSaya posted on 4-11-2014 08:29 PM
Wow! Splendid! you're such an educated person! (that's what you want me to say about you, don't yo ...

dear all

see this :

Wow! Splendid! you're such an educated person! (that's what you want me to say about you, don't you?) But what's the point of speaking in English while the person you speak with is just an ordinary Malay? That's shows how real muslims are. Yes, the arrogance. is this how real muslims acts on their daily life? Show off? No humble AT ALL? Or you just realized who I am? Congratulations ya Ustaz, but i don't care!

i think i islam - syak is a sin and harbouring ill impression on people at face value is not pretty islamic
so u guys - this is not permissible in Islam .  nope nope -no good.
what is clever - the author tends to generalise something that is so untrue, based on prejudice


adakan unsur prejudice - terhadap islam - nampak kan dari posting dia?
u can see that the prejudice comes first - again proving that you are here not to genuinely learn or even take the opportunity to learn something but just prattle. Ramblings .
haa clever laa tu ( puji sikit ....hehehe )

And still, just like every typical muslims, no matter what language they are using, still every arguments they made are never make any sense.

again - another clause of prejudice. Did the author try to show any intitiative to even learn about Muslims world view? nope
but  his saving grace is to generalise and making gibberish statement ( clever laa tu puji sikitt......hahahah)

"Islam is complex, God is a greatest creator of all things." But no complex explanation about it, you just believe on what been told to you blindly atau dalam bahasa melayunya "percaya bulat2" apa yg tertulis atau disampaikan dalam islam. Percaya bulat2 then tutup mata hati, Kalau macam tu, aku akan katakan bahawa tahi tu dijadikan dari tanah liat, pastu kau percaya bulat2 (contoh) kemudian tutup mata hati untuk cari kebenaran dan logistik macam mana sebenarnya tahi tu tercipta dari tanah liat, dan sebarkannya dalam internet konon itu kebenaran tentang kejadian seketul tahi tanpa sebarang penjelasan yang munasabah. senang kan? tapi masih, aku tahu kau tetap takkan faham sebab matahati kau sudah tertutup.

again, cer tengok sejarah org yg revert to Muslim - apa depa buat - depa grab Quran , read it  and trying to understand it and seek advice from imam and they are genuinely asking the right questions - where are you ALLAH? what are the signs that you EXIST?

so - u see - the paragraph above is written by a person harbouring such a very  strong negative sentiment about islam - again i am asking did he show any signs or initiatives  to challenge his 1 -yearr - old thought ? no , as i said - he couldn't possibly be reaching the 'object permanence ' state of cognitive development - that is pretty important milestone in cognition - if he but know ( hahaha  puji lah dia jugak  hehehe)
and i think you kinda having a form of arrested development  on that very bit ( i think )

okay you guys - let me ask you

zaman Rasulullah SAW - arak yakni alcohol yakni yg mengandung i formula kimia C2H5OH - ethyl alcohol ( ethanol ) kan- secara berperingkat peringkat diharamkan sebab benda yg memabukkan itu adalah haram ( melainkan dadah yg digunakan untuk tujuan perubatan ada konkrit reason) so we have seen that alcohol was gardually  prohibited . And it is haram - as in benda yg memabukkan adalah haram ( alcohol ya yg memabukkan  - yg mati tu mmg tak boleh makan pun itu methanol )

so - during Prophet Muhammad SAW 's time - did the followers come to him and say : O  dear Muhammad gimme the pathological evident that  alcohol ( yess imagine ya thattime if a person could ask him this ) could lead to liver pathology ( alcoholic liver disease? )
any pathological evident  o Muhammad ????

or

or they say : we heard and we obey ?  because - the person who is the messenger of ALLAH never lies - how could he be a liar nauzubillah - he is the AL AMIN. He was endowed with certain characters, the 'must have' attributes given to the prophets  ( as Muslims we know this sifat wajib bagi rasul - so now belek lah buku balik 4 sifat utama itu )

so the followers at that time obediently follow - because of faith - just because, so what? what is so wrong with that ? they are not imprudent !! hardly , why? because they truly believe in ALLAh and whatever good that comes with it ( mmg pun bagus  dan ada kebaikan)

so what is so wrong to have the  thing called -  faith ? it is a good and brilliant faith - believing in ALLAH,  His messenger and the Quran. ( this is part of rukun iman - 6 pillars of faith )

so now here we are in 21 st century - proving what is initially prohibited by ALLAH is soooooo true soo strue
gambling , fornication - yes?

because it has something to do with the reward centre ( learning about reward in the brain ) and limbic system in the brain
only now we could decipher the hikmah / wisdom behind the initially prescribed rules . thsi part of brain actually plays important role in the studies of addiction. yup...sekarang baru terhegeh manusia nak belajar di Barat , in the west of course.


so if a person who has been living in this world for like 20 years - 30 years ?? is telling  me about empirically based philosophy  - believe only what is measurable and demonstrable ? seeing is 'believing' goshhh , what have you done in the past 20 years of your life , then?

well...i would say . sorry mate -  there is a religion which dictates the best  way  to lead your life since more than 1436 Hijri / years ago  far ahead of your time -  this religion thru the hikmah given by ALLAH SWT, Quran, the prophet's SAW teachings  are - telling me how sensible and brilliant the Creator is

so u  by just being HIS mere servant - why should i be willing to admire your wisdom in seeking the truth ???u are only decades old!!
where is the sense in that, kan?

posting you banyak je prejudis dan melayan manusia macam you  okay  je.

may ALLAH guides whom he wills

Sorry sir. There is no necessity to seek for forgiveness whatsoever. Enjoy your life.

well... i am so sorry that  you are sorry

yang mati muka keluar ulat konon tu semua sebab ko ade menuntut ilmu sesat. Siapa suruh masa hidup bela makhluk halus.

dah pulak ...kata 'sapa suruh' - well now i nak tanya logically kalau dah tulis sapa suruh kan ada unsur : sapa YANG LARANG untuk bela makhluk tu semua ? hmmmm?????

now-think...think..logically ...sapa suruh ??? then SAPA Yg larang , bagaimana awak pula boleh tulis : siapa suruh ?

Sapa pun tak suruh malah haram pun tuntut ilmu sihir ni

But i still agree that we just need to believe in religion to prevent humanity from doing a chaos to our lovely earth.

then you agreed that human needs to be subjected to certain rules and regulation - what is right ? what makes certain things seemed right ?  kan?

haaa tu boleh pulak  tanya yg  end point question , but the preceded question that you need to seek the answer - WHO dictates what is good and bad ? dari mana ?
tapi pangkal tak nak ingin kenal

we called it as fitrah manusia.

tahu pulak fitrah - macam mana fitrah tu - boleh bukti tak ? kalau ada fitrah macam mana pulak ruh ?mana bukti ? kalau ruh  ada mana akal ?
ada bukti ?

manusia - apa asas yg ALLAH bagi jadi dalam manusia yg asal dari tanah ?

biar mereka takut buat jenayah.

fear learning is indeed very interesting - kenapa perlu takut buat jenayah kalau tak ada ( ikut logik you ) siapa yg dictate what is right or wrong ?  kalau human nature dia kata mabuklah , minumlah sampai mabuk keinginan nak rasa mabuk ...nak zina etc etc sapa larang , kan so zinalah reramai - dapat STDs  ...

so sapa in the first place SAFE GUARDED humans from destroying or engaging in  risky behaviours knowing that  humans are readily endowed with nafsu...akal... hmmmm?

aku pun takut orang bodoh jadi atheist, bila golongan bodoh ni jadi atheist, diorang jadi berani untuk lakukan jenayah. oh yeah, but the dajjal. fk 'em.

ni celaru  la pulak, siapa bodoh atau siapa jahil ? ada yg scientist tapi jahil ....

ler tahu pun kalau tak ada 'sesuatu; yg nak kawal dsire / nafs akan berlaku jenayah  tapi tak nak ngaku sistem nilai yg benar

then mai pulak dajjal al masih.yang ni mmg wujud akhir zaman.

seee? muddled, troubled thinking


semoga Allah memberikan kita semua hidayah.
dan tidak membolak balik hati...takut ni.

amin.

nelayan

SoalanSaya posted on 3-11-2014 07:09 PM
see. ramalanku benar belaka. mereke cuma beri jawapan dalam bentuk format fantasi dan anak2 kecil um ...

sampaikan kita sendiri tak boleh berfikir dan fikiran mcm budak2 pun kita xsedar.

BISMILLAH

skrg ni mmg masih ramai yg tak sedar nanti bila dah kena talqin baru kita semua sedar

WALLAHU'ALAM

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم

الَّذِينَ يُحْشَرُونَ عَلَى وُجُوهِهِمْ إِلَى جَهَنَّمَ أُوْلَئِكَ شَرٌّ مَّكَاناً وَأَضَلُّ سَبِيلاً

صدقالله العظيم

mbhcsf

nelayan posted on 4-11-2014 10:44 PM
BISMILLAH

skrg ni mmg masih ramai yg tak sedar nanti bila dah kena talqin baru kita semua sedar ...

well .. dia mungkin sedaq bila nyawa kat halkum , masa tu it is  too lateeee....

dinsmann

mbhcsf posted on 4-11-2014 11:54 PM
well .. dia mungkin sedaq bila nyawa kat halkum , masa tu it is  too lateeee....

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mbhcsf

dinsmann posted on 5-11-2014 12:10 AM
mempunyai kefahaman ada yg lin boleh mebjadipelindung atau wali adalah menyekutukan ALLAH. JELAS B ...

ape bende ni cekkk....

orangbesi

SoalanSaya posted on 3-11-2014 07:09 PM
see. ramalanku benar belaka. mereke cuma beri jawapan dalam bentuk format fantasi dan anak2 kecil um ...

hang dah try ke atau belum lagi

cerita jeeee......tarak syok maaaaaa

elle_april

SoalanSaya posted on 4-11-2014 08:29 PM
Wow! Splendid! you're such an educated person! (that's what you want me to say about you, don't yo ...

Pakai english pun salah ke lol sungguh cetek otak pemikiran

SoalanSaya

mbhcsf posted on 4-11-2014 09:25 PM
dear all

see this :

Dan dengan sengajanya pun kau kasi soalan yang putar2 belit sampai susah untuk ditafsirkan akal and pura2 tak faham, maka anggapan kau bahawa otak aku akan termasuk dalam fasa minda bawah sedar, dan bila akal ditafsirkan dalam keadaan bawah sedar serta dalam keadaan keliru atau tergamam disebabkan soalan kau yg pelik2, kemudian masa tu dgn kelirunya aku akan 'tunduk' dan bersetuju dgn soalan kau. sama macam hipnosis method, unconscious dan conscious. bila seseorang yg memandu laju kemudian ditangkap oleh penguatkuasa dan dikenakan saman, pesalah gunakan method ni utk lepaskan diri dari ditangkap dgn buat si penguatkuasa tu tergamam dan keliru dgn percakapannya, kemudian berlalu pergi dgn membiarkan penguatkuasa tadi masih dalam fasa kebingungan dan bawah sedar. bila dah jauh kena tinggal, baru penguatkuasa tu sedar yg dia dah kena kencing sekencingnya. hehe.. betul tak? but sorry, kat orang lain boleh la u nak buat camtu, but it doesn't work for me. i've mastered this already. Old school is just old school.

SoalanSaya

orangbesi posted on 5-11-2014 02:15 PM
hang dah try ke atau belum lagi

cerita jeeee......tarak syok maaaaaa

nak cerita yg cemana tu?  hehe..

SoalanSaya

nelayan posted on 5-11-2014 06:57 PM
BISMILLAH

maruah/harga diri manusia ni tak sama

Sedangkan orang Kristian pun ada yang mati tersenyum, beragama Buddha pun ada, kenapa Allah pelihara orang kafir sedangkan mereka akan sah ke neraka? Jelas ia hanya dilindungi kuasa ghaib yang kita tuntut semasa hayat. (bukan Tuhan)

nelayan

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم

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57:20

صدق الله العظيم

mbhcsf

SoalanSaya posted on 5-11-2014 09:45 PM
Dan dengan sengajanya pun kau kasi soalan yang putar2 belit sampai susah untuk ditafsirkan akal an ...

no simply to show that you have muddled, troubled thinking

and with this post pun i let the readers judged

apa i kisah you ada mastery of thinking skills

u tak boleh  sanggah hujah i pun

setakt ni jee u boleh kan? hehe

okay je thinking macam  you ni...typical ( tak lah novel sangat pun )

soalan i putar belit ?

ala bagi org yg tak kuasai ilmu depa anggap i putar beli t tapi bagi depa yg ada masters level depa boleh jawab nyer

as i said  org yg boleh nilai agama dan boleh appreaciate agama  ialah org yg dah develop high ordr thinking

u tak boleh defensive dan mengelak
it tells a lot about your conscious and subconscious.

okay je org macam you ni

u ingat kitaorg tak encounter soalan macam u ni ke tu  thread perang suci ke ape tu dah penuh...

u pun bukan sampai tahap ilmu imam al ghazali sampai boleh menempelak  ir rushdi  tentang hal keqadiman alam ni pun

alahai

orang macam awak - hanya pikiaq nak jidal atau debat sebab nak tengok sapa 'tunduk' see? u sendiri tulis macam tu
u kisah sapa menang walhal dalam islam jidal / debat ialah untuk prove kebenaran

sebab tu posting u banyak u mulakan dengan unsur psychoemotive andaian theory of mind yg akan buat you fikir  i tulis ni nak buat you tunduk blabla

sedangkan - i bagi u facts

i argue :

a) adakah mempunyai  kepercayaan yakni canag keimanan itu salah
b) i challenge your laid believe yg seeing is believing tu is indeed wrong  - in some context it may not hold true
c) i tunjukkan kat you dalam konteks islam dan iman serta ihsan - betapa faedahnya percaya atau ada benda bernama iman


see?

i lari topik tak?

well..itulah u umur berape nak challnege kamullah atau benda yg diwahyukan kepada rasullah saw sejak 14 36  tahun lepas

mana boleh 'tak tunduk' kan?

dan bila u nak tunjuk u ni ada prejudged or already laid believe - why bother asking the question? ini jugak lebih menunjukkan level sejauh mana keikhlasan you, tak ada initiative pun.

see? benda ni u yg manifested sendiri through your writing.

haha